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Where Are The Madden NFL 12 Tuner Sets and Online Franchise Roster Updates?

11:31 AM - November 27, 2011 by Steve_OS

Recently, we asked Justin Dewiel, Community Manager at EA Sports about online franchise roster updates and the promised Madden NFL 12 tuner sets. Here is his response.

Any updates for the Online Franchise Rosters?

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	We don't normally do online franchise roster updates during the season. There's one to start the season and one at the end.

What is the latest on Madden NFL 12 tuner sets?

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	No updates regarding tuners to pass along at this point.

As many of us already know, tuner sets and surprise onside kicks were announced back in February.

Based off of his response, do you think we see tuner sets for Madden NFL 12?

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# 41 DGuinta1 @ 11/28/11 10:57 PM

I hope with the two former OS employees now working for Tiburon will have a positive input on future iterations of both games. Shake things up a little. =}

# 42 Isura @ 11/28/11 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by havokeff


	What were the tuning sets actually supposed to do?

There were 4 tuners in NCAA 11 iirc. They fixed and tweaked issues like player progression in dynasty. How I understand it is patches fix fundamental bugs, tuners adjust gameplay variables. From EA's perspective there's really no "need" to release tuners since they believe the game already works how football is supposed to.

# 43 rudyjuly2 @ 11/29/11 05:57 AM

It's amazing to me how the EA football teams have implemented tuner sets and then never really used them. The NCAA team only updates a tuner set with a patch so what's the point? Just put it in the patch then! Tuner sets were designed as a quick mini-patch that didn't cost EA any money to fix obvious things and they don't use it. They need to go ask the NHL team how to do this right.

# 44 steelernation28 @ 11/29/11 02:52 PM

This crap will go on and on until we as consumers stop buying their product. They don't care, haven't for a while now. Yet we buy because we need some football! EA's bottom line must suffer, and we are the only ones capable of inflicting the kind of financial damage it takes for companys like EA to open their eyes. Skip a year and wright this listing ship that is EA football, 'cause I will not be buying next year anyway.

# 45 BlackJackRabbit @ 11/30/11 12:40 PM

So they basically lied, at least thus far, about M12 having tuner sets. It's one thing to implement a feature and not have it work as advertised, which Tiburon has done more often than not, but to not have the feature at all ,when tuner sets was one of the first two features announced, is inexcusable; it's also shows that EA just doesn't care.

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Originally Posted by bigsmallwood


	This is really poor and the reason why people don't respect Madden or the Dev team. Anybody who tries to defend their actions at this point is just delusional....smh

Yeah, I'd like to see the apologists come the EA's aid on this one. This is a blatant lie; it's not subject to anyone's interpretation. It's a bold face lie !

# 46 bigsmallwood @ 11/30/11 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackJackRabbit


	So they basically lied, at least thus far, about M12 having tuner sets. It's one thing to implement a feature and not have it work as advertised, which Tiburon has done more often than not, but to not have the feature at all ,when tuner sets was one of the first two features announced, is inexcusable; it's also shows that EA just doesn't care. Yeah, I'd like to see the apologists come the EA's aid on this one. This is a blatant lie; it's not subject to anyone's interpretation. It's a bold face lie !

Exactly! All these years into next gen and we are still being subjected to this mess of a game, instead of a polished product. Here is hoping for the NFL License being reintroduced to multiple development teams and studios! #competition

# 47 fletchamane @ 12/01/11 01:28 PM

Who the &!&@ tests this game, give me a week with this game I'd be able to point out all the problems especially in offline franchise (which was supposed to be the best one to date...)

# 48 SoulAssassin @ 12/01/11 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fletchamane


	Who the &!&@ tests this game, give me a week with this game I'd be able to point out all the problems especially in offline franchise (which was supposed to be the best one to date...)

Everyone who bought this game on launch day were the testers.... much like NCAA12.

# 49 MaddenAddict1010 @ 12/03/11 03:10 PM

WE PAID MONEY TO PLAY WITH THE REAL ROSTERS YALL SHOULD TAKE TIME AND UPDATE ONLINE FRANCHISE ROSTERS EVERY WEEK ITS REDICULOUS

# 50 MaddenAddict1010 @ 12/03/11 03:17 PM

madden 13 BETTER HAVE SOME NEW ONLINE FRANCHISE FEATURES OR IM NOT BUYING IT.

# 51 Gotmadskillzson @ 12/03/11 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkpkp


	This is one of the few posts in this entire thread I think gets at the right idea. I think it's a legal issue, a bug issue, or what they want to fix cannot be adjusted via tuners. In short, I think they probably want to use tuners. But they cant.

Well if their game is that messed up to the point they can't fix it via tuner or patch, then they should just come out and SAY SO. I rather people be honest and upfront about things, instead of not saying anything.

Take the MLB The Show community manager for example. When somebody asked about the position of the player shades on players faces, he was honest and up front about it and said WHY they couldn't fix it.

