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It is a new week here at Operation Sports and we are creeping up on the release of the two major baseball titles.  This week we have four staff members checking into the fact or fiction roundtable and answering some important questions for this week.  Is MVP 05 the best baseball game ever or will MLB 09: The Show surpass it this year? Is EA or Take Two going to be bought out in 2009's weak economy?  Check out their thoughts on these issues and a few more in this week's fact or fiction.


Is MLB '09: The Show set to be the greatest baseball game ever?

MLB '09: The Show will be the best baseball game ever made.

Jack Hoeffel - Fact. MLB 08: The Show was the best baseball game last year, and the SCE San Diego team has only improved on past successes. With a much deeper franchise mode, tightened gameplay and a ridiculous amount detail, MLB 09: The Show looks to further separate itself from the crowd. Based on the early build available in the demo, it appears to be a must-buy for all baseball fans, or at least those with a Playstation 3.

Caley Roark - Fact. MLB 08 practically sold me on a PS3, and I was not disappointed. I loved the atmosphere, gameplay and franchise options; all of those look to be upgraded in some way this year. At this point, MLB's only competition is a modded MVP 05. Out of the box, MLB 09 should blow everything away.

Christian McLeod - Fiction. While MLB 09: The Show will be a fantastic baseball game, it will still pale in comparison to MVP 05. MVP 05 is still superior in the areas of ball physics, fielding, throwing and baserunning, at least based on my time with the MLB 09 demo. It is not that MLB 09 is bad by any means, it is just that MVP 05 set the bar incredibly high. Is MLB 09 going to be the best baseball game ever released on the current wave of consoles? Yes. Is it going to be the best ever? No.

Ray Delizo - Fact. The amount of detail available in MLB 09: The Show is staggering. The guys at SCE San Diego have done a wonderful job year in and year out with Sony's baseball franchise. The franchise mode is chock full of options to keep even the most avid baseball fan occupied, the gameplay is solid, and the atmosphere and commentary are top notch. Plus, Road To the Show has been a staple over the last several years, offering fans just another way to play the game.


Pepsi ads aside, MLB 2K9 looks to be much improved.

MLB 2K9 will definitely be a big improvement over last year.

Jack Hoeffel - Fact. From what I have seen from Steve's early gameplay videos, it appears that Visual Concepts has greatly improved on the disaster that was MLB 2K8. The real-time world, which was highly touted in the feature list, looks to be just as good as promised, and I believe it will take MLB 2K9's presentation to the next level. Finally, it appears that baseball fans may have two great baseball games to choose from.

Caley Roark - Fact. The videos make MLB 2K look pretty good, especially the "live" presentation and new commentators. Assuming the glitches that have plagued the series in the past are gone, the tweaks to the existing gameplay may raise the overall quality of this game.

Christian McLeod - Fact. MLB 2K8 was flat out unplayable for me last year. That game alone led me to purchase a PS3 just to play a solid baseball title in '08. Based on the gameplay videos I have seen on the Net, I would have to say I am pretty impressed. Gameplay as a whole looks to be vastly improved over 2K8 (e.g. steady frame rate), and the overall look of the game could lead to some serious playtime for those who love baseball and only own a 360. I would go as far as saying that I may pick up 2K9 to play with all my 360 buddies online, and then stick with MLB 09 for my dynasty and Road To the Show needs.

Ray Delizo - Fact. After the disastrous year Take Two and 2K Sports had with MLB 2K8, the franchise is looking like it could rebound and be a baseball game that is better in terms of overall quality. By simplifying the controls and concentrating on addressing areas where the game fell short last year, there is a chance that MLB 2K9 will be closer to what fans who only own a 360 want in a baseball game. That is not to say that MLB 09: The Show's hold as the best baseball game will be threatened any time soon, no. But I do see MLB 2K9 improving this year.


Would MVP be like the Rays or the Yankees of last year?


If EA Sports was still making MVP Baseball, it would be as good as MLB 09: The Show is today.

Jack Hoeffel - Fact. MVP Baseball 2005 was the best baseball game available for many years. It had great graphics for its time, incredibly solid gameplay and a deep stat system. If Take Two had not bought exclusive third-party rights to Major League Baseball, it is very possible that MVP Baseball 2009 would be as good if not better than MLB 09: The Show.

Caley Roark - Fiction. After watching how EA has handled Madden's transition to the current-generation consoles, I do not have too much confidence in what MVP would have become. I loved MVP 05 (and still play it occasionally), but I imagine that the features that made that game great would have been dropped and then touted as new features later on.

Christian McLeod - Fact. When the MLB license was sold to Take Two, MVP was on the brink of total gaming greatness. Not only did MVP nail bat-on-ball physics, and just about everything else about the game of baseball, but the developers were able to deliver the best dynasty mode ever. No other game to date has been able to duplicate the accurate player progression, trade A.I. and free agent A.I. that MVP 05 featured. There is something to be said when both games currently on the market generously imitate almost every feature that MVP introduced to the genre -- throwing meters, analog sliding, PIP baserunning, pitching meter, etc. To be perfectly honest, if MVP 05 was given the HD treatment like Street Fighter HD, I think it would sell a million-plus copies.

