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NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

10:24 AM - March 12, 2013 by Steve_OS

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Another NBA 2K13 roster update arrived today. Alvin Gentry is still the head coach of the Phoenix Suns, no sign of interim coach Lindsey Hunter. As Dyowman has pointed out, Aaron Brooks and Thomas Robinson are both wearing jersey #0. (Robinson should be #41)

As posted earlier this morning, the Air Jordan XX8's are available today as well.

Below are the list of changes.

Aaron Brooks, Houston Rockets (78) - Added to roster
Nick Young, Philadelphia 76ers -8 (65) Injured
Ramon Sessions, Charlotte Bobcats -20 (54) Injured
Richard Hamilton, Chicago Bulls -7 (66) Injured
Kirk Hinrich, Chicago Bulls -13 (60) Injured
Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers -14 (75) Injured
Caron Bulter, Los Angeles Clippers -6 (75) Injured
Zaza Pachulia, Atlanta Hawks -11 (52) Injured
Austin Rivers, New Orleans Hornets -10 (61) Injured
Mo Williams, Utah Jazz (78) Returns from injury
Amare Stoudemire, New York Knicks -12 (71) Injured
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic (75) Returns from injury
Tornike Shengelia, Brooklyn Nets (56) Returns from injury
Danny Granger, Indiana Pacers -11 (72) Injured
Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs -27 (60) Injured
Marcin Gortat, Phoenix Suns -12 (69) Injured
Sasha Pavlovic, Portland Trail Blazers -13 (44) Injured
Andrew Bogut, Golden State Warriors (79) Returns from injury

Players Still Missing

Kevin Jones (PF) - Cleveland Cavaliers
Jarvis Varnado (PF) - Miami Heat
Kevin Murphy (SG) - Utah Jazz
Julyan Stone (PG/SG) - Denver Nuggets
Ben Hansbrough (PG/SG) - Indiana Pacers
Aron Baynes (C) - San Antonio Spurs
Diante Garrett (SG) - Phoenix Suns
Mickael Gelabale (SF) - Minnesota Timberwolves
Chris Johnson (C/PF) - Minnesota Timberwolves
Kent Bazemore (SG/SF) - Golden St. Warriors
Tim Ohlbrecht (C) - Houston Rockets (Thanks Dyowman)

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# 61 ksuttonjr76 @ 03/13/13 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by giftedchick


	u took it too far

He can be an 80

. George Hill is actually a pretty solid, steady combo guard. 14.5 PPG (13th among PGs-3rd scoring option on a low scoring team), 3.9 RPG (6th among PGs), 4.8 APG, 2.8 AST/TO (7th among PGs), .95 SPG, and .38 BPG (8th among PGs).

Here's his season shotchart...
Click here.

Since the All-Star break, he took a slight dip in PPG, APG, and RPG, since Stephenson has picked up more of the defensive rebounding and fastbreak duties (a decision which has helped Indiana overcome their early season offensive woes). As a side note, Hill's APG may have decreased, but his A/T ratio has increased to 3.8 after the All-Star break. Hill primarily protects against kickouts after an offensive rebound (on defense) and fastbreak leakouts. As a result of shift in roles, his SPG (1.2) and BPG (.5) has increase while shooting 52.9 FG% and 43.8 3PT%.

Believe me when I say this...Indiana is no near what it should be rated

# 62 ksuttonjr76 @ 03/13/13 07:33 PM

@giftedchick, I'm not trying to be a butthead. Sorry about that. This conversation/disagreement reminds me exactly of how the 2K Insider blog used to be like. The blog had a nice checks and balances, because people couldn't make crazy recommendations without having to prove it to the other posters. Also, the Insider did communicate with the community, and he always came off as a cool dude to me.

That's why I get so angry that we have to use Twitter has a means to communicate with the Insider. The previous method worked, and it was efficient.

Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk HD

# 63 LD2k @ 03/13/13 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ksuttonjr76


	That's why I get so angry that we have to use Twitter has a means to communicate with the Insider. The previous method worked, and it was efficient.

