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Mike Wang Leaves EA, Heads Back To 2K Sports for NBA 2K11

Last night Sean O'Brien, the lead producer for NBA Live 10, blogged about Mike Wang leaving EA Canada and heading back to the US. Conveniently enough, this announcement coincided with a tweet by Ronnie 2K, an employee at 2K Sports, that said "huge news on the NBA front" was coming in the morning.

At this point the speculation began, but there was really no reason to analyze these two pieces of news like they were threads in an episode of Lost. Mike Wang is back at 2K Sports, and in addition to that fact, he is already working on NBA 2K11.

Operation Sports got a chance to talk with Mike Wang and NBA 2K producer Erick Boenisch about why Mike is returning to the NBA 2K franchise, why he left EA and what this all means for NBA 2K11.

Operation Sports: Obviously, the first question is what made you leave the NBA Live team Mike?

Mike Wang: My main goal ever since I got into this industry has been to help create the ultimate NBA hoops sim. After spending time with both Visual Concepts, working on NBA 2K6-2K8, and then with EA the past couple years, I realized that if I wanted to achieve my goal, returning to Visual Concepts was the right move to make. I met some great people in Canada (both inside and outside of EA), but it is definitely great to be back home.

OS: When did you leave or decide to leave the NBA Live team, and when did you return to the NBA 2K team?

Mike: After NBA Live 10 wrapped up and we started going through the pre-production planning phase for '11, we held several meetings to discuss the future of the franchise. After going through those meetings, it became very clear that the vision I had for the game was different from where the leadership wanted to take it. I parted ways with EA shortly after and came back on-board with the NBA 2K team last November.

OS: After you left EA, did you immediately think about coming back to Visual Concepts? Was Visual Concepts the only development studio you considered?

Mike: Absolutely. The moment I stepped out the door after NBA 2K8, I missed the game, the guys I was working with and just the overall way VC, as a company, operates. It is easy to take things like that for granted, and sometimes you have to lose them to really understand just how valuable they are. Fortunately for me, I have been given a second chance to work with the best team in the business doing what I love to do. And yes, VC was the only studio that I considered returning to.

OS: A couple years ago you left the NBA 2K team. So has something at the studio changed since you left that specifically made you want to come back?

Mike: The studio and development team here at 2K has evolved quite a bit since I left. They have added some incredible new talent, including absorbing the College Hoops 2K guys, which has made coming back that much more exciting. I would not say that is what prompted me to want to come back, but it is definitely a different dynamic here, and I am really excited for what we are going to be able to build together.

OS: Erick, did Mike tell you guys ahead of time that he was considering returning to Visual Concepts, or were you surprised to find out Mike was or might be coming back to the studio?

Erick Boenisch: Mike was very respectful of his employer and did not contact Rob or I until he had made his own decision. Obviously, upon hearing the news, we were very excited about bringing Mike back home to 2K where he belongs. We have a very talented and experienced development team working on the NBA 2K franchise, so when you get the opportunity to add experience to an already experienced team, people tend to get excited, and rightfully so. We have some special stuff in the works for NBA 2K11, and it is going to show this fall when the game is released.

OS: Mike, you have bounced around a bit during your development career [Mike previously worked on Microsoft's Inside Drive series, then went to 2K Sports before heading to EA Canada]. Are you planning on sticking around at Visual Concepts this time around?


Mike: I told Greg Thomas [president of Visual Concepts] he could sign me to a long-term contract if he wanted to. But yes, I have every intention of sticking with VC for the long haul.

OS: Did you return to 2K early enough to get involved in the grand scheme of things for NBA 2K11? In other words, are you fully involved with this development process and the "big ideas" that are going into the game this year, or is next year going to be your first "full" year working on the series again?


