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The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

Madden NFL 17 Associate Game Designer, Ryan "RG" Glick and the Madden team have sent us this exclusive blog covering the return of formation subs. Make sure to read it and post your thoughts.

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Madden has had its fair share of features come and go over its 27 year history.  One beloved Madden & NCAA feature that sadly was lost in the Gen 4 console transition was the ability to save formation specific substitution packages.  Now in Madden NFL 17 it gives me great joy to announce the return of formation substitutions within franchise mode. 

Before explaining how formation subs will work in Madden NFL 17, I want to say THANK You to our community because you truly were the ones who really drove this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

Now for a little back story about formation subs. It was originally a feature that was “out of scope” for Madden NFL 17 (meaning it was not scheduled to make it into the game).  That was until myself and the Madden NFL development team started to take note of all the support the feature was getting from the community.  All of your  and the GameChangers tweets, forum posts, wish lists, and feedback helped the team here at Tiburon know that this was a must have feature if we were serious about making significant changes to improving Franchise mode.  This was the type of feedback that made doing whatever work necessary to get this feature into Madden NFL 17.  

We are excited because the addition of formation subs is an example of our passionate community’s coming together to get a feature into the game.  So to all of you vocal Madden fans out there, please keep up the good work and continue to deliver feedback as you can make tremendous impact on the game.  

Now let’s talk about how the feature actually works. For those that are not familiar with formation subs, a quick high-level definition is that players now have the ability to set & save starters in specific positions based on formation regardless of how the players are sorted in the depth chart.  

Once in Franchise mode, the mechanic works as such:  

  • From the Franchise mode Hub scroll to the Manage Tab and select the My Coach menu.
  • From the My Coach menu Select Formation Subs  
  • The playbooks that load within the formation subs menu are the playbooks that you have set within the schemes section of the My Coach menu.  

  • Once in the Formation Subs menu toggle between offense and defense by simply pressing LB or RB (L1 or R1 on PS4).
  • Selected to edit offense or defense and then simply scroll through the different formations by navigating the L-stick while holding down LT (L2 on PS2).  Scroll over a formation you want to edit and let go of LT and the formation will populate. Then let go of LT they can use the L-stick to scroll through the different sets within the formation they selected.   

  • Next scroll to and highlight the set you want to edit they press the A button (X on PS2) which then allows you to scroll through the players within the selected set.  Then select the player you want to change by pressing the A button (X on PS2) after you've scrolled over and highlighted the player.  
  • From here scroll through the roster of players to choose your replacement.  Pressing the A button (X on PS2) on the selected replacement player subs him in for that formation.   

  • You can also reset a sub made to any given formation by selecting the formation you want to reset by pressing the RT button (R2 on PS4).  
  • When you are done making formation subs simply press B (O on PS4) to back out the formation subs menu and enter game to view your changes.  

Some additional things to keep in mind when using the feature are:

  • Formation subs carry from game to game unless you switch your playbook or resets the formation sub.  
  • You can still make formation subs when in game by using our legacy playcall screen formation sub feature.  This is done by picking plays by formation when at the play call screen by pressing RB when highlighting the formation you want to edit.  

The list of eligible players who can be subbed in at each position from the formation sub menu is:

  • QB = QB, K, P
  • HB = HB, FB
  • FB = FB, HB, TE
  • WR = WR, TE, HB
  • TE = TE, FB, LT, RT, MLB
  • LT = LT, LG, C, RG, RT
  • LG = LG, LT, C, RG, RT
  • C = C, LG, LT, RG, RT
  • RG = RG, RT, C, LG, LT
  • RT = RT, RG, C, LG, LT
  • LE - LE, RE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • RE = RE, LE, DT, ROLB, LOLB
  • DT = DT, LE, RE
  • LOLB = LOLB, ROLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • ROLB = ROLB, LOLB, MLB, RE, LE
  • MLB = MLB, ROLB, LOLB
  • CB = CB, FS, SS
  • FS = FS, SS, CB
  • SS = SS, FS, CB
  • K = K, P
  • P = P, K

Again, Thank You to the entire Madden Community for your constructive feedback year in and year out.  We look forward to watching you all continue to use your passion to make Madden the best it possibly can be.

Sincerely,

Ryan (RG) Glick 

Associate Game Designer


Member Comments
# 21 redsfan4life @ 08/09/16 05:46 PM
I'm just happy its back.

