Major Backbreaker Patch in the Works

[SIM RULES]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

So you're saying having more choices for camera angles is a bad thing and selfish? In any other game on the market it's the opposite. I understand the need to defend the game, but come on.

Nope, I am saying changing the camera to appease the other game fanboys is bad. It takes away from the unique experience that this game offers, and what separates it from the other game. Improving upon the current camera, and providing more options based upon that is cool.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Juggernaut XX

LOL. Please explain how their passing system is not more realistic than the other game? Your funny, thanks for the laugh. I am looking forward to the patch, and I hope that you are too.

You mean other than not being able to read the safeties and then going directly to whatever target coverage dicates for that play? You mean other than lack of depth perception? You mean other than having to cycle through your recievers in a strict linear order?

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by SIM RULES

Nope, I am saying changing the camera to appease the other game fanboys is bad. It takes away from the unique experience that this game offers, and what separates it from the other game. Improving upon the current camera, and providing more options based upon that is cool.

There's a difference between change and addition. But I see no way anyone in their right mind can argue against options. Any other sports game known to man, would get and usually does get hammered by the fans for having one camera option. This game is not good enough to warrant exception from that.

I am not sure what fanboys have to do with it, other than to muddy the waters in an attempt to prove a point.

[eagskerfan]

I understand they want a unique eperience for the camera view, but at the same time, they need to deliver what the customer wants, and if they had a way where you could move the camera back as in traditional games, they would sell more. I wonder if they have the camera real close up to hide some of the problems that may lie elsewhere in the game?

Either way, I still play the game, and am excited for the patch to come out. It's almost like getting a free sequal!!!

[SIM RULES]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

9 times out of 10 your first read in your drop is the safeties. Watch the safeties and more often than not you know coverage and you know where coverage is going to dictate where you are going to throw to. Simple example. Let's say I am running a play that has my X running a dig, and my Z running a post. I drop back and see the defense is 3 deep coverage. My read is the FS. If he jumps the dig, I am going to the post. If he drops gains depth so as to stay on top of the post, I am going to the dig. You generally aren't looking at your WR's first. You read safety, they give away the coverage most of the time, then you make your reads from there and throw the ball where coverage dictates you throw. Simplistic example, but I think you get the point.

I understand what you are trying to convey, but I have a different opinion. 9 out of 10 times is not accurate at all IMO. The only time you are looking off the safeties is if you are throwing the ball over approx. 10+ yards down the field. Anything under that, the safeties are not a threat. Your threats would be a DB in zone coverage, or a LB. I have never seen a safety intercept a 5 yard out route, or a TE quick slant (in or out). Most throws are not over 10 yards every play.

Grant it, sometimes the safties are up close depending on the defense called. But most of the time, especially against offensive formations with three or more receivers, they are deep. So I would say that they look them off more like 4-5 out of 10 times. Depending on the depth of the route. Why would he look off a safety on a quick slant, or a 5 yard out? So if you have two receivers running deep routes, and one running an underneath route, a safety would only be a threat if he is in man coverage. Then looking him off would be a moot point. Do you get my point?

[bkrich83]

Maybe our experience levels are different. Looking at the safeties basically shows you what coverage they are in. From there you throw the ball where coverage dictates. There are exceptions obviously, usually in the 3 step passing game.

In my experience it is like 9 out of 10 times where you look safety first then go from there.

[SIM RULES]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

There's a difference between change and addition. But I see no way anyone in their right mind can argue against options. Any other sports game known to man, would get and usually does get hammered by the fans for having one camera option. This game is not good enough to warrant exception from that. I am not sure what fanboys have to do with it, other than to muddy the waters in an attempt to prove a point.

The waters have been muddy since the debate started, and you have contributed to that. You can attempt to sound innocent, but anyone that have read your posts know better then that. You are advocating that this games very first attempt should be equal to other games that have been around for 10-20 years. I wonder how many options were introduced with its predecessors first attempts. I am sure that they will expand upon camera views in the future (that's called evolution). As for now, I applaud their effort of trying to introduce something new and innovative.

Now some of us are documented other game fans, I am simply a fan of football.

[Charleston_Tiger]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Oh please. It's about preference, has nothign to do with making the game easier. WHy is it whenever someone wants to make a change for something they don't like about this game, someone like you comes along and talks down to them as if they are somehow less of a player because of their preference. And this angle being more "realistic" is a matter of opinion and definitely arguable at best.

Its not very arguable... you are making it that way but it is not.

There are problems with the Backbreaker passing Cam. It needs to be moved back a TOUCH and needs to be raised a little, but it being more realistic than a Blimp view is not really debatable.

Being able to see the entire field makes passing in other games a joke.

Please explain to me how having a Blimp or Broadcast cam does a good job of realistically SIMULATING the position of QB?