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MLB 15 The Show Player Ratings - Top Rated Players For Each Team

11:22 AM - March 6, 2015 by Steve_OS

During the latest MLB 15 The Show livestream the team showed the top rated players for each team. Check them out here and post your thoughts.

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# 61 eric7064 @ 03/07/15 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisac


	That's the one thing I wish the Show never did! I'd rather have as example( if Rizzo got traded back to Boston from Cubs I'd rather have his real portrait with a Cubs hat on than a generic picture with a Red Sox hat) JMO

Eww no I hated tha. 3-4 years in a franchise I'd have hats from all different clubs. Hated it. Love the new way they do iT.

# 62 Dolenz @ 03/07/15 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CubsWillRiseAgain


	I think itd be all bias if i just stood back "Ah RIZZOS DA BEST PLAYER" but i linked his fangraphs page, stated how he deserves a better rating. And if you're worried about his defense, i believe his numbers last year had him a terrfic first baseman..... Its not just offense (: And about the previous year thing, i dont think it matters much as they have Corey Kluber incredibly high (which he should be, he was freaking awesome lol)

I'm not worried about his defense. I was just pointing out that we don't know the formulas that the developers use to convert stats to rankings (contact/Power/speed/plate disc/etc) and then we don't know how much those skill rankings contribute to the overall.

All I am saying is that from the information we have the rankings are fair. We could argue about their criteria for ranking players all day long but it would all be speculation because none of know the full criteria.

# 63 WINdians @ 03/07/15 01:54 PM

I think I may have talked them into bumping Klubot up to a 90. Thanks @Russell_SCEA

# 64 nomo17k @ 03/07/15 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dolenz


	I'm not worried about his defense. I was just pointing out that we don't know the formulas that the developers use to convert stats to rankings (contact/Power/speed/plate disc/etc) and then we don't know how much those skill rankings contribute to the overall. All I am saying is that from the information we have the rankings are fair. We could argue about their criteria for ranking players all day long but it would all be speculation because none of know the full criteria.

It's actually not very hard to recover the OVR formula themselves. Follow this (1) create a player at a position with all attribute values fixed at a low value, say 25, and record his OVR; (2) pick one attribute value and edit it to some value, like 75 and record his new OVR. (3) Use the following formula

Code:

     (new OVR) - (old OVR)
------------------------------------------------  = coefficient used for that attribute in OVR
(new attribute val) - (old attribute val)

This gives you OVR increase per attribute value at the specific position.

You repeat this process for each attribute for each position, and you can recover the coefficients fairly accurately (at least for players who haven't received custom boosts... which might exists if we take what Luis said in the latest SDS stream).

So the OVR calculation itself isn't particularly mysterious or interesting, but it is still important since a lot of CPU logic seems to depend on it... like roster management, lineup logic, etc.

# 65 Dolenz @ 03/07/15 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nomo17k


	So the OVR calculation itself isn't particularly mysterious or interesting, but it is still important since a lot of CPU logic seems to depend on it... like roster management, lineup logic, etc.

The mysterious part is what stats they feed into the system for the real players and how those stats get interpreted into the more standard ratings like Plate Vision, Plate Discipline, BR Ability, Reaction, etc etc

# 66 nomo17k @ 03/07/15 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dolenz


	The mysterious part is what stats they feed into the system for the real players and how those stats get interpreted into the more standard ratings like Plate Vision, Plate Discipline, BR Ability, Reaction, etc etc

Even that part isn't THAT mysterious... we could of course argue about the very details, but SDS does rather sensible things based mostly on traditional stats. There has been a lot of information revealed on how player attribute system works both in the in-game Strategy Guide as well as discussions here on OS, and I don't see a whole a lot of mystery, tough there may be quite a bit of subjectivity in how some players are rated in some attributes.

# 67 Cavicchi @ 03/07/15 02:51 PM

Kluber being B potential and rated 90 ovl confuses me, 90 being what an A represents.

Billy Hamilton with his 99 speed and 99 steal ability also confuses me. He stole 56 bases and was caught stealing 23 times last year. I don't know their formula, but Stanton did better than that and got 57 for speed. Stanton stole 13 bases and was caught just once last year.

So Justin Upton is a better overall fielder than Stanton, and even has a better arm. I dunno, seems to me Stanton is underrated with regard to his speed and arm, and quite possibly reaction as well.