The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

# 64 giftedchick @ 03/13/13 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ksuttonjr76


	@giftedchick, I'm not trying to be a butthead. Sorry about that. This conversation/disagreement reminds me exactly of how the 2K Insider blog used to be like. The blog had a nice checks and balances, because people couldn't make crazy recommendations without having to prove it to the other posters. Also, the Insider did communicate with the community, and he always came off as a cool dude to me. That's why I get so angry that we have to use Twitter has a means to communicate with the Insider. The previous method worked, and it was efficient. Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk HD

lol its cool... ive said before that the pacers are one of the main team i use online and i agree with you that theyre underrated/underskilled in this game... but imo george hill hasnt been much of a factor as he should be this season and i feel like dj could do the same or better given the same minutes.. i was surprised when they gave up collison in favour of him

# 65 ksuttonjr76 @ 03/13/13 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LD2k


	The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

Don't tease. To bring back the 2K Insider Blog or something similiar would be a step in the right direction for roster and accessory updates. Before it was discontinued, it had a pretty good roster/stat/accessory community. Also, it was the place where a global recommendation of a particular rating was made and the Insider followed through. I remembered that the change made the game soooooooooo much better online. Also, he would create polls to gauge the overall opinion of a particular player, before he made a major "shakeup" to particular rating.

IMHO, the blog made the Insider's job easier, because all the information he needed was right there in that blog. Plus, it made basketball that more fun for me to watch, because I was paying attention more to the "little things" about my squad.

# 66 H8terhatesU @ 03/14/13 02:42 PM

They should also update Deshawn Stevenson's 3pt rating. He's currently shooting .400% from the 3 point line compared to .285 from last season. His current 3pt rating still reflects last season.

# 67 mango_prom @ 03/14/13 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LD2k


	The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

I hope it's not some useless gimmick like some facebook/twitter thing to talk to the "insider". All we need are people that watch games and look at advanced stats. It's not like we're criticizing fancy details like shoe colors being off, but core elements of roster accuracy. So for example if Bosh is more skilled at close shots than Brook Lopez, that's not reflecting real basketball but some fantasy league that doesn't exist.

The same with tendencies and playbooks. And the fact that 2k simply renamed plays that were already broken in 2k12 while ignoring the real NBA when creating tendencies and ratings makes me think that it's probably not a matter of "hearing the community" or "streamlining roster updates", but more about a real lack of knowledge and/or interest in realistic rosters.

So hopefully the roster issue will not be used as a marketing gimmick to boost sales (I can think of a few nice slogans already). Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to.

Anyway, only speaking for myself...looking at the way rosters were handled this year I doubt that I'll be spending money on 2k14 unless there's some real improvement on core issues. Should AI playcalling remain broken for the 4th year straight, big market favourites like Amare being better defenders than the Nick Collisons of the league while broken plays and tendencies get copy/pasted to the next version again, I think 2k might lose quite a few customers.

# 68 Streaky McFloorburn @ 03/14/13 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mango_prom


	I hope it's not some useless gimmick like some facebook/twitter thing to talk to the "insider". All we need are people that watch games and look at advanced stats. It's not like we're criticizing fancy details like shoe colors being off, but core elements of roster accuracy. So for example if Bosh is more skilled at close shots than Brook Lopez, that's not reflecting real basketball but some fantasy league that doesn't exist. The same with tendencies and playbooks. And the fact that 2k simply renamed plays that were already broken in 2k12 while ignoring the real NBA when creating tendencies and ratings makes me think that it's probably not a matter of "hearing the community" or "streamlining roster updates", but more about a real lack of knowledge and/or interest in realistic rosters. So hopefully the roster issue will not be used as a marketing gimmick to boost sales (I can think of a few nice slogans already). Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to. Anyway, only speaking for myself...looking at the way rosters were handled this year I doubt that I'll be spending money on 2k14 unless there's some real improvement on core issues. Should AI playcalling remain broken for the 4th year straight, big market favourites like Amare being better defenders than the Nick Collisons of the league while broken plays and tendencies get copy/pasted to the next version again, I think 2k might lose quite a few customers.

