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NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Four: Kobe, Wall, Ross & More

06:34 PM - August 28, 2015 by Steve_OS

NBA players continue posting their NBA 2K16 player ratings, along with in-game screenshots of themselves in action. Below are the players that have either posted on Twitter, Facebook or Instagram today.

(Click the name(s) below, to see the screenshot.)

John Wall (Overall Rating - 87)
Kobe Bryant (Overall Rating - 85)
Aaron Brooks (Overall Rating - 75)
Terrence Ross (Overall Rating - 73)
Langston Galloway (Overall Rating - 72)
Anthony Tolliver - (Overall Rating - 70)

Previously confirmed player ratings: (Click the name(s) below, to see the screenshot)

Kevin Durant - (Overall Rating - 91)
Andre Drummond - (Overall Rating - 83)
Isaiah Thomas - (Overall Rating - 81)
Hassan Whiteside - (Overall Rating - 81)
Rudy Gobert - (Overall Rating - 79)
Jared Sullinger - (Overall Rating - 77)
Tony Wroten - (Overall Rating - 75)
C. J. Miles - (Overall Rating - 73)
Isaiah Canaan - (Overall Rating - 73)
Evan Fournier - (Overall Rating - 72)
Shelvin Mack - (Overall Rating - 72)
C.J. McCollum - (Overall Rating - 72)
Kyle Anderson - (Overall Rating - 71)
Shane Larkin - (Overall Rating - 70)
Spencer Dinwiddie - (Overall Rating - 70)
Quincy Acy - (Overall Rating - 69)
Perry Jones III - (Overall Rating - 69)
Pierre Jackson - (Overall Rating - 69)

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# 221 Real2KInsider @ 08/31/15 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	Rose is going to be at least an 81-83. Yes, I can say that confidently. Wait so are ratings based off of career arc now? You're stat guy, why bring up career arc and age?

Rose can still improve as a player and has a shot at getting back some of what he once was (a reason for optimism).
Kobe is ONLY getting worse (no reason for optimism). That's the "read between the lines" difference.

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	So you're telling me... Middleton, Korver and Green round out the top 4 SGs in the league.

It's fairly common knowledge among NBA decision makers nowadays that "Three and D" SGs are much more valuable than an inefficient, no-defense chucker at SG (which is reflected pretty accurately by RPM).

There's a reason Dallas passed on Monta Ellis to bring in a recovering Wesley Matthews on a massive contract. Kobe is like Monta except 37 years old.

# 222 Number999 @ 09/01/15 12:34 AM

I won't have an issue with Kobe's rating but I swear if he has a higher rating than Dwyane Wade I'm calling bull****.....

# 223 8KB24 @ 09/01/15 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Number999


	I won't have an issue with Kobe's rating but I swear if he has a higher rating than Dwyane Wade I'm calling bull**.....

I expect Wade to have 87 rating which sounds about right.

# 224 BluFu @ 09/02/15 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	It's fairly common knowledge among NBA decision makers nowadays that "Three and D" SGs are much more valuable than an inefficient, no-defense chucker at SG (which is reflected pretty accurately by RPM).

Butler & Klay Thompson's reaction..

# 225 Real2KInsider @ 09/02/15 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	Butler & Klay Thompson's reaction..

5. Jimmy Butler (38 3pt%, All-Defense 2nd)
7. Klay Thompson (44 3pt%, Solid Defense)
53. Kobe Bryant (29%, Ghost)

LOL were you trying to convince us that they are bad defenders and shooters? Or that RPM should be treated as a strict rating/ranking system?

You should have kept quiet and let it go but some people just gotta have the last word (or in this case, GIF) no matter how dumb it is.

# 226 BluFu @ 09/02/15 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	5. Jimmy Butler (38 3pt%, All-Defense 2nd) 7. Klay Thompson (44 3pt%, Solid Defense) 53. Kobe Bryant (29%, Ghost) LOL were you trying to convince us that they are bad defenders and shooters? Or that RPM should be treated as a strict rating/ranking system? You should have kept quiet and let it go but some people just gotta have the last word (or in this case, GIF) no matter how dumb it is.

Keep quiet? Keep quiet for who? This is a forum Rashidi... get over yourself. You posted the chart for RPM trying to convince "us" (wait, who's us?

) that Evan freaking Turner is a better player than Kobe Bryant solely based on RPM. So, by that same hand, Middleton and Korver are better than Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson... right? Man, Middleton really got snubbed from the allstar game..

. As I said before, there's nothing left to discuss.. Maybe you should let it go.