Mike: One of the wonderful things about this company, its tools, workflows and processes is that everything is very efficient, and it is just easy to get things done. So yes, everything that I wanted to work on this year has been incorporated into the plan. The interesting thing is, when I first spoke with Rob Jones [gameplay director for NBA 2K] about coming back, many of the things that I wanted to do were already in the works. Rob and I have always seen eye to eye on what makes a great basketball game, so we were able to get back into the groove of things very quickly. It was very refreshing to talk about the state of the current basketball games and start bouncing ideas off of each other again -- just like old times. And with the addition of Zach and Jerson, the College Hoops 2K gameplay producers, I could not have hoped for a stronger gameplay design/production team to work with. Personally, it did take me a couple weeks to get up to speed on all the new tools and features that the guys have been working on the last couple years, but now we are firing on all cylinders, and we are creating a title in NBA 2K11 that I know hoops fans are going to love.

OS: Erick, was there anything in particular you guys were lacking on the development side of things after Mike headed to EA?

Erick: Fortunately for us, we had some very talented individuals step into the NBA gameplay design role with the demise of College Hoops 2K. Mike has stepped right in and worked seamlessly with these guys. When you put a lot of great minds together, great things happen, and we are already seeing that with NBA 2K11.

OS: Mike, what is your role going to be now that you are a part of the the NBA 2K development team again? What areas will you be most focused on?


Mike: My role is pretty much the same as when I left after NBA 2K8, and my focus will never change: the five-on-five on-court experience. I am really excited to let everybody know what we, as a gameplay team, have in store for you this year. But that will have to wait for now.

OS: Overall, what does this mean for the development team working on the NBA 2K series?

Erick: The NBA 2K development team has very little turnover, which I think speaks volumes to the pride and dedication each member has towards delivering the most authentic simulation basketball experience possible. The goal for our team is very simple, deliver the absolute best game of basketball to our fans. With that in mind, our team was very excited to see Mike step in and do what we know he is capable of. The real winner here is our fans, who will reap the benefits of this great addition to our team.


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# 41 B-Wills @ 02/03/10 01:59 AM
calling it now, 2k11 will be a classic.
 
# 42 23 @ 02/03/10 02:29 AM
Boy you went out on a limb there didn't ya?
 
# 43 joel0078 @ 02/03/10 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dantecamp21
I'm not taking sides on this one, although I can't see how 2K11 development won't benefit from adding what is perceived (and rightfully so) as the best b-ball gameplay designer around.

But Bryan Wiedey from Pastapadre.com gave us a interesting point of view about the situation on his site. Basically, he said that the EA Canada structure hasn't prevented the NHL and FIFA series from being both stellar games. Today, these 2 franchises (together with MLB The Show) are the standard by which excellence is measured in every sports game.

He also said that it would be unwise by EA Sports to went the arcade way with its supposed "serious" basketball product once you realize all the buzz that NBA Jam has been generating. We know it's only a Wii game, but many believe the game will eventually be available as a DLC on both Xbox Live Marketplace and PlayStation Network. Remember, the Madden Arcade downloadable game uses the Madden Wii engine.

At the same, he believes Live 11 will be a make or break year for the franchise, as everybody around here (including me).

I think there are some solid facts backing his points and it makes us wonder what truly happened on this whole Mike Wang fiasco.
Not for nothing, but you need to take everything pastapadre reports on regarding any non EA product, with a grain of salt. The guys got great information on his site, and frankly its my go to site when I'm looking for new info on a new sports game, but pastas always shown a strong favoritism to ea games (especially live), over any other competitor. It's his choice and I'm not knocking it.

In any event, people have been saying for the last 2-3 years that the next live will be a "make or break" for the franchise. Let's get over this already. Live is a good game, depending on what you style you like. But the sales number don't lie, 2K dominates in sales and this move will only ensure that for years to come. 2K is the industry leader in this genre and probably will be for some time.

Who cares why Wang is back, or what happened behind closed doors. He's back with 2k and that's what matters. For me, I'm about done with Live. The fact Mike came back to 2K speaks volumes about the game designers of Live, as well as EA in general. This is a perfect example of typical EA attitude. They hyped their game up pre release (as usual), then fell off the face of the planet 3 weeks after release, when problems arose. They let go of the best NBA gameplay designer on the market, because they felt they wanted to go in a direction that was different from his ideas? Good decision fellas. You will most certainly continue to fall behind in sales now.

I'm glad Mike's back and can't wait for 2k11. Welcome back Mike!
 
