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The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.

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Madden has had its fair share of features come and go over its 27 year history.  One beloved Madden & NCAA feature that sadly was lost in the Gen 4 console transition was the ability to save formation specific substitution packages.  Now in Madden NFL 17 it gives me great joy to announce the return of formation substitutions within franchise mode. 

Before explaining how formation subs will work in Madden NFL 17, I want to say THANK You to our community because you truly were the ones who really drove this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

Now for a little back story about formation subs. It was originally a feature that was “out of scope” for Madden NFL 17 (meaning it was not scheduled to make it into the game).  That was until myself and the Madden NFL development team started to take note of all the support the feature was getting from the community.  All of your  and the GameChangers tweets, forum posts, wish lists, and feedback helped the team here at Tiburon know that this was a must have feature if we were serious about making significant changes to improving Franchise mode.  This was the type of feedback that made doing whatever work necessary to get this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

We are excited because the addition of formation subs is an example of our passionate community’s coming together to get a feature into the game.  So to all of you vocal Madden fans out there, please keep up the good work and continue to deliver feedback as you can make tremendous impact on the game.  

Now let’s talk about how the feature actually works. For those that are not familiar with formation subs, a quick high-level definition is that players now have the ability to set & save starters in specific positions based on formation regardless of how the players are sorted in the depth chart.  

Once in Franchise mode, the mechanic works as such:  

  • From the Franchise mode Hub scroll to the Manage Tab and select the My Coach menu.
  • From the My Coach menu Select Formation Subs  
  • The playbooks that load within the formation subs menu are the playbooks that you have set within the schemes section of the My Coach menu.  

  • Once in the Formation Subs menu toggle between offense and defense by simply pressing LB or RB (L1 or R1 on PS4).
  • Selected to edit offense or defense and then simply scroll through the different formations by navigating the L-stick while holding down LT (L2 on PS2).  Scroll over a formation you want to edit and let go of LT and the formation will populate. Then let go of LT they can use the L-stick to scroll through the different sets within the formation they selected.   

  • Next scroll to and highlight the set you want to edit they press the A button (X on PS2) which then allows you to scroll through the players within the selected set.  Then select the player you want to change by pressing the A button (X on PS2) after you've scrolled over and highlighted the player.  
  • From here scroll through the roster of players to choose your replacement.  Pressing the A button (X on PS2) on the selected replacement player subs him in for that formation.   

  • You can also reset a sub made to any given formation by selecting the formation you want to reset by pressing the RT button (R2 on PS4).  
  • When you are done making formation subs simply press B (O on PS4) to back out the formation subs menu and enter game to view your changes.  

Some additional things to keep in mind when using the feature are:

  • Formation subs carry from game to game unless you switch your playbook or resets the formation sub.  
  • You can still make formation subs when in game by using our legacy playcall screen formation sub feature.  This is done by picking plays by formation when at the play call screen by pressing RB when highlighting the formation you want to edit.  

The list of eligible players who can be subbed in at each position from the formation sub menu is:

  • QB = QB, K, P
  • HB = HB, FB
  • FB = FB, HB, TE
  • WR = WR, TE, HB
  • TE = TE, FB, LT, RT, MLB
  • LT = LT, LG, C, RG, RT
  • LG = LG, LT, C, RG, RT
  • C = C, LG, LT, RG, RT
  • RG = RG, RT, C, LG, LT
  • RT = RT, RG, C, LG, LT
  • LE - LE, RE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • RE = RE, LE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • DT = DT, LE, RE
  • LOLB = LOLB, ROLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • ROLB = ROLB, LOLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • MLB = MLB, ROLB, LOLB
  • CB = CB, FS, SS
  • FS = FS, SS, CB
  • SS = SS, FS, CB
  • K = K, P
  • P = P, K

Again, Thank You to the entire Madden Community for your constructive feedback year in and year out.  We look forward to watching you all continue to use your passion to make Madden the best it possibly can be.

Sincerely,

Ryan (RG) Glick 

Associate Game Designer


Member Comments
# 41 vc3616 @ 08/09/16 07:26 PM
Dude am i missing something? alot of you say you can't use WR at HB but it says you can lol


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# 42 StayPlation82 @ 08/09/16 07:27 PM
is WR on the HB list or is HB on the WR list? you are missing it all lol
 
# 43 vc3616 @ 08/09/16 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by StayPlation82
is WR on the HB list or is HB on the WR list? you are missing it all lol
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my bad ok i see it i was looking at it like it was saying WR you can move to HB but its saying you can move HB to WR........yeah thats dumb

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# 44 Tengo Juego @ 08/09/16 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CM Hooe
Another fair point. Without the ability to assign defensive match-ups, I could see this sort of flexibility being a point of frustration and creating exploits.

