05:23 PM - September 26, 2013 by FloorGeneral
Here is the official statement from EA Sports:
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NCAA Football 14 News Post
05:23 PM - September 26, 2013 by FloorGeneralHere is the official statement from EA Sports:
NCAA Football 14 Videos
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Players would have the option like baseball and hockey to turn pro without being required to attend college to improve their prospects. Sure the NCAA would lose money and appeal, but if things don't go their way, they will be losing money to players as opposed to keeping all their reduced revenue & profits for themselves.
I guess it isn't quite as big of a deal to me as I thought it would be. It probably is because of the fact that I figured a few games weren't going to make the cross over to next-gen, and thought NCAA might have been one of them. I doubt this means we will never see a college football game again, but until the likeness stuff has been settled, publishers will probably want to stay away.
Again though, as long as college football is as big of a sport as it is, publishers will stay interested. Let's all just root for this likeness stuff to be settled and cross our fingers that does the trick.
Again though, as long as college football is as big of a sport as it is, publishers will stay interested. Let's all just root for this likeness stuff to be settled and cross our fingers that does the trick.
I would be okay with players getting paid, so long as they made both football and school their "jobs." Any players seeking payment/endorsements/entitlements must maintain a 3.5 minimum GPA (hell, make it 3.75), and they must graduate or risk having to pay back whatever they were given.
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ntmeangreen11 @ 09/27/13 01:10 PM
Good. I will sleep better knowing some of the people who have made this stagnant game and blatantly ignored its fanbase are now out of jobs. $65 a year for what has been the same game since 2004 and has never showed progress. Give me an fn break.
What we can all hope for is that 2K will make a game with fictional teams that is actually worth a damn. Or once players are finally getting paid and the NCAA can negotiate a new license 2K hops on it and EA isn't given the chance again.
What we can all hope for is that 2K will make a game with fictional teams that is actually worth a damn. Or once players are finally getting paid and the NCAA can negotiate a new license 2K hops on it and EA isn't given the chance again.
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But I agree. EA as a whole has ignored Madden and NCAA for years. Adding junk to it that no one wants and touting it as some big feature. Yet ignoring gameplay every single year. Gameplay features were never hyped.
And they release the game basically as a beta test version and we are the testers. Except they slap a $60 price tag on the broken game. They read all these bugs/glitches/complaints and then issue a few patches and tuners, usually which cause other problems.
I haven't bought either NCAA or Madden in 2 years. Tired of wasting my money on a company that obviously does not care about their football games. They also let NBA Live go down the drain as well and become so bad, they cancelled it all together.
EA is capable of making good sports games. FIFA and NHL are very good from what I hear.
How is a free education the same as being "paid"? I've had several jobs that offer education benefits, none of them offer it in lieu of a salary.
Also how can you on one hand realize that many athletes wouldn't be able to get into these colleges without an athletic scholarship but fail to realize that a college education means nothing if you're not prepared to take advantage of it?
If the education is "payment" isn't it up to the school to make sure they're educating these kids? If you're just passing athletes without them going to class so they stay eligible you're cheating them out of their payment no? If it's about the education a kid who doesn't go to class and doesn't do the work shouldn't be allowed to stay at the school. People say take away their scholarship and make them pay for the school as if athletic scholarships aren't the school's way of getting unqualified athletes onto the football field and basketball court for no reason other than generating money for the school.
The other thing i've always taken issue with is the idea that they should be grateful for getting a "free education" at all. The point of going to college is to prepare you for your chosen career. If my chosen career is professional football or basketball player why should I be grateful that you gave me a free education in something else? If you plan to be a lawyer how valuable is an education in art history?
Also how can you on one hand realize that many athletes wouldn't be able to get into these colleges without an athletic scholarship but fail to realize that a college education means nothing if you're not prepared to take advantage of it?
If the education is "payment" isn't it up to the school to make sure they're educating these kids? If you're just passing athletes without them going to class so they stay eligible you're cheating them out of their payment no? If it's about the education a kid who doesn't go to class and doesn't do the work shouldn't be allowed to stay at the school. People say take away their scholarship and make them pay for the school as if athletic scholarships aren't the school's way of getting unqualified athletes onto the football field and basketball court for no reason other than generating money for the school.
The other thing i've always taken issue with is the idea that they should be grateful for getting a "free education" at all. The point of going to college is to prepare you for your chosen career. If my chosen career is professional football or basketball player why should I be grateful that you gave me a free education in something else? If you plan to be a lawyer how valuable is an education in art history?
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montycrook @ 09/27/13 01:24 PM
Dont know if this has been brought up or not, but here it goes. Some if not all of the people posting on here do not realize all the hidden money that these players get. And im not talking about under the table stuff either. You guys realize that most of these FBS schools and even FCS ones give out meal money after games because the cafeteria is usually closed on Saturdays. They also include a monthly stipend for things like rent that can range from form $700-$1000 a month. There is also pell-grant money they may receive, if they are on full-scholarship for football, which you are if you are at an FBS school, or any sport, well guess what, thats free $$$$. The problem is, and this is from speaking to a couple of former SEC football players, is that most of these guys run through this cash in like 2 or 3 days. Also there is the cash from going to bowl games also, if you dont fly they pay for your mileage. So the problem isnt they need money, its they need someone to show them how to manage it. You make a $1000 go along ways as a college student, especially if you have your housing paid for, and meals. Just my 2 cents.
Wouldn't it be better if football players, if they ever make it to the pro's, have something to fall back on before they retire?
Why not take advantage of a free ride when you are younger vs paying out of your own pocket when you are older?
For instance, let's say a player makes it in the pro's for two years and then is out of the NFL. Sure, they have the Canadian league, Euro league, etc...., but they retire before they are 30.