# 44 mrclutch @ 02/03/10 03:26 AM
I just hope Mike can improve the control scheme for 2k like he has Live over the last couple years. If he can do that we may have a winner.
 
# 45 Dantecamp21 @ 02/03/10 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by joel0078
Not for nothing, but you need to take everything pastapadre reports on regarding any non EA product, with a grain of salt. The guys got great information on his site, and frankly its my go to site when I'm looking for new info on a new sports game, but pastas always shown a strong favoritism to ea games (especially live), over any other competitor. It's his choice and I'm not knocking it.

In any event, people have been saying for the last 2-3 years that the next live will be a "make or break" for the franchise. Let's get over this already. Live is a good game, depending on what you style you like. But the sales number don't lie, 2K dominates in sales and this move will only ensure that for years to come. 2K is the industry leader in this genre and probably will be for some time.

Who cares why Wang is back, or what happened behind closed doors. He's back with 2k and that's what matters. For me, I'm about done with Live. The fact Mike came back to 2K speaks volumes about the game designers of Live, as well as EA in general. This is a perfect example of typical EA attitude. They hyped their game up pre release (as usual), then fell off the face of the planet 3 weeks after release, when problems arose. They let go of the best NBA gameplay designer on the market, because they felt they wanted to go in a direction that was different from his ideas? Good decision fellas. You will most certainly continue to fall behind in sales now.

I'm glad Mike's back and can't wait for 2k11. Welcome back Mike!
I think your arguments are valid and I respect them. I also know that Brian has been regarded as an EA homer, although I don't necessarily agree with that assumption.

The "make or break" thing surrounding Live this year is different from year's past due to the state of the economy. We used to have 5 "sim" basketball games on the market (2K, Live, the Sony series and both college games) and now it might have come down to just 2, assuming NCAA Basketball 10 was the last dance for the series.

It's undeniable that 2K Sports reigns supreme on the basketball department. The whole point of my post was: why EA Canada can't reproduce the success of FIFA and NHL with NBA Live? It's head-scratching to imagine that those games are able to succeed with the supposed poor management provided from the guys upstairs.

I've been very careful when approaching this matter because Mike is a great guy, but I believe he could've handled this in a different manner. His comments were devastating to the Live franchise, a series that has already lost the benefit of the doubt for many around here.

I'm sure that with Mike back on board, NBA 2K11 will be an outstanding game. My concern is that at this point, even if NBA Live 11 turns out be a great game, it'll probably perform poorly sales-wise.

EA has dug this hole for themselves in the first place, but this final blow only speaks volume about what Mike represents for the genre. I bet everyone around here would at least give the Sony series a shot if SCE San Diego announced that he would be the leading man behind NBA 11 The Inside. Wasn't exactly that what happened with Live 10?

Well, the main point is: everyone of us will loose when it comes to 2011 and we only have NBA 2K12 on store shelves. Just look at Madden.
 
# 46 edubbs @ 02/03/10 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mrclutch
I just hope Mike can improve the control scheme for 2k like he has Live over the last couple years. If he can do that we may have a winner.
I agree.

This is one of the major keys for 2k11.

Live's controls are soo good that I doubt the 2k series will ever be as good on these consoles. However, if they could just close the gap in control quality it would be a HUGE plus.

With 2k9 and 2k10, I don't know if the controls actually got that much worse, or I've just become spoiled by the controls in the other game.

In any case, there is no excuse for NBA2K to be soo unpredictable control wise.

Even signature shots 'feel' weird and less responsive this year. Hopefully, ALOT more control is given back to the user this year.
 
# 47 BrianFifaFan @ 02/03/10 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by edubbs
I agree.

This is one of the major keys for 2k11.

Live's controls are soo good that I doubt the 2k series will ever be as good on these consoles. However, if they could just close the gap in control quality it would be a HUGE plus.

With 2k9 and 2k10, I don't know if the controls actually got that much worse, or I've just become spoiled by the controls in the other game.

In any case, there is no excuse for NBA2K to be soo unpredictable control wise.

Even signature shots 'feel' weird and less responsive this year. Hopefully, ALOT more control is given back to the user this year.
If we could get back 2k7's framerate and have at least of variation of NBA Live's controls for 2k11, I would be totally sold. It would be nice for Mike to have a hand in refining 2k's gameplay a bit more. I'm sure he could help with the responsiveness of the players.
 