Ray Delizo - Fact. Despite being one of the unlucky few that has never played MVP 2005, I still have fond memories of firing up my old Xbox and playing MVP 2003 for hours on end. From what I have read and seen of MVP 2005, it was a phenomenal game. Could EA make a MLB game today that would rival or even surpass The Show? If EA still had the MLB license and the MVP series was still around, yes EA could.


Is it EA's turn to go through a possible buyout in 2009?


The economic situation will result in either an EA or TT buyout this year.

Jack Hoeffel - Fiction. Considering how many rumblings there have been in the past regarding a potential buyout of Take Two, I do not believe it will get to a point this year in which the company is forced to accept a buyout. In regards to EA, I believe the company is too obsessed with its own business right now to allow anyone to buy it out. Also, considering that EA is beginning to drop information regarding Madden NFL 10, it seems possible that EA has new ideas for the franchise and is planning to stay independent for a long time.

Caley Roark - Fact. It seems like every month the gaming landscape is changing as one company is bought out by another or collapses altogether. I do not think it is a stretch to say that one of these two companies will go this year. And while EA is powerful, I do not think it is strong enough to outlast the mix of a weakened economy and a more powerful company like Disney.

Christian McLeod - Fiction. I think both TT and EA will survive another year by cutting back on certain projects and focusing on quality titles. In the long run, this is going to help gamers because by cutting the fat, both companies will start to give us the quality, detail-oriented sports games that we have been asking for over the last four years.

Ray Delizo - Fiction. I do not see EA being in trouble any time soon. Madden NFL 10, as well as the new line of EA Sports titles, will keep gamers playing. After all, EA has been an industry stalwart for a reason. As far as Take Two is concerned, I honestly do not know what might happen. My gut feeling is that it will find a way to make it through the economic crisis.


Member Comments
# 1 nemesis04 @ 02/19/09 11:34 AM
It is interesting, with the MVP series being pretty much dated now there are still some components of the game that Sony and 2k are still trying to perfect. Most notably being the fielding, bat on ball physics (hit variety) and use of right stick innovation. It would have been cool to see if EA was still in the mix of making baseball games, what the baseball video game landscape would look like.

As we are here today it looks like we have two very viable choices for 09. With each company giving their own interpretation of the game. I am very happy that each game has some individuality to it and would never want the two offerings copying each other for the sake of just having a particular feature.

A little over a week and we are playing ball guys! Enjoy it!
 
# 2 Azamien @ 02/19/09 11:43 AM
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Christian McLeod - Fiction. While MLB 09: The Show will be a fantastic baseball game, it will still pale in comparison to MVP 05. MVP 05 is still superior in the areas of ball physics, fielding, throwing and baserunning, at least based on my time with the MLB 09 demo.
Wait, what? MVP 05 had to be modded to achieve anything close to realism in any of the areas he mentioned.

I think people are putting MVP on a pedastal that it doesn't quite deserve. Was it good? Yes. Was it the best baseball game at the time? Yes. But come on, it played terribly out of the box, so to say that it's "still superior", especially in those areas (ball physics were a complete joke!), is revisionist history.

What made MVP 05 great was the ability to mod it. Otherwise it was an average title.
 
# 3 NAFBUC @ 02/19/09 11:50 AM
MLB '09: The Show will be the best baseball game ever made.

I would say based on the demo and expecting the release version to be much more polished, yes. The one thing that The Show or 2k baseball titles can improve on is to allow user modding.

User Modding is what allowed High Heat and MVP to keep the game fresh. The Show has started to go that way with the face feature, sliders, roster vault and sound editor. That should be just the starting point. The next step would be to add real time advertising signage, a datafile that can edited on a PC format and the ability to replace player photos.
 
# 4 boomhauertjs @ 02/19/09 11:51 AM
The greatest baseball game ever? High Heat (either 2002 or 2003).
 
# 5 rudyjuly2 @ 02/19/09 11:53 AM
I really enjoyed MVP '05 and that game got me back into buying baseball games every year. But when the Show came out, MVP '05 was quickly relegated to backup status.

I liked the fielding in MVP and really liked the franchise setup with easy depth charts and morale. But MVP (on the PS2 at least) was really flawed in the batter vs. pitcher battle and that is the heart of baseball games. You could never pull any pitch with power on the outer part of the zone. You ALWAYS had to go with pitches and pull inside pitches which isn't realistic. You couldn't get hits on balls out of the zone despite the fact it happens quite often. Pitch speed had zero relevance against the cpu! A 98 mph fastball was no more effective than an 88 mph fastball (makes no sense) and you could paint corners all day in MVP.

