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The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.

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Madden has had its fair share of features come and go over its 27 year history.  One beloved Madden & NCAA feature that sadly was lost in the Gen 4 console transition was the ability to save formation specific substitution packages.  Now in Madden NFL 17 it gives me great joy to announce the return of formation substitutions within franchise mode. 

Before explaining how formation subs will work in Madden NFL 17, I want to say THANK You to our community because you truly were the ones who really drove this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

Now for a little back story about formation subs. It was originally a feature that was “out of scope” for Madden NFL 17 (meaning it was not scheduled to make it into the game).  That was until myself and the Madden NFL development team started to take note of all the support the feature was getting from the community.  All of your  and the GameChangers tweets, forum posts, wish lists, and feedback helped the team here at Tiburon know that this was a must have feature if we were serious about making significant changes to improving Franchise mode.  This was the type of feedback that made doing whatever work necessary to get this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

We are excited because the addition of formation subs is an example of our passionate community’s coming together to get a feature into the game.  So to all of you vocal Madden fans out there, please keep up the good work and continue to deliver feedback as you can make tremendous impact on the game.  

Now let’s talk about how the feature actually works. For those that are not familiar with formation subs, a quick high-level definition is that players now have the ability to set & save starters in specific positions based on formation regardless of how the players are sorted in the depth chart.  

Once in Franchise mode, the mechanic works as such:  

  • From the Franchise mode Hub scroll to the Manage Tab and select the My Coach menu.
  • From the My Coach menu Select Formation Subs  
  • The playbooks that load within the formation subs menu are the playbooks that you have set within the schemes section of the My Coach menu.  

  • Once in the Formation Subs menu toggle between offense and defense by simply pressing LB or RB (L1 or R1 on PS4).
  • Selected to edit offense or defense and then simply scroll through the different formations by navigating the L-stick while holding down LT (L2 on PS2).  Scroll over a formation you want to edit and let go of LT and the formation will populate. Then let go of LT they can use the L-stick to scroll through the different sets within the formation they selected.   

  • Next scroll to and highlight the set you want to edit they press the A button (X on PS2) which then allows you to scroll through the players within the selected set.  Then select the player you want to change by pressing the A button (X on PS2) after you've scrolled over and highlighted the player.  
  • From here scroll through the roster of players to choose your replacement.  Pressing the A button (X on PS2) on the selected replacement player subs him in for that formation.   

  • You can also reset a sub made to any given formation by selecting the formation you want to reset by pressing the RT button (R2 on PS4).  
  • When you are done making formation subs simply press B (O on PS4) to back out the formation subs menu and enter game to view your changes.  

Some additional things to keep in mind when using the feature are:

  • Formation subs carry from game to game unless you switch your playbook or resets the formation sub.  
  • You can still make formation subs when in game by using our legacy playcall screen formation sub feature.  This is done by picking plays by formation when at the play call screen by pressing RB when highlighting the formation you want to edit.  

The list of eligible players who can be subbed in at each position from the formation sub menu is:

  • QB = QB, K, P
  • HB = HB, FB
  • FB = FB, HB, TE
  • WR = WR, TE, HB
  • TE = TE, FB, LT, RT, MLB
  • LT = LT, LG, C, RG, RT
  • LG = LG, LT, C, RG, RT
  • C = C, LG, LT, RG, RT
  • RG = RG, RT, C, LG, LT
  • RT = RT, RG, C, LG, LT
  • LE - LE, RE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • RE = RE, LE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • DT = DT, LE, RE
  • LOLB = LOLB, ROLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • ROLB = ROLB, LOLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • MLB = MLB, ROLB, LOLB
  • CB = CB, FS, SS
  • FS = FS, SS, CB
  • SS = SS, FS, CB
  • K = K, P
  • P = P, K

Again, Thank You to the entire Madden Community for your constructive feedback year in and year out.  We look forward to watching you all continue to use your passion to make Madden the best it possibly can be.

Sincerely,

Ryan (RG) Glick 

Associate Game Designer


Member Comments
# 201 scoobyskyline3 @ 08/26/16 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Serloar
I'm super mad that any signing/release/injury gets your Formation subs reset. Especially the special teams ones where I sub almost everyone, because they keep puting starters there...
Is this true??? the devs need to know that asap if so
 
# 202 charlieh78 @ 08/27/16 05:35 PM
I just changed out all my starters on Special Teams and saved... I go back in to find out about half of the formations saved and the others reverted back to the starters. Anyone else come across this?
 
# 203 Ueauvan @ 08/27/16 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlieh78
I just changed out all my starters on Special Teams and saved... I go back in to find out about half of the formations saved and the others reverted back to the starters. Anyone else come across this?
i get the same thing annoys the ^&*£ out of me

and it may follow madden in its iterations but hc09 you could put ss at mlb and vice versa iirc. and an oline at fb
 
# 204 charlieh78 @ 08/27/16 07:16 PM
I wanted to follow up with some additional details on the 4 formations that do not keep the changes for me.

I'm using the Cleveland Browns playbook (Hugh Jackson).

Special Teams:
Punt - Tight
FG Block Left and FG Block Right
Punt Return 33 Even
 
# 205 MaD1521 @ 08/28/16 12:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktd1976
For some reason, when I change my playbook in the "schemes" section in CFM, the change doesn't stick when I go to set formation subs.

I use the Lions, but I use the NE Coach playbook for offense. I switched to that playbook in Schemes.