Try to keep in mind that even if these areas have become a real point of emphasis, it may not be reflected perfectly in 2k14. Think about how many years it took them to solve their online stability issues even when it got to the point that they knew it could have a significant impact on sales. But they clearly were listening, and just a few short years after being one of the game's most constant sources of complaint, there's barely a peep about connection drops, not being able to get into a match, or unplayable amounts of lag.

It's much harder to change corporate culture (and budgets) than to physically do the work needed to improve, and I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, "Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to." It's probably most of them. Programmers and artists are the last people who are likely to maintain a peaceful state of mind when forced to deal with inconsistent data and compromised vision. Unless they have a habit of hiring folks who have great contempt for NBA basketball, even the previously uninitiated ones would probably learn enough about the area of the game they work on to recognize the same flaws we do.

I hope that people stick to their guns when they threaten not to buy the next game if certain issues aren't addressed, then make it known that they didn't purchase it for those reasons. That's where real consumer power lies.

# 69 mango_prom @ 03/14/13 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Streaky McFloorburn


	Try to keep in mind that even if these areas have become a real point of emphasis, it may not be reflected perfectly in 2k14. Think about how many years it took them to solve their online stability issues even when it got to the point that they knew it could have a significant impact on sales. But they clearly were listening, and just a few short years after being one of the game's most constant sources of complaint, there's barely a peep about connection drops, not being able to get into a match, or unplayable amounts of lag. It's much harder to change corporate culture (and budgets) than to physically do the work needed to improve, and I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, "Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to." It's probably most of them. Programmers and artists are the last people who are likely to maintain a peaceful state of mind when forced to deal with inconsistent data and compromised vision. Unless they have a habit of hiring folks who have great contempt for NBA basketball, even the previously uninitiated ones would probably learn enough about the area of the game they work on to recognize the same flaws we do. I hope that people stick to their guns when they threaten not to buy the next game if certain issues aren't addressed, then make it known that they didn't purchase it for those reasons. That's where real consumer power lies.

I agree with everything you've said and I don't expect perfection, not at all. Can't happen and it's not like stuff like synergy data will lead do definite conclusions on all topics, so I get that a lot of my complaints are subjective.

On the other hand, if someone gets significant minutes in Minnesota he should be in the game, simple as that. Also, while ratings and tendencies can not be objectively determined, there should be at least some logic behind it. I'm not talking about small differences in terms of +2,-1 or whatever. Scaling across the league should make sense, with ratings not based on reputation or popularity, but by comparing performance in categories relevant to certain in-game values.
So I'm not complaining about minor tweaks, but at least different tiers of skill shoud be acknowledged.

So for 2k14 I don't expect much, it would be enough if I could notice an attempt to fix these issues. There doesn't need to be a revolution, and a lot of the work is already done. 2k could literally copy/paste a lot of stuff regarding playbooks/rosters from community attempts.
And I'm not saying that everything about these projects is perfection, but issues like scaling attributes, formulas for ratings based on real stats, tested playbooks and so on have been adressed and could be a great foundation for future changes to how 2k handles rosters.

But in the end I also have to respect the opinions of many fans out there who want to enjoy a fast paced action game with their favourite NBA idols.
It's not my definition of a fun experience, but they've paid money for this game as well. So they have the same right as me, which means "sim" might continue to be not exactly the priority for future installments. In the end, 2k should care about how to attract the biggest market possible. If this means going more into a realism based direction, I'd love that for sure.

But even though I hope that a certain other company might release a more mature product sometime, you have to acknowledge that 2k is still in business, so their success proves that they do the right thing with their games.

# 70 jayska23 @ 03/15/13 02:06 AM

2K is embarrassing themselves that they still have this clown that they call the "2K Insider". I remember when the game was shipped he messed up the Dwight Howard trade he still had Josh McRoberts & messed up the trade deadline. I'm not sure how the guy still has a job after messing up common sense things, you could tell some random person that doesn't even play 2k do things like that. And there is no reason that there is still 11 people are missing it would be one thing if the Insider was sooo busy editing tons of players around the league every update but so far this month he's edited 6 players he edited 19 in February, seems like he's been super busy lately. The ratings are just as embarrassing I don't even want to go into them they're so embarrassing. Please 2K Sports were going into the next gen of gaming please hire someone that actually watches basketball.

