09:40 PM - June 11, 2014 by RussoThe first gameplay video of NHL 15 on new-gen consoles has surfaced from E3. Give it a watch and let us know what you think!
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09:40 PM - June 11, 2014 by RussoNHL 15 Videos
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# 61
gabbers895 @ 06/12/14 02:02 PM
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I feel like such an idiot....no wonder that looked so much worst than the first one...
*facepalm*
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Don't even get me started on the notion that guys who are notoriously vigorous fore checkers should hound you with pressure (like in NBA when the AI puts on the full court press) or that guys like Ovechkin should be exiting the zone, looking for the home run pass as soon as possession changes. Getting individual player tendencies is a pipe dream. We can't even get the vague differentiation of EA just having three unique skating strides with one assigned to each player. Individual behavior is for PS5 or PS6 it seems. Hell, how about simply having the ability to go into an all out sprint, continue skating WHILE also stick handling, or handle the puck with one hand while fighting off a check or skating through open ice? I guess this generation of console isn't powerful enough for any of that either.
Next is the more in depth equipment options you talked about. Sure, this is very minor compared to the myriad gameplay problems, but since it seems like the gameplay problems aren't being addressed anyways, you would figure that the next gen consoles at least have the power to bring player likeness to a new level by allowing things like Ovechkin to have the tongue of his skates flopped or the white tape over the toe of the blade. Maybe let him tuck his jersey into his elbow pads (even though the NHL outlawed that; they outlawed regular jersey tucks as well, but guaranteed EA will have players who don't even tuck their jersey wearing them tucked in the game). Like I said above, what does it matter if the Verizon Center looks 99% authentic, the crowd looks live and animated, the NBC broadcast team is green screened in and the NBC overlays make it look like a real broadcast but... Ovechkin looks just like Brouwer who looks just like Alzner who looks just like Fehr and Holtby plays exactly the same style as Jonathan Quick on the other end of the ice? They all tape their sticks and socks the same way, wear their jerseys the same way, skate the same way, handle the puck the same way, shoot the same way and despite a difference in ratings, all move at roughly the same speed and do everything pretty equally. With no player differentiation, both aesthetically and in terms of how it feels to handle Jason Chimera versus Nik Backstrom, all of the NBC overlays, Doc and Eddie green screen, arena detail and authentic audience is just fluff that's meant to detract from the fact that the on ice product is the same as it has been for years now.
The presentation overhaul should have began with the players and the way they move and handle the puck, and how their gear makes them look unique from one another, not with creating fans that wear face-paint, which shouldn't be there in the first place. When I watch hockey on TV, I can tell Kopitar from Brown from Gaborik, without looking at their numbers, because of how they wear their gear and have different skating strides. If you took the names/numbers off the jerseys in the NHL series I wouldn't have a clue who is who. They all do everything the same and look identical. So once more, I ask, what good is having authentic arenas and audiences - essentially the accessories for the main event, which is what's ON the ice - if the actual product on the ice doesn't look authentic at all? The audience and arenas will be welcome additions, but they should have been done AFTER the players were perfected. Instead, they're improving the bells and whistles while ignoring the core of the presentation, which is the players. We got jerseys that move when the players are standing still, as if there was a strong breeze blowing, and 9,000 unique fans, many of whom wear face paint (can't get over this, what possesses them to make 1/10 of the fans in every arena wear face paint? Hockey fans don't do that) when we should have gotten different skating strides and more aesthetic differentiation between players. I don't care how realistic the stage looks if the action on the stage looks like an arcade game. When Nash, Boyle, Hagelin and Kreider all look the same on the ice, it looks like an arcade game. The presentation is still terrible when the player are all clones of one another. All the other stuff is just window dressing around a main event that is lacking.
Alright its hard to critic this game based on this 2min (poor quality) clip however, there is one blatant thing i noticed that should be tweaked for the final build.
The "living crowd" looks robotic. They do not seem smarter than the nhl 14 crowd at all. its 2min into the second period and most of the crowd is standing flailing there arms in unison. "Living crowds" should be reactive to situations. When there is a minute left in the game and your down at home the crowd should stand. When there is a big hit or an injury the crowd closest to the hit/injury should stand and react. Goal...crowd should erupt. In between everything else the majority of the crowd should be seated chanting, booing, cheering or leaving there seats.
The "living crowd" looks robotic. They do not seem smarter than the nhl 14 crowd at all. its 2min into the second period and most of the crowd is standing flailing there arms in unison. "Living crowds" should be reactive to situations. When there is a minute left in the game and your down at home the crowd should stand. When there is a big hit or an injury the crowd closest to the hit/injury should stand and react. Goal...crowd should erupt. In between everything else the majority of the crowd should be seated chanting, booing, cheering or leaving there seats.
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Would really like to see a much improved BaGM....EA neglected the offline gamers for so long!
# 66
bad_philanthropy @ 06/12/14 02:29 PM
I like the visual upgrades—although the kerning on the numbers is horrible and needs fixing.
I saw some nice things with the puck.
The gameplay is hard to judge, as this is probably on rookie with all the arcade settings on. Nothing really wows me about the video, but I can't wait to give it a try in September and see how the series is shaping up going forward.
I saw some nice things with the puck.
The gameplay is hard to judge, as this is probably on rookie with all the arcade settings on. Nothing really wows me about the video, but I can't wait to give it a try in September and see how the series is shaping up going forward.
# 67
The Amaizen Blue @ 06/12/14 02:35 PM
If only we could get the guys from MLB The Show to make an NHL game...
