Major Backbreaker Patch in the Works

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by RaiderKtulu

So why then? If it's not about the difficulty, or lack thereof, why? Or is this one of those "I just do" things that we aren't supposed to question?

What part of "a matter of preference" do you not understand. For me it's simply preference. I don't find the game mechanic nor that angle any more realistic nor enjoyable. It's that simple. The lack of depth perception, and being forced to lock on to recievers instead of being able to read the safeties kills it for me.

I am not sure why preference based on opinion is that difficult for you to understand. It's a pretty basic principle.

[Blzer]

Well, here's the thing, and this is what bkrich83 is trying to point out, which I wholeheartedly agree with...

The Backbreaker developers have created a Gears of War kind of fantasy with their camera in the football game that does not give us any sense of periphery, and I throw that word around often not to sound smart, but because that is the correct word to use. Yes, my TV has a 16:9 aspect ratio so I'm salvaged only slightly, but otherwise when combined with the terrible O-Line play, I am nearly obliged every time out to throw to my first receiver regardless. I think this is also a huge cause in many interceptions because that receiver tends to not always be the go-to guy.

In a "God mode" camera style, yes we have more ability to see what's going on because of the aerial view and our ability to see our blind sides as well. But we still have to see every receiver one-by-one in order to make a choice of who to throw to. Plus, now scrambling is possible because we can still look upfield and throw on the run. I'm not saying this stuff needs to be toned down so that we can make these Madden-like passes all of the time, I'm just strictly speaking about what is finally within the realm of possibility. Distinguishing between what is possible and what is probable in football games tends to be the hardest challenge that developers face.

Now, what if they give us a camera that is really only slightly further back (really not much at all), maybe even a head higher, and they give us a fish-eye peripheral view on the sides of the screen, maybe a little bit out of focus, so that we have a slightly better read of everything around us? Heck, even in Gears of War if there is gunfire on the right, there will be a meter that tells us so. Let's have that, too. If there are footsteps out of our vision, we need a threat meter to aware us of it (maybe some QB's have better attributes than others and it is less prevalent while in Focus mode).

Another great alternate control scheme would be kind of like the Madden passing cone, but down on the field. So like I said, keep that camera angle I was just talking about, and instead of using the right stick to run through the receiver progression, use it to rotate left and right. The face buttons et. al will be what your receivers are mapped to, and when you use Focus mode then you can run the progression if you'd like (it will focus on your receiver that leads it first). It obviously won't be too slow-moving because hey, you're a QB and realistically you can look from one side of the field to the other in "the blink of an eye" by doing an eye scan. That's why I think the peripheral vision is important (but for some sort of difficulty, again, maybe the distortion is needed). But I think doing something like this would be good because now you can pan and scan around the field not just for receivers, but also for whomever is trying to sack you. This would obviously be an alternative to what is already implemented, but I think it would be very useful.

The only place where I will have to draw the line is when you speak of preference. I, too, probably prefer the old way of playing in a God mode (at least for passing), but this intuitiveness is just so awesome for me that I don't think I would give it up, especially with the time they took making it. And that's just the thing... this game was made with this intention. It's kind of like how a movie is made with the intent of watching it in 3D or something, or black and white. Sure we will prefer something else perhaps, but if that is what we are forced to do then we can't say otherwise, and if we want to see a movie in 2D and color we will have to find another one. Unfortunately that's just how it is.

Anyway, as Backbreaker currently stands it is one of the most fun, frustrating games I've ever owned. A patch will make some fixes, but it will not overhaul the game or create an entire new QB passing system as far as I'm concerned. If they want to make serious improvements, they will have to seriously consider making a Backbreaker 2 and they will have to take another two years to do so. Some of their additions simply can't come in a year long cycle; I have dozens of sports franchises for proof of that statement.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

Now, what if they give us a camera that is really only slightly further back (really not much at all), maybe even a head higher, and they give us a fish-eye peripheral view on the sides of the screen, maybe a little bit out of focus, so that we have a slightly better read of everything around us? Heck, even in Gears of War if there is gunfire on the right, there will be a meter that tells us so. Let's have that, too. If there are footsteps out of our vision, we need a threat meter to aware us of it (maybe some QB's have better attributes than others and it is less prevalent while in Focus mode). Another great alternate control scheme would be kind of like the Madden passing cone, but down on the field. So like I said, keep that camera angle I was just talking about, and instead of using the right stick to run through the receiver progression, use it to rotate left and right. The face buttons et. al will be what your receivers are mapped to, and when you use Focus mode then you can run the progression if you'd like (it will focus on your receiver that leads it first). It obviously won't be too slow-moving because hey, you're a QB and realistically you can look from one side of the field to the other in "the blink of an eye" by doing an eye scan. That's why I think the peripheral vision is important (but for some sort of difficulty, again, maybe the distortion is needed). But I think doing something like this would be good because now you can pan and scan around the field not just for receivers, but also for whomever is trying to sack you. This would obviously be an alternative to what is already implemented, but I think it would be very useful. The only place where I will have to draw the line is when you speak of preference. I, too, probably prefer the old way of playing in a God mode (at least for passing), but this intuitiveness is just so awesome for me that I don't think I would give it up, especially with the time they took making it. And that's just the thing... this game was made with this intention. It's kind of like how a movie is made with the intent of watching it in 3D or something, or black and white. Sure we will prefer something else perhaps, but if that is what we are forced to do then we can't say otherwise, and if we want to see a movie in 2D and color we will have to find another one. Unfortunately that's just how it is. Anyway, as Backbreaker currently stands it is one of the most fun, frustrating games I've ever owned. A patch will make some fixes, but it will not overhaul the game or create an entire new QB passing system as far as I'm concerned. If they want to make serious improvements, they will have to seriously consider making a Backbreaker 2 and they will have to take another two years to do so. Some of their additions simply can't come in a year long cycle; I have dozens of sports franchises for proof of that statement.

