Ramone was talking about Gordon being the same as Upton. Maybe he can come through and get him raised up a couple more points. Interested to see what Cains defensive ratings are. He is the best defensive center fielder in the AL.
How Starling Castro a 3x all star is only an 80 boggles my mind. At least higher then Cabrera aybar and older Rollins. Escobar is to high.
Ill agree Escobar is probably a bit to high. But i assume SS gets rated better for its defense. And Castro isnt all that great in that area. Which is what is bringing him down most likely. Move him to 1B and you would see his OVR climb.
Pablo Sandoval isn't on the Giants anymore and I'm still surprised he's not in the top 10...I feel like he definitely should be. Potential Gold Glover and Good hitting and some power.
But glad to see Posey at the top of Catchers and to see MadBum and Pence up there!
Billy Hamilton? He and his .254 career batting avg. is a better CF then Adam Eaton, Marcell Ozuna, Dexter Fowler? just to name a few. And Cabrera is still overrated, he can hit for sure but can't run, field or throw so him being a 99 is just wrong.
Billy Hamilton? He and his .254 career batting avg. is a better CF then Adam Eaton, Marcell Ozuna, Dexter Fowler? just to name a few. And Cabrera is still overrated, he can hit for sure but can't run, field or throw so him being a 99 is just wrong.
Different positions weight stats differently. Reason Hamilton is rated higher is because of his speed/fielding ability mainly. Same with Cabrera, I've heard Nick say in the streams that high power and contact are weighted much more at 1st than other positions. You make Cabrera a RF and he's probably not a 99, similar with Hamilton. Make him a 2nd baseman as an example, and he takes a ratings hit.
For everyone saying Sandoval should be a top 10 3rd baseman, I have to disagree. Take a look at his stats, they have been trending downward (with the exception of 2010) since he came into the league. His OPS is 13th and AVG is 9th. There is also a clear trend toward rating a person's potential. Ruiz, Gomes, McCann and Wieters over Russell Martin? I don't think so. Billy Hamilton is the 8th best Center Fielder? Maybe when he gets on base, but he doesn't even do that well. Should stolen bases and speed count so high for a mediocre hitter?
Catchers are looking underrated this year. Salvador Perez at 82, lower than McCann? Mesoraco at 81?
I think Catcher is a heavily defense-rated position, too. McCann didn't have a great batting average but he had more power numbers than pretty much anyone, and was above average defensively.
Ramone was talking about Gordon being the same as Upton. Maybe he can come through and get him raised up a couple more points. Interested to see what Cains defensive ratings are. He is the best defensive center fielder in the AL.
Gordon is tough to rate in the game because his traditional stats don't look too sexy. There's a huge WAR discrepancy between Upton and Gordon, but so much of that comes from Gordon's fielding ability, which is cancelled out by Upton's power (which is weighted more heavily for COF's). I bet if you move Gordon to CF or SS (lol) he is probably one of the best players in the game.
Compare that to Kyle Seager (77 OVR last year), who got a huge boost because he improved in categories that are valued at 3B.
I don't pay that much attention to the OVR in game, but they do matter from what I have read regarding the AI's decision in game so I guess they should matter in some way. I've actually tried to pay more attention to them the last few years since the AI apparently uses OVR for things like lineup creation etc.
The only player I really have an issue with is Anthony Rizzo. I know that the past 3 years are used and his 2013 was mediocre for a 1st baseman, but he led all 1st baseman in fWAR last year and feels like one of those players that deserves a bump due to his recent "breakout" performance. It seems weird to see him ranked below someone like Chris Davis, who technically has a higher fWAR over the past 3 years due to his monster 2013, but last year was only worth 0.5 fWAR compared to Rizzo's 5.6 fWAR. Sometimes I really agree with using the 3 year system, but others I feel it undermines a player's recent or past performance.