# 68 Ghost Of The Year @ 03/07/15 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavicchi


	Kluber being B potential and rated 90 ovl confuses me, 90 being what an A represents. Billy Hamilton with his 99 speed and 99 steal ability also confuses me. He stole 56 bases and was caught stealing 23 times last year. I don't know their formula, but Stanton did better than that and got 57 for speed. Stanton stole 13 bases and was caught just once last year. So Justin Upton is a better overall fielder than Stanton, and even has a better arm. I dunno, seems to me Stanton is underrated with regard to his speed and arm, and quite possibly reaction as well.

It's important for speed rating & basestealing rating to be completely separate; Hamilton's speed rating should be close to or 99, but his 99 steal rating must be having a lingering effect from his short 2013 season.
It's interesting to note Baseball Cube give Stanton a 37 speed & Hamilton a 100. Fangraphs give Stanton a 67 speed & Hamilton a 90. Marry the two & Stanton would be a 52 & Hamilton a 95. In any event, while Hamilton's speed should be lightyears ahead of Stanton, Stanton should have a better basestealing rating.

# 69 Cavicchi @ 03/07/15 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year


	It's important for speed rating & basestealing rating to be completely separate; Hamilton's speed rating should be close to or 99, but his 99 steal rating must be having a lingering effect from his short 2013 season. It's interesting to note Baseball Cube give Stanton a 37 speed & Hamilton a 100. Fangraphs give Stanton a 67 speed & Hamilton a 90. Marry the two & Stanton would be a 52 & Hamilton a 95. In any event, while Hamilton's speed should be lightyears ahead of Stanton, Stanton should have a better basestealing rating.

So they completely overlooked what Hamilton did last year regarding his ability to steal bases?

Oh, I agree Hamilton is faster than Stanton, but I think Stanton is faster than 57. If you consider Fangraphs underrated Hamilton's speed, then I think you can also consider they underrated Stanton's speed. You can give Hamilton a 99 for speed, and I think Stanton should be around 70 for speed--he's not that effective stealing bases with just 57 speed, in my opinion.

# 70 nomo17k @ 03/07/15 07:42 PM

Part of the reason why BR Ability seems surprising at times when compared to real-life SB success % is that the success rate itself is not purely a reflection of a player's ability to steal.

If you are known as a great base stealer, the defense will be alert and in turn more often than not he will be attempting steals when the circumstances are rather against him, even though his natural ability to steal still is great.

On the other hand, someone like Stanton is not known as much of a stealer, so he affords to steal when the defense is not ready for it. So that may be a factor for his high success.

As a Met fan I cannot avoid mentioning Kevin McReynolds in this regard... Although he was a terrific athlete overall, by looks he seemed big and kinda slow, but from 1987 - 1988 he wad an amazing run of SB success, going 35 SB while being caught only once. But before and after McReynolds was never really a great stealer.

So BR Ability doesn't necessarily factor in that kind of aspect as well at times. It's often difficult to define whether a SB success is based on natural ability vs. surprise factor for a guy like him.

# 71 HozAndMoose @ 03/07/15 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nomo17k


	Part of the reason why BR Ability seems surprising at times when compared to real-life SB success % is that the success rate itself is not purely a reflection of a player's ability to steal. If you are known as a great base stealer, the defense will be alert and in turn more often than not he will be attempting steals when the circumstances are rather against him, even though his natural ability to steal still is great. On the other hand, someone like Stanton is not known as much of a stealer, so he affords to steal when the defense is not ready for it. So that may be a factor for his high success. As a Met fan I cannot avoid mentioning Kevin McReynolds in this regard... Although he was a terrific athlete overall, by looks he seemed big and kinda slow, but from 1987 - 1988 he wad an amazing run of SB success, going 35 SB while being caught only once. But before and after McReynolds was never really a great stealer. So BR Ability doesn't necessarily factor in that kind of aspect as well at times. It's often difficult to define whether a SB success is based on natural ability vs. surprise factor for a guy like him.

Which would explain this

# 72 Ghost Of The Year @ 03/07/15 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavicchi


	So they completely overlooked what Hamilton did last year regarding his ability to steal bases?

Without knowing their formula, it appears that way, which is just wrong IMO
Of course I could be way off base in assuming their formula is even remotely close to my own.