Oh, and

# 227 Sundown @ 09/02/15 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	Keep quiet? Keep quiet for who? This is a forum Rashidi... get over yourself. You posted the chart for RPM trying to convince "us" (wait, who's us? ) that Evan freaking Turner is a better player than Kobe Bryant solely based on RPM. So, by that same hand, Middleton and Korver are better than Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson... right? Man, Middleton really got snubbed from the allstar game.. . As I said before, there's nothing left to discuss.. Maybe you should let it go.

RPM is actually one of the better metrics. Incredulity and gifs don't change that.

For how bad Bryant was on both sides of the basket last season, Evan Turner probably did have a more positive impact. It doesn't mean I'd give Turner the same 2K rating, because RPM is more of a measure of fit, impact, and usage in a player's current role and not really a direct measure of skill or fit in another context. But Kobe was killing his team last season. There's no denying that. Kobe was bad by the eye test, the efficiency test, and the RPM test. When you fail all of them, you're... pretty bad. The only way to justify his rating are vague narratives that might have been true over two seasons ago. Like I said, an rating of 80-81 would already have been EXTREMELY generous and kind for such a negatively impactful and statistically terrible player.

Middleton and Korver are hugely impactful in their roles and Middleton has done especially well beyond expectations. But RPM is noisy so it's not meant to be used to say that Korver and Middleton is definitively better than Thompson or Butler based on minor differentials. It does rank both of them very well (because they're both also elite 3 and D + guys), and it very clearly illustrates all of these guys are infinitely more impactful than Kobe, so there's really nothing wrong with what Rashidi initially said, and to be fair, the Kevin Hart gif doesn't actually make much sense in that context.

# 228 BluFu @ 09/02/15 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	For how bad Bryant was on both sides of the basket last season, Evan Turner probably did have a more positive impact. It doesn't mean I'd give Turner the same 2K rating, because RPM is more of a measure of fit, impact, and usage in a player's current role and not really a direct measure of skill or fit in another context. But Kobe was killing his team last season. There's no denying that. Kobe was bad by the eye test, the efficiency test, and the RPM test. When you fail all of them, you're... pretty bad. The only way to justify his rating are vague narratives that might have been true over two seasons ago.

If Rashidi had said 'Kobe didn't play well... oh and he ranks 53rd in RPM', that's a whole different discussion. But the fact that he's trying to say Evan Turner is better than (or as good as) Kobe because he ranked below him in RPM (based on the handful of games he could actually suit up for)... yeah. There's something really wrong with that right there. Why can I not then say Middleton is better than Jimmy Butler if we're only using one metric?

Once you get out of the mindset that Kobe completed a whole 82 game season playing that bad then you'll start seeing my point. Paul George might as well have started 2K15 with an 80 ovr because of how badly he played his last couple of months. But (I'll say it again) players aren't rated solely based off a couple of months of basketball.

I'm not trying to say Kobe played well, I'm trying to say a handful of games isn't worth completely blowing up his rating.

Rashidi, Sundown.. it was a pleasure talking to you but I've already given my 2 cents on this discussion.. There's no more to say.

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	You can't give him an OVR rating completely based on his last season when he wasn't even close to completing it.

# 229 Real2KInsider @ 09/02/15 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	But the fact that he's trying to say Evan Turner is better than (or as good as) Kobe

What Rashidi actually said:

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Kobe continues to get high ratings because there are casual clowns out there (that 2K doesn't want to piss off) who seriously think he is still on par with the likes of Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson when the reality is he is a rich man's Evan Turner at this point.

Facts are important. Lies aren't.

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	Once you get out of the mindset that Kobe completed a whole 82 game season playing that bad then you'll start seeing my point. Paul George might as well have started 2K15 with an 80 ovr because of how badly he played his last couple of months. But (I'll say it again) players aren't rated solely based off a couple of months of basketball. I'm not trying to say Kobe played well, I'm trying to say a handful of games isn't worth completely blowing up his rating.

Derrick Rose: 51 games, 1530 minutes
Carmelo Anthony: 40 games, 1428 minutes
Jrue Holiday: 40 games, 1303 minutes
Jose Calderon: 40 games, 1270 minutes
Dwight Howard: 41 games, 1223 minutes
Kobe Bryant: 35 games, 1207 minutes
Brandon Jennings: 41 games, 1173 minutes
Nick Young: 42 games, 1000 minutes
Paul George: 6 games, 91 minutes

One of these is not like the others.
1200 minutes and 35 games ain't a "handful".
Kobe stans would have you believe 1000 of those don't count and that he barely played.

