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Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

12:31 PM - July 23, 2016 by smiley3

EA Sports has continued revealing their Madden NFL 17 player ratings today, as they announce the top 5 wide receivers in the game. More detailed ratings can be seen in the official blog.

Check them out and post your thoughts!

Antonio Brown (Overall 97)
Julio Jones (Overall 96)
A.J. Green (Overall 93)
Odell Beckham Jr. (Overall 93)
DeAndre Hopkins (Overall 93)

Previously released Madden NFL 17 player ratings:

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# 101 msdm27 @ 07/29/16 05:02 PM

To that point, I still find it weird that age 28 is already a "speed declining phase" for players.

But at least the Green/Hopkins question is answered now.
I feel like there should be another way to represent speed decline, or at least start with the decline at a later stage?

# 102 underdog13 @ 07/29/16 05:17 PM

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	To that point, I still find it weird that age 28 is already a "speed declining phase" for players. But at least the Green/Hopkins question is answered now. I feel like there should be another way to represent speed decline, or at least start with the decline at a later stage?

Why whats wrong with 28? I think its very fair to say a football player is slower at 28 than they were at 24. They might be much better at running routes counter acting it but, I don't know many athletes that get faster as they get older.

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# 103 mrprice33 @ 07/29/16 05:20 PM

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	Do you have a link to the source of the graph? What exactly is involved in "aging"?

http://socalledfantasyexperts.com/ag...ingle-position

It's using Approximate Value as defined by Pro-Football Reference. Not a perfect metric by any means (as some, such as Pro Football Focus, track player grades and have determined that most players peak physically before they've played their first regular season down), but a consistent one.

# 104 mrprice33 @ 07/29/16 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by msdm27


	To that point, I still find it weird that age 28 is already a "speed declining phase" for players. But at least the Green/Hopkins question is answered now. I feel like there should be another way to represent speed decline, or at least start with the decline at a later stage?

Every available data point out there suggests that by age 28 a WR is on his way out of the league.

The link I sent you indicates that is number is about 26 years old, while a study of WR fantasy output over time by PFF indicates that it's about 25 years old.

Whether or not that equates directly to speed, I couldn't say, but speed is definitely a part of it, as would arm strength be for QBs.

# 105 mrprice33 @ 07/29/16 05:29 PM

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	Why whats wrong with 28? I think its very fair to say a football player is slower at 28 than they were at 24. They might be much better at running routes counter acting it but, I don't know many athletes that get faster as they get older. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Right.

If Hopkins was a 4.57 at 21 and Green was a 4.50 at 21, then at 24 and 28, respectively, it's safe to assume that Hopkins is about as fast, if not slightly faster, than Green. They'll never race to find out, and I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that one person will be able to update the speed for every single player during one off-season via film (whether they should be using one person to do ratings is another discussion entirely), so this is the best we have. It's not perfect, and some of the methodology could be clearer, but it is what it is.

# 106 roadman @ 07/29/16 06:32 PM

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	Right. If Hopkins was a 4.57 at 21 and Green was a 4.50 at 21, then at 24 and 28, respectively, it's safe to assume that Hopkins is about as fast, if not slightly faster, than Green. They'll never race to find out, and I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that one person will be able to update the speed for every single player during one off-season via film (whether they should be using one person to do ratings is another discussion entirely), so this is the best we have. It's not perfect, and some of the methodology could be clearer, but it is what it is.

I thougt they have someone else helping Kane, the same person that is helping him with equipment. Emsolo or something similar to that?

# 107 msdm27 @ 07/29/16 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	Right. If Hopkins was a 4.57 at 21 and Green was a 4.50 at 21, then at 24 and 28, respectively, it's safe to assume that Hopkins is about as fast, if not slightly faster, than Green. They'll never race to find out, and I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that one person will be able to update the speed for every single player during one off-season via film (whether they should be using one person to do ratings is another discussion entirely), so this is the best we have. It's not perfect, and some of the methodology could be clearer, but it is what it is.

Good arguments, I reckon now the one point difference in the players is justified inside the ratings scheme. As Price said, wish there was a bit more clarity as far as how things are rated, but some things are also so subjective that we just have to hope for consistency in the method used.

# 108 briz1046 @ 07/29/16 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	Right. If Hopkins was a 4.57 at 21 and Green was a 4.50 at 21, then at 24 and 28, respectively, it's safe to assume that Hopkins is about as fast, if not slightly faster, than Green. They'll never race to find out, and I think it's probably unreasonable to expect that one person will be able to update the speed for every single player during one off-season via film (whether they should be using one person to do ratings is another discussion entirely), so this is the best we have. It's not perfect, and some of the methodology could be clearer, but it is what it is.

Tbh if athletes peak at say 25 sprinting wise , I'd say AJ should still have a a slight edge in SPD or ACC but itwould be marginal at best .

I'd say speed regression due to age is overdone since 16 still , barring injury its not much of a factor until nearer 30 and then should slowly decline

# 109 mrprice33 @ 07/30/16 01:36 AM

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	Tbh if athletes peak at say 25 sprinting wise , I'd say AJ should still have a a slight edge in SPD or ACC but itwould be marginal at best . I'd say speed regression due to age is overdone since 16 still , barring injury its not much of a factor until nearer 30 and then should slowly decline

Afaik there's no data to back that up.

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# 110 mrprice33 @ 07/30/16 01:37 AM

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	I thougt they have someone else helping Kane, the same person that is helping him with equipment. Emsolo or something similar to that?

I thought she just worked on live but regardless you could have a 10 person staff doing ratings and maybe have enough.

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# 111 toastysausage @ 07/30/16 02:14 AM

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	I'm with you. Coming out of college their rating should be purely based on what their 40 time was, but a base speed deduction as players reach certain ages is something that I'm more than okay with.

It shouldn't be purely based on 40 time. 40 time has lot more to do with acceleration than speed

# 112 JohnTaylor @ 07/30/16 02:19 AM

Receiver should lose speed depending on age, injury type, and combination of both.

# 113 briz1046 @ 07/30/16 09:43 AM

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	Afaik there's no data to back that up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There is data available via Google for track athletes , sorry can't provide a link as I'm using my PS and I'm an old technophobe , how that translates to WRs is up for debate

I also seem to remember Dan from FBG saying he'd seen team data regarding James Jones from GB in an old thread that showed no significant speed regression until his last season

Not really disagreeing over your opinion , more it's a matter of degree tbh , it's obvious all athletes do decline , probably from around 25 onwards , but I believe recent Madden ratings have over done that

Having said that even applying a totally accurate regression arc universally wouldn't account for players individual situations , just provide a guide, so this type of discussion will never really go away

# 114 mrprice33 @ 07/30/16 11:24 AM

For sure. Without exact and precise measurements it's a guesstimate. As long as it's applied across the board I can live with it.

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