I still would rather have unlimited flexibility myself, but again, I understand the mindset.
But, that's literally why offenses do these things. To create matchup disadvantages for the defense. Granted, the defense does need to have a matchup option to better handle these situations. But this thing isn't going to exist in ranked h2h where cheesers run rampant. In a controlled CFM, I think it'd be fine.
 
# 45 huskerfan4life @ 08/09/16 07:51 PM
so I was wondering if I wanted to set the formation subs were would I find out how every one of the 32 teams do their subs would it be on nfl.com or would it be someplace else.
 
# 46 steeldee7 @ 08/09/16 07:53 PM
Just glad I can sub packages at all. To me I think the subbing will get more flexible in 18 edition.
 
# 47 Hooe @ 08/09/16 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by huskerfan4life
so I was wondering if I wanted to set the formation subs were would I find out how every one of the 32 teams do their subs would it be on nfl.com or would it be someplace else.
You're looking for snap-count-at-position information, which as far as I know only Pro Football Focus tracks. As such, you'll have to pay money to get that information if you want it.

Football Outsiders might? Maybe? I'm not sure.
 
# 48 BleedGreen710 @ 08/09/16 08:09 PM
if they're worried about people cheesing with formation subs in online leagues they should at least have let people in offline franchises have full customization of formation subs (put any player anywhere you want). im a little bummed I can't put WR at HB and etc.
 
# 49 Black Bruce Wayne @ 08/09/16 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatupu_64
And clearly an attempt to cheese imo. What teams actually do this? Cobb does it on occasion, who else?
No team that I could think of. Teams will occasionally put a WR in and run a sweep or something, but rarely do these plays have success anyway.
 
# 50 RGiles36 @ 08/09/16 08:27 PM
I guess I'm just disconnected from the community these days...

...b/c I don't quite understand how some can be so UP in arms about a feature that didn't even exist (to us) 48 hours ago. It's essentially a bonus feature. How can it be so scrutinized?
 
# 51 N51_rob @ 08/09/16 08:33 PM
Wow, tough crowd in here. This went from a "wait till next year" feature just a couple of months ago to being in the game and I'm seeing so much bitching about the restrictions. *Shrugs* what ever floats your boat I guess but the fact that we even have this in on day 1 seems like a win-win. There is still room for improvement. I am also leery of the bugs that this could introduce in a short dev cycle. I wonder if that is the reason for the restrictions?

Oh well I am happy to see this and will allow me to create a more dangerous Red Zone package with Jordan Reed lined up on smaller CBs outside since Redskins lack height on the outside.
 
# 52 Find_the_Door @ 08/09/16 08:35 PM
Sucks that this isn't in ranked h2h. Wish it wasn't confined to franchise mode.
 
# 53 rkocjay @ 08/09/16 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by vc3616
Dude am i missing something? alot of you say you can't use WR at HB but it says you can lol


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yea i was getting confused on why people was saying this
 
# 54 K_GUN @ 08/09/16 08:43 PM
Glad its back✔️....props EA!


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# 55 BleedGreen710 @ 08/09/16 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rkocjay
yea i was getting confused on why people was saying this
you can sub HB in at WR but not sub a WR in at HB
 
# 56 CrazyBruin12 @ 08/09/16 08:54 PM
So I message RG Madden on Twitter and he said reason why u can't put SS at LB is because, We used the franchise mode depth chart logic to prevent exploits. We hear the feedback about SS at LB etc and will investigate. SO based on what he said they still could put it in the game
 
# 57 darren1024 @ 08/09/16 09:00 PM
Can formation subs be used with "custom" playbooks?
 
# 58 kehlis @ 08/09/16 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darren1024
Can formation subs be used with "custom" playbooks?
We still don't know with certainty one way or the other.
 
# 59 ThatMichiganFan @ 08/09/16 09:26 PM
I'm seeing a lot of complaining, but I want to say thanks to the devs, game changers, and everyone else who made this happen. I was content to wait a year for this, but this makes M17 so much better IMO. Can't wait to come up with some special packages on defense!
 
# 60 lwilkins @ 08/09/16 09:27 PM
Progress has been made, Madden Dev Team does hear us. My not be everything but I'm thankful for these many improvements the Madden Team has done for us.
 


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