MVP '05 was a breath of fresh air for me but I think it's really overrated in terms of its lasting greatness. Just my two cents.
 
# 6 e0820 @ 02/19/09 11:56 AM
I for one enjoy the next gen consoles' crop of baseball games. I also thought MVP 05 was great at the time. Im puzzled as to why people dont suggest EA to bring out a fully customizable next gen version of MVP like they do with 2k's APF.
 
# 7 N51_rob @ 02/19/09 12:20 PM
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Caley Roark - Fiction. After watching how EA has handled Madden's transition to the current-generation consoles, I do not have too much confidence in what MVP would have become. I loved MVP 05 (and still play it occasionally), but I imagine that the features that made that game great would have been dropped and then touted as new features later on.
I think that was spot on. EA has struggled bringing games to next gen. They are finally getting there but it has taken 4 years.
 
# 8 vernond @ 02/19/09 12:31 PM
I'd have to say mvp was the best game to date. I think the show this year will take it over though. I played a lot of Ken Griffey jr on the 64 and All Star Baseball 02 as well. I played a ton of 2k7 but the amount of hr's and hr's robbed at the wall became too much.
 
# 9 ehh @ 02/19/09 12:55 PM
I agree with vernond, though I'm not quite as confident after playing the '09 demo. I thought it was a slam dunk that '09 would take the crown but I need to play the retail version, the hitting system in the demo still really frustrates me and seems the same from '08.

It's just so hard to go to another baseball game after the perfect bat/ball interaction that MVP '05 had. We will see what the '09 retail has in store.
 
# 10 Full_Collapse @ 02/19/09 01:05 PM
MVP 05, in terms of gameplay, was pretty much perfect (as close to perfect as you can get with a sports game - true perfection is virtually impossible). The MLB franchise plays nearly as well and if it has a few adjustments for 09, on top of the franchise mode which will blow MVP 05's franchise mode away, it has a real shot to be better. It's a tall order to top MVP 05 though, it still hasn't been done in my opinion.

Either way, we know we're getting a winner with The Show 09. MVP is gone but we still have a quality baseball game on PS3.
 
# 11 Azamien @ 02/19/09 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Full_Collapse
MVP 05, in terms of gameplay, was pretty much perfect
OK, comments like this are starting to make me wonder if there was a massive difference between the PC version and the console version. I have the PC version, and while it was a good game, it was nowhere near perfect.
 
# 12 theaub @ 02/19/09 01:30 PM
Console MVP '05 gameplay was perfect if you liked to never walk hitters or hit 3-4 HR per game.
 
# 13 Artman22 @ 02/19/09 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ehh
I agree with vernond, though I'm not quite as confident after playing the '09 demo. I thought it was a slam dunk that '09 would take the crown but I need to play the retail version, the hitting system in the demo still really frustrates me and seems the same from '08.

It's just so hard to go to another baseball game after the perfect bat/ball interaction that MVP '05 had. We will see what the '09 retail has in store.
I kinda feel the same way. I still think MVP 05 is best. That's my opinion. I still think the ball physics and hit variety are way better then the show. The show has great things as well. Graphics and presentation are great in the show. MVP's fielding was the best imo.
 
# 14 Knight165 @ 02/19/09 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Azamien
OK, comments like this are starting to make me wonder if there was a massive difference between the PC version and the console version. I have the PC version, and while it was a good game, it was nowhere near perfect.



You weren't wearing these!...
Oh...there is also a High Heat version...
...and a version for EVERY sports game out there.

M.K.
Knight165
 
# 15 Artman22 @ 02/19/09 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight165


You weren't wearing these!...
Oh...there is also a High Heat version...
...and a version for EVERY sports game out there.

M.K.
Knight165
Somebody has to be wearing those because they see things differently then you
 
# 16 ehh @ 02/19/09 01:44 PM
Yeah the notion that MVP '05 had perfect and/or overly realistic gameplay is a bit of a stretch. For those who need realistic pitch counts and walks, MVP definitely wasn't for you. MVP '05 was on the arcade side of the fence to me but insanely fun and realistic enough.
 
# 17 Full_Collapse @ 02/19/09 01:47 PM
Hit varieties and ball physics in MVP 05 were what made it great. Pitch counts and walk totals weren't overly-accurate, for sure, but in terms of gameplay, it's as close to real baseball as I've played.
 
# 18 ehh @ 02/19/09 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes
I think MVP was vastly overrated. It didn't even have signature styles, for crying out loud. Any baseball game without signature styles keeps my attention for 20 minutes or so, tops.
LOL, MVP '05 had sig styles my dude.
 
# 19 Artman22 @ 02/19/09 01:53 PM
The pitching/batter dual is best in the show. The show also give accurate pitch counts as well. It's a beautiful game to look at. I just think the show needs to work on hit varieties imo.
 
# 20 Artman22 @ 02/19/09 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ehh
LOL, MVP '05 had sig styles my dude.
It didn't have a lot but the ones it had were on point.
 

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