# 71 mango_prom @ 03/15/13 06:08 AM

I think the main issue is not even that 2k might neglect whatever "sim" means (it's subjective after all), but that many basic aspects get ignored. And I get that much of potential freedom in designing a game is determined by the direction your company forces you into and the fact that their current approach has proven to be successful. So if you pitch ideas for any change, the answer might be "why?", and it's a valid one. If realism does not translate into sales, you won't convince anybody.

Still, 2k13 doesn't lack the fancy stuff, but the simplest things. So if a player drives left 60% of the time in real life and the game does not reflect that, complaining about this would be a bit excessive. But that's not the point. Even though I remember a 2k dev talking about exactly this kind of tendency mentioning Jason Terry as an example back for 2k10 or 11 I think. Nowadays it's Jay-Z...

You don't need to be an experienced software developer to simply take some unknown low rated free agent, change his name and appearance to Mickael Gelabale and put him on the Wolves.

You don't need to be a D1-level coach to simply test plays and delete all the broken ones. It's not rocket science. Or simply copy/paste them from another roster.

Your don't need to spend a lot of cash on fancy advanced game analysis where sites like hoopdata provide useful stats that could easily be converted to in-game ratings by tools that could easily be developed by anybody with basic programming knowledge.

You don't need to completely rebuild in-game AI if simply fixing the way plays get called and distributed could vastly improve a realistic game experience. Get rid of scripting and let touches and random specific play selection be all that matters.

So the touches issue might be harder to fix than I think. But all the other points have repeatedly been fixed by some random strangers on the internet who can do this in their free time after they're finished with their real job/uni/whatever. How hard can it be for a multi-million dollar company?

# 72 PPerfect_CJ @ 03/15/13 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LD2k


	The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???

# 73 mango_prom @ 03/16/13 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???

They could at least explain what's the problem. An honest "We're done, not much more coming for 2k13" would be better than claiming that "the insider" and even a "team" are "working" on roster updates.

# 74 Vni @ 03/16/13 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???

They are at the 'hearing' stage right now. They're hearing things.

# 75 Goffs @ 03/16/13 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LD2k


	The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

Cool! 2k insider finally gone? Better updates for lower tier teams and not just the top tier teams? I'll believe it when I see it...

# 76 mango_prom @ 03/16/13 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vni


	They are at the 'hearing' stage right now. They're hearing things.

And that's exactly the problem. You don't need a "hearing stage" to get the basic stuff right. Issues like scaling individual ratings/tendencies, testing plays before you put them into the game and maybe even add one or two missing players aren't something you need the community to "listen to" for.
You can't have a discussion about how good a player shoots from a certain spot on the floor or how often he drives to the basket.
Opinions don't matter, there are facts you either reproduce in you game or not. What should we talk about? "Is Kobe shooting 34% from 3 this year?"...it doesn't matter what our opinion is. Doesn't change the facts. Rosters should be based on reality, not on online discussion, maybe by incorporating some twitter/facebook 2kinsider gimmick for 2k14...

It doesn't make any sense, "listening" wouldn't even be necessary if they knew what they're doing in the first place. We don't need 2k devs having daily meetings with everyone registered at OS to talk about roster updates. But what about watching games, looking up stats and testing plays before you assign them to a team? Why not base ratings and tendencies on the real NBA instead of some biased big market fantasy arcade game?

# 77 PPerfect_CJ @ 03/18/13 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???

Gee. I can't believe LD2K didn't answer my question....

# 78 JazzMan @ 03/18/13 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfect_CJ


	Gee. I can't believe LD2K didn't answer my question....

Oh I don't know, maybe because it's not his job to add the missing players into the roster.

# 79 PPerfect_CJ @ 03/19/13 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tyklug2013


	Oh I don't know, maybe because it's not his job to add the missing players into the roster.

Then whose job is it?! I'd think he would know THAT. Point is, we are all sick and tired of it. It's become a joke and that's really sad.

# 80 LD2k @ 03/19/13 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tyklug2013


	Oh I don't know, maybe because it's not his job to add the missing players into the roster.

Nope.

I did submit this thread for feedback to the Insider however.

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