What will they do the rest of the 30 yrs of their life?
Not much in life is guaranteed, but I would assume you'd like that college degree buttoned up before you retire or are out of the game.
Why not take advantage of a free ride when you are younger vs paying out of your own pocket when you are older?
For instance, let's say a player makes it in the pro's for two years and then is out of the NFL. Sure, they have the Canadian league, Euro league, etc...., but they retire before they are 30.
What will they do the rest of the 30 yrs of their life?
Not much in life is guaranteed, but I would assume you'd like that college degree buttoned up before you retire or are out of the game.
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I know some of this post may be hyperbole, but please take your soapbox somewhere else with the 2k crap.
The thought that there was no progression in the series since 2004 is laughable and completely wrong. It just further solidifies my opinion that people on the internet do not understand the work that actually does go into developing some of these games.
If you have still paid $65.00 for the game, for the past 8 years and don't enjoy it every single year, then that's your problem.. it's a free market.
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GeauxTigers @ 09/27/13 01:55 PM
I wish they would consider doing some type of "patch" to '14 next year that would add in the upcoming four team playoff system ... perhaps even an update to team's schedules to reflect the actual '14 season and conference realignment (the last two aren't as important; but would really like the playoff for ongoing gameplay). I hope the individuals who do rosters every fall will continue to do them next year even if it's still using the '14 game.
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We all know there are busts in the draft in the first round.
If there is a developmental league, and HS kids bypass college and get paid until they are ready to go pro, what life to they have after football? No degree and washed up.
If they want a career outside of football, they will most likely need a degree.
Am I missing something?
One last thing I want to say on the subject -- and this is coming from someone who has argued over and over again that athletes should receive some kind of compensation...
If O'Bannon thought it was so wrong that he wasn't being paid to play, than he should have never freaking played in the first place. He knows what he signed up for. And while I respect anyone who disagrees with the rule (hell, I disagree with the rule), rules are there until they aren't. And in this case, the rule is that student athletes can't be compensated for their likeness. Because this selfish jerk wanted a few extra dollars in his pocket after the fact, thousands of gamers lose out, and that sucks.
Unless the NCAA starts paying players or allows them to make money off of their likeness, we will never see a college sports game again.
If O'Bannon thought it was so wrong that he wasn't being paid to play, than he should have never freaking played in the first place. He knows what he signed up for. And while I respect anyone who disagrees with the rule (hell, I disagree with the rule), rules are there until they aren't. And in this case, the rule is that student athletes can't be compensated for their likeness. Because this selfish jerk wanted a few extra dollars in his pocket after the fact, thousands of gamers lose out, and that sucks.
Unless the NCAA starts paying players or allows them to make money off of their likeness, we will never see a college sports game again.
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ntmeangreen11 @ 09/27/13 02:31 PM
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We'll agree to disagree. EA has ignored their fanbase for long enough on a game they knew would sell either way. I hope they get fisted by this lawsuit and never want to put their hands on a college game again.
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Being a professional athlete is a great aspiration but the overwhelming majority of Division 1 football players will not make it. If the only reason you're going to college is to make it the NFL, then you're setting yourself up for failure.
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The sim fanbase, the casual fanbase, teambuilder fanbase, MUT fanbase, etc....? I get your point, but there is more than one fanbase.
Change the parameters of an athletic scholarship, cover only costs that are related to the athletes sport, make them come out of pocket for everything else(room & board, tuition and books and all those other little charges) and then agree to pay the players for the NCAAs use of their likeness on merchandise and then stop using their likeness on merchandise(numbers are ok), the athlete can deal with the school or any other company that uses their likeness without paying, themselves. If your grades are good enough you could also get an academic scholarship, they already get the Pell Grant and they could take out loans to pay for the rest of their costs.
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C the Lyte @ 09/27/13 02:51 PM
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While we're on the Clowney kick, let's say he gets drafted into the top 5 this year. Highly likely, no? Does he then owe SC compensation for giving him the exposure he gained from them? We talk like these guys are victims for not getting paid. They're student athletes privelaged with a lot of things the average college student is not.
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But what can a profesional football player, retired and 45 years old, offer without a degree? What job do you think he sufficiently qualifies for with those skills to make the kind of money he was making during his playing days?
Is a Plan B really that bad of an idea? It's what's wrong with a lot of people. They only see what is in front of them, not 5 or 10 years down the road.
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: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really think especially in order to be funny
: a situation that is strange or funny because things happen in a way that seems to be the opposite of what you expected
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If an athlete doesn't make it to the pros then they have to figure out what to do with their life, that's on them just like every other student who doesn't make it in their chosen field. In no way does that change the fact that they're working and not being paid, you can't call the scholarship compensation when other students get the same benefits and none of the restrictions or responsibilities that apply to athletes.
More to the point, none of what you said addressed the fact that schools are admitting unqualified athletes and not educating them simply because those athletes can make money for the school. If you're not bringing them to the school to educate them then how is the education a payment?
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The point about them not being prepared is not that the athlete doesn't take advantage of it, it's that they're not capable of taking advantage. The best example is obviously dexter manley who left college illiterate. How was he going to take advantage of a college education? What value was the school providing to him?
What an athlete does with their money is of no concern to anyone just like what I do with my money is of no concern to anyone. Who cares if a guy made league minimum (around 300k I believe) for six years and couldn't handle his money?
The point about a law student being offered an education in art history is that you can't get a degree in being a pro athlete and the college coaches aren't there to prepare you for the pros. Preparation for an NFL or NBA career is a by product of that coach trying to win right now. So you're giving athletes an education in something they're not interested in and something that won't help them in their chosen career in most cases.
Also the athletes are not "privileged" they earned the scholarships.
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