The reality
Manu Ginobili: 1587 minutes
Cory Joseph: 1444 minutes
Marco Belinelli: 1388 minutes
Kobe Bryant: 1207 minutes
Aron Baynes: 1122 minutes
Tiago Splitter: 1030 minutes
Matt Bonner: 935 minutes
Patrick Mills: 801 minutes
Jeff Ayres: 383 minutes
Kyle Anderson: 351 minutes

It's MORE than enough to make informed decisions off of.

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	Rashidi, Sundown.. it was a pleasure talking to you but I've already given my 2 cents on this discussion.. There's no more to say.

Next time bring the full dollar.

# 230 Sundown @ 09/02/15 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	If Rashidi had said 'Kobe didn't play well... oh and he ranks 53rd in RPM', that's a whole different discussion. But the fact that he's trying to say Evan Turner is better than (or as good as) Kobe because he ranked below him in RPM (based on the handful of games he could actually suit up for)... yeah. There's something really wrong with that right there. Why can I not then say Middleton is better than Jimmy Butler if we're only using one metric? Once you get out of the mindset that Kobe completed a whole 82 game season playing that bad then you'll start seeing my point. Paul George might as well have started 2K15 with an 80 ovr because of how badly he played his last couple of months. But (I'll say it again) players aren't rated solely based off a couple of months of basketball. I'm not trying to say Kobe played well, I'm trying to say a handful of games isn't worth completely blowing up his rating. Rashidi, Sundown.. it was a pleasure talking to you but I've already given my 2 cents on this discussion.. There's no more to say.

I think once you consider that Kobe has not played at any level of effectiveness in over two seasons, and has been terrible in extended stretches you'll see our point. It doesn't justify throwing out the non-significant data because of casual impressions or hopeful thinking, especially when it's consistent with a player's age, athletic decline, tendency, and injury history.

It's not a couple months of bad basketball in between a few productive seasons. It's a couple months of bad basketball, period, with nothing else to show for it.

Pretty much the only justification for keeping Kobe as high as an 85 is just wanting it to be that way.

It seems Rashidi never said Turner was "better" than Kobe (though I wouldn't be suprised if Turner does have less terrible impact than Kobe at this stage). He actually said Kobe was a rich man's Turner, which is actually giving him more benefit of the doubt than RPM does.

More importantly he said that Kobe is an inefficient chucking SG, 3 and D shooting guards are much more impactful, and RPM very clearly show both of those facts to be true. None of this is really that debatable. It feels that there's a case of a strawman argument here in trying to get RPM to make claims that it doesn't (nor anyone using it here has used it to do).

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	You can't give him an OVR rating completely based on his last season when he wasn't even close to completing it.

You can and should give a player an OVR rating most heavily influenced by recent games, especially if those are the only games that are available in multiple seasons, and especially if they are a non-insignificant sample set.

You can't base an OVR rating almost completely on memories and performance data with a very short expiration date, throwing out the most relevant data due to injuries and popularity. If anything injuries should reduce ratings somewhat by default, especially when injuries are already correlated with the reduced performance evidenced.

In no other serious basketball analysis are injures used to excuse poor performance from being indicators of a player's actual performance level. And if we really WERE just using a few months of perfomance to guage Kobe with no further consideration, he would be a 73. Not a 81.

# 231 BluFu @ 09/02/15 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundown


	You can't base an OVR rating almost completely on memories and performance data with a very short expiration date, throwing out the most relevant data due to injuries and popularity. If anything injuries should reduce ratings somewhat by default, especially when injuries are already correlated with the reduced performance evidenced.

Fact of the matter is: Kobe's got more recent positive game data when healthy then he does negative data when not (78 in '12-13 vs 41 in '13-14 + '14-15).

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Kobe Bryant: 35 games, 1207 minutes Paul George: 6 games, 91 minutes One of these is not like the others. 1200 minutes and 35 games ain't a "handful".

Just want to clarify... I was referring to Paul George's 13-14 season. Thus: "start of 2K15"..

Paul George in last 35 games of '13-14: 20.1 ppg 7.3 rpg 3.6 apg .387 FG%

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Next time bring the full dollar.

'Shidi got bars!!

Don't worry, I've got plenty

# 232 Real2KInsider @ 09/02/15 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	Fact of the matter is: Kobe's got more recent positive game data when healthy then he does negative data when not (78 in '12-13 vs 41 in '13-14 + '14-15).