# 73 Cavicchi @ 03/07/15 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nomo17k


	Part of the reason why BR Ability seems surprising at times when compared to real-life SB success % is that the success rate itself is not purely a reflection of a player's ability to steal. If you are known as a great base stealer, the defense will be alert and in turn more often than not he will be attempting steals when the circumstances are rather against him, even though his natural ability to steal still is great. On the other hand, someone like Stanton is not known as much of a stealer, so he affords to steal when the defense is not ready for it. So that may be a factor for his high success. As a Met fan I cannot avoid mentioning Kevin McReynolds in this regard... Although he was a terrific athlete overall, by looks he seemed big and kinda slow, but from 1987 - 1988 he wad an amazing run of SB success, going 35 SB while being caught only once. But before and after McReynolds was never really a great stealer. So BR Ability doesn't necessarily factor in that kind of aspect as well at times. It's often difficult to define whether a SB success is based on natural ability vs. surprise factor for a guy like him.

On the other hand, Hamilton may simply not be as good at stealing bases as first thought. Of course all defenses will be alert, but it still takes a throw to get that 99 speed guy. If I apply your thinking to all players, you could say so-and-so doesn't bat higher because he doesn't get pitches to hit, but we think he's a better hitter so let's give him a 99 for contact. Show me the numbers and I'm with you. I don't care what hitters or pitchers do in the minors, I care what they do in the majors. Now don't get me wrong, I realize that there has to be some basis for rookies, and the minors has to be used, but once they are in the majors, then that's what matters most to me. I'm sure the defenses in the minors knew about Hamilton, but this is the majors.

With Stanton, if he's that slow, 57 speed, it shouldn't take the same kind of throw to get him out. Catchers who can throw out a speedster like Hamilton, should be able to nail a "slowpoke" like Stanton. 13-1 is pretty darn good for a 57 speed guy.

# 74 catswithbats @ 03/07/15 09:22 PM

The overall/potential reactions are always fun. I usually just go in and tweak the guys I think need tweaking. Maybe Anibal Sanchez will finally be A-potential/OVR this year.

# 75 Gagnon39 @ 03/07/15 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisac


	Rizzo 84 and Castro 80 with Baez a 77? yikes!

That's what I said as well. The fact that Baez is rated higher than Soler leaves me wondering if the person doing the ratings has ever watche either of those players bat/play.

# 76 catswithbats @ 03/07/15 09:54 PM

I was just looking at the Tigers' ratings and noticed something... Why is Verlander a year older than Cabrera? They were both born in '83 (Verlander in February, Cabrera in April). Is this just because Cabrera hasn't had his birthday yet in the game?

(Also the reason I bring this up is I'm 100% sure that I've seen Verlander and Cabrera both retire in the same year during the offseason in franchises of mine, and they should be the same age at that point, but Verlander is still shown as a year older.)

# 77 CubsWillRiseAgain @ 03/07/15 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gagnon39


	That's what I said as well. The fact that Baez is rated higher than Soler leaves me wondering if the person doing the ratings has ever watche either of those players bat/play.

it kind of amazes me too that they undervalue soler as much as they do. he slaughtered the ball all year including in the majors in september.

# 78 bronxbombers21325 @ 03/07/15 10:32 PM

In my experience playing The Show. It seems like overall numbers mean very little.

# 79 MetsFan16 @ 03/07/15 10:36 PM

Could be my bias but my Mets players gotta be higher. Duda hit 30 hrs last year, Lagares won a Gold Glove, Murphy was an All Star. Yet none of them were in the top 10 at their position

# 80 Knight165 @ 03/07/15 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MetsFan16


	Could be my bias but my Mets players gotta be higher. Duda hit 30 hrs last year, Lagares won a Gold Glove, Murphy was an All Star. Yet none of them were in the top 10 at their position

I'm as much of a Met fan as anyone....none of those guys are top 10. Duda is closest.....but at a pretty stacked position.
Is he really better than...?

Miguel Cabrera
Paul Goldschmidt
Jose Abreu
Joey Votto
Freddie Freeman
Edwin Encarnacion
Anthony Rizzo
Mike Napoli
Adrian Gonzalez
Carlos Santana
(that's MLB Networks top 10)

...and while you can make a case for Lagares as a premier defensive CF...his offensive output puts him behind the 8 ball as far as the leagues best CF'ers.
Maybe this year if he breaks out a bit....

M.K.
Knight165

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