*shrugs*
 
# 22 Still2REal @ 08/09/16 05:56 PM
Am I missing something?!?!?

Nevermind I see the position restrictions. Still the WR at HB is so rare it's not that big of a deal. I am one of Madden's biggest critics but you guys are tripping on this issue
 
# 23 StayPlation82 @ 08/09/16 06:02 PM
yeah cause there's not a huge advantage for it. a HB guarded by a CB is cool. a WR guarded by a LB not so much. advantage WR. same at TE. Madden does a good job of telling you personnel on the field but a lot of that strategy went out with the lack of being able to counter in Gen2/3
 
# 24 Tatupu_64 @ 08/09/16 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Still2REal
Am I missing something?!?!?

Nevermind I see the position restrictions. Still the WR at HB is so rare it's not that big of a deal. I am one of Madden's biggest critics but you guys are tripping on this issue
And clearly an attempt to cheese imo. What teams actually do this? Cobb does it on occasion, who else?
 
# 25 Hooe @ 08/09/16 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by StayPlation82
yeah cause there's not a huge advantage for it. a HB guarded by a CB is cool. a WR guarded by a LB not so much. advantage WR. same at TE. Madden does a good job of telling you personnel on the field but a lot of that strategy went out with the lack of being able to counter in Gen2/3
Another fair point. Without the ability to assign defensive match-ups, I could see this sort of flexibility being a point of frustration and creating exploits.

I still would rather have unlimited flexibility myself, but again, I understand the mindset.
 
# 26 ginix @ 08/09/16 06:06 PM
No WR at HB but thankfully I can put HB at WR and now with full player editing that should not be a problem at all. So happy this has finally returned to Madden.
 
# 27 Hooe @ 08/09/16 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatupu_64
And clearly an attempt to cheese imo. What teams actually do this? Cobb does it on occasion, who else?
Off the top of my head, WRs I've seen line up in the offensive backfield as a running back - Randall Cobb, Tavon Austin, Dexter McCluster, DeAnthony Thomas, Percy Harvin, Cordarrelle Patterson, Lucky Whitehead, Julio Jones, AJ Green.

It's not common, granted, but it's also not rare.
 
# 28 StayPlation82 @ 08/09/16 06:12 PM
yeah i'd much rather have the option available and let the rules committee of these online CFMs handle the rest. especially since this seems to be a CFM only feature.
 
# 29 Yukon46 @ 08/09/16 06:12 PM
I sure hope I can make my Punter the Holder on XP's and FG's !!!
 
# 30 Godgers12 @ 08/09/16 06:17 PM
So no DE to TE or FB? Meaning no Watt on O, bummer.
 
# 31 DeuceDouglas @ 08/09/16 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas
Good to see that they will indeed save game-to-game. Like I said in the other thread, I really hope this can pave the way for more personnel features like custom packages. Also they definitely need to find a way to make customs be available in CFM and hopefully that will be the next logical step with this.


Just to add to this, hopefully this is something that is on the radar as well. It would be especially helpful in online CFM's but letting users be aware of exactly what personnel will be lining up should be essential with formation subs back.
 
# 32 StayPlation82 @ 08/09/16 06:24 PM
yeah i like that, they just showed the totals per position last year. this is much better.
 
# 33 LBzrule @ 08/09/16 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Godgers12
So no DE to TE or FB? Meaning no Watt on O, bummer.
Isn't there a package for this in certain formations or it used to be in there I think?
 
# 34 Mauer4MVP @ 08/09/16 06:35 PM
Cheese isn't a big deal. This is limited to CFM so I don't see how that would be a big deal.

And people dismissing this is silly. This restrictions are really dumb.
 
# 35 ItsOrangeBaby @ 08/09/16 06:42 PM
Disappointed in the following


WR not be able to line up at HB
QB's not be able to line up at WR or HB
SS or FS not be able to line up as a OLB
 
# 36 jfsolo @ 08/09/16 06:45 PM
I would imagine that they are still not completely confident with the gameplay/A.I. of the game yet to lift all position restrictions from the depth chart and formation sub menu. Full positional freedom should be something that they aspire to ultimately.
 
# 37 oneamongthefence @ 08/09/16 06:51 PM
I could see why it would be restricted in online play now but a CFM league can manage cheesers and people who exploit the game. No reason to have restrictions there.

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# 38 redsfan4life @ 08/09/16 06:59 PM
We should just be thankful we're going to have this available day one guys! No wait at all. That's awesome to me, and shows that the devs are listening to us.
 
# 39 vc3616 @ 08/09/16 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynbks4
Thought the same thing. Had plans to have some wrs in the backfield

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Not sure what you guys are reading maybe im reading it wrong but it says HB in the WR section

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# 40 vc3616 @ 08/09/16 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP
The problem is that means this is an incomplete formation subs feature and to be quite frank is kind of ridiculous. Putting a WR at HB should be a basic function in formation subs.

The limitations severely hinder the resource that it can be. It essentially makes the feature pointless for me.
It say you can put WR at HB it list HB next to WR

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