That series has nailed gameplay AND graphics.
That series has nailed gameplay AND graphics.
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In my situation I would be completely satisfied if I could just play this game again and feel like I'm being challenged. I shouldn't have to create house rules just to play the game (dumping the puck in on purpose, not shooting off the rush every time, not flinging the puck to the far blue line as a breakout, etc). I've been at that point the past few years. That throws fun right out of the window and completely ruins the experience. I still haven't figured out how people can actually have fun by forcing themselves to do things to make up for the inadequate AI, especially because some of these mentioned areas have been the exact same since 07. Some of these issues are just so easy to see and it's almost like EA just doesn't want to fix them because it will turn people away. That's why I just don't get why they can't put in more sliders or make the CPU neutral zone more aggressive on higher difficulties. It honestly makes 0 sense to me.
# 69
@legendm0de @ 06/12/14 03:08 PM
no bueno looks like i'll still have to be tinkering the hell out of this game still. I can bring the new gen qualities out from what they have here presumably but they still allow to much BC into this game.
I can't stand directional passing either, how can you claim real puck physics when passes are made tape to tape at 20 degree angles just by tapping R2 or whatever pass button is. The puck should be free and loose to control like in real life, and easing the level should not make this change. Thats like if rookie level of Madden allowed any QB to throw darts 70 yards down the field every time. Easing the level should effect the creativity, intelligence and skill level of CPU AI but now make the puck move this unrealistic. In fact the skill level doesn't even exactly have anything to do with this type of pass accuracy, that's a slider setting that has to be minimized.
Still much more remains to be seen\
And those refs look god awful, I would stay away from this version if they are going to look like that in the final build.
I can't stand directional passing either, how can you claim real puck physics when passes are made tape to tape at 20 degree angles just by tapping R2 or whatever pass button is. The puck should be free and loose to control like in real life, and easing the level should not make this change. Thats like if rookie level of Madden allowed any QB to throw darts 70 yards down the field every time. Easing the level should effect the creativity, intelligence and skill level of CPU AI but now make the puck move this unrealistic. In fact the skill level doesn't even exactly have anything to do with this type of pass accuracy, that's a slider setting that has to be minimized.
Still much more remains to be seen\
And those refs look god awful, I would stay away from this version if they are going to look like that in the final build.
I honestly went from buying this game to probably renting since I watched this video. I haven't played an NHL game in a little over a year and besides the graphics and presentation package, it looks the same as NHL 13 to me.
# 71
AdamJones113 @ 06/12/14 03:39 PM
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Oh geez! Same robotic goalies with absolutely none seperation in styles. Is it really that hard EA? I mean 2K brought us humanlike and great range of styles in year 2007...7 years ago! 2K8 goalies are still the best we've seen and it just shouldn't be like that.
I am really ****ing disappointed right now. Presentation and crowd looks great. And well that's all.
Same promises every year. "It's probably played on rookie level". Nah. It just sucks.
I am really ****ing disappointed right now. Presentation and crowd looks great. And well that's all.
Same promises every year. "It's probably played on rookie level". Nah. It just sucks.
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You are absolutely correct in saying the goalies are horrid yet again and that is easily seen in those two minutes of gameplay. The same split save animations from point blank shots, the same suction when goalies cover the post, and the same non fluid and unnatural butterfly movement around the crease. I don't care if it's just two minutes of gameplay, the goalies are the exact same and it's easily seen. People who don't see it just don't want to see it. They're not going to magically change on All Star or Superstar hahaha. I didn't expect them to change though because it wasn't on their list of improvements.
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# 76
actionhank @ 06/12/14 10:00 PM
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I didn't find the video all that impressive, but that's nothing new for me. None of the early NG footage blew me away, but when I first played the games, the difference was striking (and not just visually). More than anything, I'm having a hard time getting past the gigantic puck shadow. It makes everything look bad!
This is laughable. Just stop.
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# 78
jaateloauto @ 06/13/14 11:42 AM
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#1 issue with this game since EASHL was introduced has been that the goalies are awful. That's been what, 5 years? When will EA decide to do something about the goalies?
NHL 2K had goalies since 2K8 that are god mode to anything EA has been able to produce, only putting in minor effort to them year after year. And difficulty doesn't matter, the goalies will act the same way from rookie to superstar. Animations and their approach isn't going to suddenly do a 180.
Brushing it aside because 'you only saw 2 minutes of gameplay' is a ridiculous thing to do. And yeah, I haven't bought NHL 14 because they haven't done anything about the goalies.
# 79
bad_philanthropy @ 06/13/14 11:51 AM
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Similarly, I saw the same arcady thing from the NHL 14 E3 videos (complete with horrible puck shadow), and I knew it would be much better once I got my hands on it and messed with sliders.
Regarding gameplay, anything we see is pretty useless. We'll only know if the generational jump is successful for NHL when we get it in our hands.
For visuals I think it is worthwhile to critique the horrible looking numbers, glitchy jersey fabric, and some clunky legacy animations at this point.
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The interaction between the shooter and the goalie is a key building block for a realistic hockey experience. At least it is to me. I can understand why EA wouldn't touch their goalies because it would drastically change the "feel" of their games, which are commercially and critically successful.
If anything, the goalies have regressed over the years, as the developers occasionally add some new desperation saves for them to use inappropriately.
I will buy it because it's the only hockey game available but I'll reserve the right to be grumpy about it. I was sort of expecting a new experience on my $500 console. *shrug*
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