If only that data applied to a post-Achillies tear version of Kobe Bryant. He's never going back to be "healthy" again, not in the context you're flailing for. This is where we put the calculator down and things like eyes and common sense kick in. The numbers SUPPORT and QUANTIFY what we see - that Kobe has lost a step and a half.

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	Just want to clarify... I was referring to Paul George's 13-14 season. Paul George in last 35 games of '13-14: 20.1 ppg 7.3 rpg 3.6 apg .387 FG%

Which does nothing to refute the point that Kobe had a larger body of work than half of the players in the NBA.

As far as George goes, he was rated off his FULL body of work in 2014. You take the good games with the bad. You don't get to pick and choose which ones apply and call yourself unbiased.

# 233 BluFu @ 09/02/15 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	He's never going back to be "healthy" again, not in the context you're flailing for.

What else do you see? Who's winning a ring in 2016?

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Which does nothing to refute the point that Kobe had a larger body of work than half of the players in the NBA.

241... that's how many players played as many or more minutes than Kobe. You named the Spurs bench and a handful of other players... and Calderon lol.

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	As far as George goes, he was rated off his FULL body of work in 2014. You take the good games with the bad. You don't get to pick and choose which ones apply and call yourself unbiased.

Finally... we've come full circle... This was my initial point. George can't and wasn't rated off his last 35 games because it wasn't a full body of work akin to how Rose's 6 games weren't used when he was being rated at the start of the year. Similar to how it's going to be for Paul George in 2K16... 35 games last season is not a full body of work. 6 games before that is not a full body of work. If you truly believe that career lows (as a starter) in minutes played and games played is a full body of work this discussion is pointless.

# 234 Real2KInsider @ 09/02/15 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BluFu


	What else do you see? Who's winning a ring in 2016?

Don't need a crystal ball to know Kobe's achilles will never be the same.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/how-a...871/1453959464

This was all written BEFORE Kobe's lackluster 2015 campaign. He's another year older now. Keep refuting common sense though.

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	241... that's how many players played as many or more minutes than Kobe. You named the Spurs bench and a handful of other players... and Calderon lol.

It goes without saying that if I named one team's bench and there are 30 teams in the league.... (Math is hard, I know)

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	35 games last season is not a full body of work. 6 games before that is not a full body of work

Sorry, but you're just flat wrong here. Minutes played (the actual sample we are drawing from) is vastly more important than games played. You are still far off base implying that 35 games is anywhere close to the 10 Rose played in 2014 or the 6 George played this past season.

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	If you truly believe that career lows (as a starter) in minutes played and games played is a full body of work this discussion is pointless.

I don't think you have any clue what "full body of work" realistically means. Kobe will never play 82 games in a season again. The odds of him even making it through 60 (ala Dwyane Wade) are exceptionally low.
Wade hasn't had a "full body of work" in 5 years but you don't hear anyone making excuses for the 4-years younger player.
LOL did you also think Brandon Roy didn't have a "full body of work" in 2011?
Chauncey Billups played 61 games in three years after tearing his achilies at age 34. Did his limited "body of work" stop his natural decline?

Kobe's a skilled basketball player but he can't stop time or regenerate limbs. Get over it.

# 235 vtcrb @ 09/02/15 09:32 PM

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I see Rashidi keep trying to post things in circles and take up space on ANY Ratings discussions with his MIND Blowing Statistical Analysis. LOL

# 236 stillfeelme @ 09/02/15 10:16 PM

I can't wait to see the details of Kobe ratings because certain ratings shouldn't come back when you are 37 and they definitely don't come back after Achilles. Bed's has said before that the latest season plays the largest factor in the ratings but you are now talking about going back 3 years

On ball defense, vertical, speed they just don't come back to a pre-injured state when you are 37 to when you were 3 years younger. His defense was already dropping but last year man he didn't look good out there.

Last season Kobe was a high volume shooter, high usage rate, very, very low efficiency. If you compare his 2015 to 2013 season the thing that stands out is Kobe took 8% more jumpers last year and around 8% less shots at the rim. He also saw his at rim % drop from 69% FG to 56%

I am of the belief he couldn't get to the basket as well older age, lost step, lost vertical. He was a noticeable step slower to me.

The only thing I say is Kobe was still respectable on fadeaways he wasn't money but still effective.

# 237 J_Posse @ 09/02/15 10:54 PM

Kind of sad that such a strong bias remains in favor of Kobe. He's an all-time great player but his best days are long gone and the game should reflect that. Instead we see him being given the "benefit of the doubt" and his ratings boosted to aid his overall rating. Nothing about the Kobe of last season (or the year prior) suggests that he's an 85 overall.