But with the Madden team and NCAA team you don't get that. What you get instead is denial that anything is even wrong with their games. It isn't until they dozens of videos and pictures of you specifically highlighting and pointing out the problem do they even pay attention and acknowledge what you are talking about.

Then they say they are working on it and immediately go quiet for the next 3 to 4 weeks. Pop up online and say it was submitted, give a vague description of what was fixed, then go quiet again.

Patch comes out, patch causes other issues, you tell them, they have vacated and you get the auto reply answer of well I will pass it along to the team for the rest of the year.

EA's SILENCE is the most irritating and annoying thing ever when it comes to problems with their games. They don't want to talk about them.

However they always want to talk about MUT packs, who should get a ratings boost, ratings decrease, who you think will win in the upcoming Saturday college football games, who you got on Sundays football games.

But fixing problems and issues with the game ? What ? What you say ? I can't hear you, you breaking up, got to go bye. No hablo ingles.

# 52 DUDERMAN @ 12/06/11 12:28 AM

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We don't normally do online franchise roster updates during the season. There's one to start the season and one at the end.

Normally? There were at least 2 updates in season for Madden 10. I don't remember seeing any for Madden 11. So I guess after one year, that's the norm now.

The whole reason they went server based (at least their explanation for it) was so they could update it between Maddens. So far, 2.5 years later, zero updates and now a max of two roster updates per year. I literally had to shake my head after typing that.

Oh, so your favorite player is Carson Palmer? Well you can play as the Raiders and... oh wait, sorry they didn't update the rosters yet. Well you can still play as the Bengals... nope that won't work either, they cut him from the online rosters to make room for the up and comer, Hope Bromley.

You want to play as your favorite team with accurate rosters, just wait until the season is over... you know, when fans' interest usually dies until the draft in April. That's a great way to run an online franchise.

They keep saying that they don't update the mode because of the few number of people who play it. Well I wonder why that is...

Not to mention problems with the salary cap (lack of), free agency (lack of), stat glitches, repeated schedules, disconnects, sliders (lack of), common key stats (lack of), roster sizes, and more I'm currently forgetting.

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I'm not even discussing any flaws from the game or things that need time to develop/fix. I'm talking about what should be simple updates. Tuners, by how they were explained, SHOULD be an easy update. Roster updates that are already complete SHOULD be easily and automatically included into online franchise.

On the smaller scale, even things like their "on demand" tab which is suppose to be updated with weekly NFL.com video content still has only 2 videos from before the season. Hell, I think the videos are from before the lockout ended. I don't need to see a video of how the Browns can turn things around for 2011 when I know they are 4-8 13 weeks into the season.

Again these are simple things that should be updated on a weekly basis with minimum work hours needed to complete. Instead they are an empty shell of what they call a "feature".

# 53 Phobia @ 12/06/11 12:53 PM

I think people need to realize Madden and NCAA is dead in the water with the current engines. The game needs to be re-created completely. New engines need to be written and designed with one goal in mind. Creating a replicate of NFL Sunday.

Until that happens everything else is a patch job on a series of engines with more issues than they will ever be able to repair to the point we want them to be at.

It sucks for all of us but that is just the hard truth in black and white.

This is a video I did months back. It is one single issue but the problem with this is there are dozens and dozens of issues such as these that are not small issues. But large gameplay issues.

# 54 K_GUN @ 12/06/11 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson


	Take the MLB The Show community manager for example. When somebody asked about the position of the player shades on players faces, he was honest and up front about it and said WHY they couldn't fix it.

yeah...that was me.

i actually was impressed by his response (i'm bummed but at least he was up front)

it is what it is

# 55 Gotmadskillzson @ 12/06/11 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia


	I think people need to realize Madden and NCAA is dead in the water with the current engines. The game needs to be re-created completely. New engines need to be written and designed with one goal in mind. Creating a replicate of NFL Sunday. Until that happens everything else is a patch job on a series of engines with more issues than they will ever be able to repair to the point we want them to be at. It sucks for all of us but that is just the hard truth in black and white. This is a video I did months back. It is one single issue but the problem with this is there are dozens and dozens of issues such as these that are not small issues. But large gameplay issues.

Sad really considering there are dozens of videos like this that has been made over the past 3 or 4 years now. But yet these same problems are still in the game.

To me route mirroring seems much worse in Madden 12 then it was in the past. Maybe that was their way of fixing zone coverage and man coverage, they just increase route mirroring by a factor of 10.

# 56 Phobia @ 12/06/11 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson


	Sad really considering there are dozens of videos like this that has been made over the past 3 or 4 years now. But yet these same problems are still in the game. To me route mirroring seems much worse in Madden 12 then it was in the past. Maybe that was their way of fixing zone coverage and man coverage, they just increase route mirroring by a factor of 10.

I am not one who likes to "over analyze" and break things down in videos. This was one of those select cases for me. Reason being is I could not figure out how defenders were reacting to the pass game so fast. So I started replaying pass play after pass play. That is when I discovered the above issue.