When I go to make formation subs, only lets me sub for the Lions (Jim Caldwell) playbook.
Same here not sure if there's a workaround... maybe if u make a coach and select your own schemes?

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# 206 mrprice33 @ 08/28/16 02:28 PM
I haven't seen the reset bug myself but I'll check it out


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# 207 scoobyskyline3 @ 08/28/16 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrprice33
I haven't seen the reset bug myself but I'll check it out


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I tested it last night and it didnt reset
 
# 208 zackebarsch10 @ 08/28/16 06:35 PM
Someone said that the reset only occured for specific player when they get injured or get released. This would make a lot of sense. It should easy be tested. Maybe some of the devs/GC's can look at this and can explain the logic behind?!
 
# 209 kcchiefs1984 @ 08/29/16 10:49 AM
I play as the chiefs but like to use a 4-3 defense. I am unable to do this because no matter what defensive playbook I select, when I go to do the formation subs it always shows the Andy Reid playbook, not the one I selected.
When I go to the schemes section it still shows the playbook I selected.
I began my franchise before the day one patch downloaded and installed so I was wondering if that may be an issue or if this is a known issue.
 
# 210 Kosovan @ 09/12/16 08:32 AM
Anyone having problems with nickel or dime cornerbacks?

On the formation subs screen, Orlando Scandrick is the nickel CB but in game he'll always be on the outside.
 
# 211 Armor and Sword @ 09/12/16 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcchiefs1984
I play as the chiefs but like to use a 4-3 defense. I am unable to do this because no matter what defensive playbook I select, when I go to do the formation subs it always shows the Andy Reid playbook, not the one I selected.
When I go to the schemes section it still shows the playbook I selected.
I began my franchise before the day one patch downloaded and installed so I was wondering if that may be an issue or if this is a known issue.
In your coaches scheme screen assign the generic 4-3 playbook. You will then be able to do formation subs with the generic defensive 4-3 playbok.
 
# 212 Trick13 @ 09/12/16 09:25 AM
All of these stupid issues would not be issues if they had done custom sub packages...
 
# 213 Kosovan @ 09/14/16 10:49 AM
Why is it that when I put my No.1 CB at Nickel cornerback hes still on the outside. Anyone else having this problem? I can swap DEs but not CBs
 
# 214 kcchiefs1984 @ 09/14/16 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Armor and Sword
In your coaches scheme screen assign the generic 4-3 playbook. You will then be able to do formation subs with the generic defensive 4-3 playbok.
Thanks Armor, I'll give it a try tonight.
 
# 215 downundermike @ 09/14/16 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trick13
All of these stupid issues would not be issues if they had done custom sub packages...
Yes. They just get rid of the generic packages and let us create our own.
 
# 216 slick1ru2 @ 09/15/16 02:59 PM
Sucks that they limit who can be subbed.


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# 217 kcchiefs1984 @ 09/19/16 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Armor and Sword
In your coaches scheme screen assign the generic 4-3 playbook. You will then be able to do formation subs with the generic defensive 4-3 playbok.
Thanks for the reply Armor. Unfortunately that has not worked for me. I made that change in the main menu, as well as in the team settings and coaching schemes section of franchise. When I play a game I have the chosen playbooks but am unable to do formation subs for the chosen offensive and defensive playbooks. I play offline and am under the impression that is the issue.
 
# 218 NFLfan80 @ 09/19/16 07:44 PM
My formation subs on D won't save for all of them?
 
# 219 lvann4x @ 09/25/16 02:35 AM
It seems that the problem with Formation Subs is that they didn't make it bulletproof enough. Too many scenarios can make it go haywire.
Let's face it: Those of us who will really USE Formation Subs will take the time to make sure we don't have starters on special teams, INCLUDING on kickoff and kick return, and as time-consuming as it is, these things should stick and never reset.
In order to prevent injury, release, etc of a single player from screwing up everything, they should allow us to set up a depth chart for every position in every set. Basically say, "Formation Subs is gonna work all the time, but the user has to really want to use the feature to go this in depth."
Also, a depth chart within formations would allow for fatigue/autosubs to still work properly, as well as 3rd down back, packages, etc, but they need to throw in Custom Packages as well to get this feature to really be worth messing with IMO.
Plus, off topic, but get the audibles to "stick" in custom playbooks! Another time consuming endeavor that gets bugged out and rendered useless.
 
# 220 Ueauvan @ 09/25/16 03:20 AM
the #1 priority for me with formation subs was special teams. everytime someone is injured the subs reset. no matter what you do block kick left/right dont stick. and you cannot affect kickoff or return personnel. if i go in and manually change te2 fb1 wr5 mlb2 etc i run the risk of the game freezing and losing all credit for interceptions etc

im at the point that is it actually giving us anything in its current state. formation subs worked with custom playbooks in ncaa 14, subs worked in madden 08 pc, hco6 on pc and hco9 on ps3 (cant use xbox version in uk), prior version of madden had this in, it worked clunkily but better than we have now.

im also getting to the point of seriously wanting custom play design (within limits); ie dial in personnel say 3-3-5 Nickel, coverage Cover 3, man or zone or blitz underneath. However i would like the option of safety first. ie the guys i want to zcv doing deep zones. in the old 3-3-5 Cover 3 Man under, cbs 1 +2 and fs were deep. i want fs ss and nickel (who may be a S or cb) to do deep and my 2 best mcv in mcv. or i want 3-4 odd cover 2 hard flat where the lolb is in man not mlb2 and they reverse assignements because of the opposition personnel formation
 


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