Can't wait to see Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Tony Parker and Dwight Howard's overall ratings to see if they were given the "benefit of the doubt." And the negative reaction to Kobe's current overall rating, or the constant defending of it, is exactly why 2K won't drop his rating any further.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

# 238 BluFu @ 09/02/15 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	http://regressing.deadspin.com/how-a...871/1453959464

Great article (seriously, that should be shown to devs for injury enhancements in 2K17) but Wilkins came back and averaged 30

. Of course, he had less minutes under his belt but as the saying goes you just never know. You don't know how well Kobe will do next season.. so the ratings are based off what he's done. You know this... I know this... what's the debate about again?

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	It goes without saying that if I named one team's bench and there are 30 teams in the league.... (Math is hard, I know)

Alright let me walk you through this.. seems like you're having a hard time... 492 players played last season.. Kobe recorded the same amount (or less) than 241 of them.. 241 x 2 is... oh...

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	I don't think you have any clue what "full body of work" realistically means. Kobe will never play 82 games in a season again. The odds of him even making it through 60 (ala Dwyane Wade) are exceptionally low. Wade hasn't had a "full body of work" in 5 years but you don't hear anyone making excuses for the 4-years younger player. LOL did you also think Brandon Roy didn't have a "full body of work" in 2011? Chauncey Billups played 61 games in three years after tearing his achilies at age 34. Did his limited "body of work" stop his natural decline?

Of course there's no perfect number besides 82. "This is where common sense kicks in." Consistent 60 game seasons are enough to evaluate a player. Playing more than half of the season is a good start..

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Originally Posted by Rashidi


	Kobe's a skilled basketball player but he can't stop time or regenerate limbs. Get over it.

Get over what? You're complaining about his rating

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Originally Posted by stillfeelme


	I can't wait to see the details of Kobe ratings because certain ratings shouldn't come back when you are 37 and they definitely don't come back after Achilles. Bed's has said before that the latest season plays the largest factor in the ratings but you are now talking about going back 3 years

Well said. Only reason I went back another year is because that's all we've got unfortunately. 6 games just isn't enough.

# 239 vtcrb @ 09/02/15 11:11 PM

I think Kobe is the HARDEST Player to rate in the game. Honestly it could go either way with him. He could actually deserve a Rating of Low to Mid 80s rating IF he played to what his Strengths are at his Current Age. He should become more of a Facilitator and Feed his young teammates. Kobe has Tremendous Court Awareness and IQ and IF he Accepts he isnt the Player he used to be he could still be a VERY effective NBA Player. Maybe not the Kobe of Old, but still a top 50 player.

Alot will also Depend on IF 2k Added any New Attributes to the game, and What carries the most weight in their New Rating System.

# 240 BluFu @ 09/02/15 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by J_Posse


	Kind of sad that such a strong bias remains in favor of Kobe. He's an all-time great player but his best days are long gone and the game should reflect that. Instead we see him being given the "benefit of the doubt" and his ratings boosted to aid his overall rating. Nothing about the Kobe of last season (or the year prior) suggests that he's an 85 overall. Can't wait to see Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Tony Parker and Dwight Howard's overall ratings to see if they were given the "benefit of the doubt." And the negative reaction to Kobe's current overall rating, or the constant defending of it, is exactly why 2K won't drop his rating any further. from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

You're a Spurs fan, of course you hate Kobe

But seriously, this whole debate started from me trying to shed light on why his rating is the way it is for the guys who don't know... Players have been getting the benefit of the doubt for a while and 2K15 was no different.

Start of season
Rondo: 87 (!!) He only played 30 games the year before. 15.3 PER
DWill: 84 (!!) 64 games year before, averaged 14 and 6
Rose: 88 (!!) 10 games year before, avg 16 and 4
Tony: 88 (!) 68 games before, avg 17 and 6
Howard: 88 ... avg 18 and 12 in 71 games

Now
Rondo: 79 ... 68 games played (we know how those went)
DWill: 78 ... 68 games played (rating could drop even more at the start of 2K16)
Rose: 85 ... 51 games played, avg 18 and 5
Tony: 84 ... 68 games played, avg 14 and 4
Howard: 88 ... 41 games played

These guys all received the "benefit of the doubt" until a certain extent. If Kobe can consistently play games and does consistently bad, you'll definitely see his rating drop.

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