Thats sounds a lot like this.

http://forum.backbreakergame.com/showthread.php?t=7972

Call that camera C.

[Juggernaut XX]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

I don't think sensory deprivation in the name of "realism" is any better. It's a matter of preference, but it has nothing to do with ease. I see why people would think it's current form of camera is more realistic. It's definitely more of a challenge. But I don't need a challenge strictly for the sake of a challenge. Camera A, gives no depth perception.. Also that innate feel of what is going on around you in the pocket is gone. And please, realism? In real life I can go from one receiver to another in no particular order in a blink of an eye. I don't have to cycle individually one at a time at a snails pace in a linear order. Not to mention I hate being locked on to a WR. If I want to read coverage, I am looking at the safeties first then advancing to my receivers. This cam and mechanic makes that impossible. That would be another knock on realism. Although 90% of the people who scream realism, wouldn't know true realism if it bit them in the face. If you like the first camera, that's great. But the whole you only like the newer camera because it's easier, and don't want "realism" talking down is not only old, but it's inaccurate and lame.

LOL. Some of us have probably played more football on the field, than you have watched on TV. I scream realism based on the fact that I have seen it first hand for many, many years. For someone like you to even speak about realism is a joke to me.

Anyway, the fact that their passing system represents more realism than any other current game, is indisputable. If you hate it so much, you have every right to go and play the other games. That is the beauty of having a choice. Based on your posts, you really have a lot to learn about football.

[Juggernaut XX]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Oh please. It's about preference, has nothign to do with making the game easier. WHy is it whenever someone wants to make a change for something they don't like about this game, someone like you comes along and talks down to them as if they are somehow less of a player because of their preference. And this angle being more "realistic" is a matter of opinion and definitely arguable at best.

LOL. Please explain how their passing system is not more realistic than the other game? Your funny, thanks for the laugh. I am looking forward to the patch, and I hope that you are too.

[xxxdisciplexxx]

Everywhere you go you see these BB camera supporters crying over the mention of change followed by insults on your lack of football knowledge and then the THIS IS REAL FOOTBALL & YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Go on the forums over there and you will see. Its to bad people on this forum are taking the same approach. The game needs work and BB 2 will be an even worse flop if action isn't taken soon. I said this was going to happen on the BB forums(names Make or Break)and i was bashed. Well look what happened. This game needs another camera option or a noticeable change on the current one. To the people who disagree you are to few and are the lower percentage here. Manny people passed on the game after all the blindside tackles. If the devs are smart they will make more of a change. If they don't... lol its almost over. Stop crying over change because more people will buy the game and that is only going to bring in more BB support. So to the people bashing another option or a change you are going to bring this franchise down before it even gets a chance. Quote me not and see what happens in a few years of the same camera. Support the majority to a degree or go house to house pitching your game!

[cancertoast]

If the patch fixes the majority of the big complaints, I will pick the game up (used of course.)

[wheelman990]

Quote: Originally Posted by xxxdisciplexxx

Everywhere you go you see these BB camera supporters crying over the mention of change followed by insults on your lack of football knowledge and then the THIS IS REAL FOOTBALL & YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Go on the forums over there and you will see. Its to bad people on this forum are taking the same approach. The game needs work and BB 2 will be an even worse flop if action isn't taken soon. I said this was going to happen on the BB forums(names Make or Break)and i was bashed. Well look what happened. This game needs another camera option or a noticeable change on the current one. To the people who disagree you are to few and are the lower percentage here. Manny people passed on the game after all the blindside tackles. If the devs are smart they will make more of a change. If they don't... lol its almost over. Stop crying over change because more people will buy the game and that is only going to bring in more BB support. So to the people bashing another option or a change you are going to bring this franchise down before it even gets a chance. Quote me not and see what happens in a few years of the same camera. Support the majority to a degree or go house to house pitching your game!

These comments arent directed towards anyone specific, just a randon rant:


I couldnt agree more with the above poster. The current BB camera supporters are a HUGE minority. In the BB forum poll, the users have voted for the Madden cam, over the BBcam...and thats just the people that actually visit the BB forum(not much), and havent already forgot about BB completely. Those poll votes are from the BB faithfulls. Imagine if that poll were not on the BB forums, the current cam would have gotten crushed on the poll. Not many at all want it. You cam supporters are a huge minority, and one of the reasons this is always going to be a niche game until its fixed.

I somewhat like the current close cam myself, but it needs redone. The QB camera after snap is hideous. It is in NO WAY realistic at all. When you take a snap as a QB you arent forced to look right or left, and see no center. The camera should have stayed centered, and buttons should have looked right or left(shoulder buttons so you can use the madden icon button passing system easily with it. Using the left stick to look left and right wont work, you cant hold a stick left or right and press a icon button at the same time, its too hard. Try it on your controllers)

If you BB fanboys want to see actual online opponents, a BB2, or BB3, etc.....you might want to rethink the way you post your comments. It really makes people less interested in following Backbreaker progress.I was a huge supporter in the begining, and after having to read so many of you BB supporters crying on leaving the current cam alone, I stopped visiting BB forums. Its a waste of time.

If you prefer the close cam great, but to act like it cant be changed for the majority to like it, is insane. Speciallly if they keep the option of the close cam in the game.

You cry for more options in sports games, until its a option you dont want personally. Very sad.