# 48 youvalss @ 02/03/10 05:04 PM
With all this fuss, I think 2K should add a HUGE text on the front side of the box, saying "MIKE WANG IS BACK!!!" (just like NBA Live 2000's cover, saying Jordan is back!...or something like that).
 
# 49 CX1329 @ 02/03/10 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by youvalss
With all this fuss, I think 2K should add a HUGE text on the front side of the box, saying "MIKE WANG IS BACK!!!" (just like NBA Live 2000's cover, saying Jordan is back!...or something like that).

Nobody even knows who Mike Wang is, apart from us hardcore sim gamers. The general public would be left scratching their heads and going "uhh, who's this Mike Wang dude and what is he doing in 2K11?".
 
# 50 youvalss @ 02/03/10 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CX1329
Nobody even knows who Mike Wang is, apart from us hardcore sim gamers. The general public would be left scratching their heads and going "uhh, who's this Mike Wang dude and what is he doing in 2K11?".
Yeah, but that's good marketing:

- "Hey, look, Mike Wang is back!"
- "WHO????"
- "I don't know but he's back!!! I'm buying this game!"
 
# 51 CaptainZombie @ 02/03/10 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianFifaFan
If we could get back 2k7's framerate and have at least of variation of NBA Live's controls for 2k11, I would be totally sold. It would be nice for Mike to have a hand in refining 2k's gameplay a bit more. I'm sure he could help with the responsiveness of the players.
If we had Live's controls and graphical crispness with the best of NBA2K has to offer, it would be heaven. As old as the 2K engine is, I think they might have a hard time getting smooth controls until they build a new engine. Who knows if VC wants to even do that now and just play it safe till next gen hardware comes along.
 
# 52 BrianFifaFan @ 02/03/10 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Biohazard
If we had Live's controls and graphical crispness with the best of NBA2K has to offer, it would be heaven. As old as the 2K engine is, I think they might have a hard time getting smooth controls until they build a new engine. Who knows if VC wants to even do that now and just play it safe till next gen hardware comes along.
I think VC is gonna have a hard time with stable games till they ditch the VIP. It's a good idea, but it's another process running in the background, and it seems to be more trouble than it's worth. My two gripes that lead me to Live are the framerate and controls. What's funny is, 2k7 had both in spades. Figure out how to recapture that magic of 2k7, while not getting rid of the signature stuff that sets the game apart, and it's not anywhere near a contest. Hopefully that's what they don't want to talk about yet. And, in the meantime, get the darn PC patch out for 2k10! I'll buy it!
 
# 53 elprez98 @ 02/07/10 10:48 PM
This seems to me like corporate espionage. But I'm a conspiracy nut.
 
# 54 23 @ 02/08/10 12:30 AM
lol its videogames man
 
# 55 elprez98 @ 02/08/10 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 23
lol its videogames man

So he "leaves" 2k for a year and is back after he found out everything he could about Live. I'm not mad at 2k. I thought I'd be good with 2k10 for about 2 years but probably not.
 
# 56 23 @ 02/08/10 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by elprez98
So he "leaves" 2k for a year and is back after he found out everything he could about Live. I'm not mad at 2k. I thought I'd be good with 2k10 for about 2 years but probably not.

So he's playing games now taking his family to canada just to see what EA is doing, in the meantime 2k is outselling them for another year??

That makes no sense at all man.
 
# 57 elprez98 @ 02/08/10 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 23
So he's playing games now taking his family to canada just to see what EA is doing, in the meantime 2k is outselling them for another year??

That makes no sense at all man.

Sheesh, I kid dude.
 
# 58 23 @ 02/08/10 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by elprez98
Sheesh, I kid dude.
 
# 59 PEDROtheQUICK30 @ 06/06/10 05:43 AM
I can't wait to see how 2k11 is gonna be this coming year!
 
# 60 eDotd @ 06/06/10 09:03 AM
Man you bumped this thread at 4 in the morning to say that, I thought this was new..lol.
 


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