Now normally I would not waste my time recording the issue and showing it. Because honestly I do feel like it is a waste of time. Like you said there are dozens of these kind of videos and EA just basically shuns these videos. They don't take any ownership about the issues with their game. You hear only excuses why things can't be fixed. Then the next year of marketing you hear this

"We know of the short comings last year and have worked tirelessly to fix those issues and bring you the most authentic football game on the market"

Now this is where the marketing train begins. Why not own these issues during the year??? Because it might hurt sales?? Well I think many people are getting tired of the run around with Tiburon.

Fans are tired of being sold a product with dozens of issues & broken features, tired of marketing HYPE, tired of the run around and false promises, and lastly tired of the longest running sports genre' lagging so far behind multiple other sports games.

I hope year in and year out that they open their eyes and get it together. It just does not seem like they understand yet, it is going to take a NBA Live moment for them to wake up and fix their game.

# 57 Phobia @ 12/06/11 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tazdevil20


	This is an outstanding video Phobia, and it goes back to the fundamental issue with Madden which they refuse to accept or acknowledge. Player movement and interaction is atrocious. It's not bad, it's atrocious. All sports games are predicated on the ability of the players to move and act realistically. We've seen this done in older gen maddens and other football games. So we know it can be done. In our online league, guys are throwing 30+ interceptions a season because of this nonsense. You can't throw timing routes due to the warping. A guy looks open, then you throw it and the game does it's dice roll so therefore it makes the defender warp into position and make the pick. It's horrendous.

Thanks, it was done because I would love to be able to help them fix the issues in the game. Some people have agendas for hating madden and only showing issues. I am not one of those guys, I love games and could careless who makes them. I WISH they took these kind of videos and repaired the issue and game. There is zero reason this title can't be repaired and patched.

Madden 12 sold 3 million copies as of October. That is 180 MILLION in sales. So the 100 to 200 thousand extra dollars it would take to hire a engine writing team to write a new engine along side the current maddens to FIX PERMANENTLY all these issues would be a drop in the hat for them. Instead the suits do a "hide" the issues routine & band aid the issues which we all have grown tired of.

It is sloppy managing of the cash cow that made EA who they are today. It should be their stand out title no differently than NBA2k is 2K's and The Show is Sony's. Just sloppy all around.

# 58 huskerwr38 @ 12/06/11 05:00 PM

That video is definitely one of the best examples I have seen showcasing just ONE aspect of the problem-matic passing in Madden. There are just so many things that need to be fixed in regards to the passing game. The defense just doesn't follow the same physical rules of the universe as the offense, such as planting ones foot when making cuts, physic ability to know where the ball is at all times and what route the WR is running, etc..

Also, the trajectory of the ball needs to be fixed. Right now, it's too low because we all know that LB can literally jump up and knock a pass down intended for a guy 20 yards down the field.

I hope this next year is the year they really overhaul the passing game, which is something they haven't done.

# 59 pegout @ 12/06/11 05:50 PM

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Also, the trajectory of the ball needs to be fixed. Right now, it's too low because we all know that LB can literally jump up and knock a pass down intended for a guy 20 yards down the field. [quote]

i used to think that too but if you pratice throwing a little, throwing over lbs cb and safties become no problem now whats said i do think the normal bullet pass should be works on a little bit but not a complete over haul

# 60 Phobia @ 12/06/11 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	@Phobia, that is no doubt a very "telling" video of Madden's pass coverage issues but it's somewhat understandable do to the current playing view. My agenda is not to defend EA but to advocate for a more field level, realistically limited gameplay view as well. If the player actions in Madden were more realistic, with the current gameplay view, we would most likely be back to the days of routine 56-63 scoreboards. I am all for Madden having optimal realistic player movement but unless the gameplay view follows suit, the results will still probably be arcadey.

True! But that just goes to show how far gone the current set of engines they use are. They truly need to rebuild the entire game from the ground up. A complete re-write is the only way, in my opinion at least.

Running & Cutting = Flawed and no sense of weight
O-line & D-line interactions = Been horrible far as long as any of us can remember
WR & DB interactions = Yea this is laughable bad
Player awareness = Eyes in back head, physic jumping of routes, on and on
Man Coverage = warping to cover WRs, jumping routes moment button is pressed,
Zone Coverage = One of the somewhat decent areas yet still suffers same issues as MC
CPU QB AI = Horrible, lacks any real sense of a human opponent
CPU Play calling = Calling a iso run play on 3rd and 20.......brain dead

I could go on, but there is really no point we all know the issues. Bottom line is they need to fix this. Stopping giving us excuses why this don't work, why they can't achieve this or that, FIX IT. You are a multi-BILLION dollar company. Fix your most beloved game. The same issues that plagued the 06 launch version should NOT be in this current madden. Hell the same legacy issues that affected MADDEN 2001 should of never in the world made it to the 2012 version END OF STORY!!!!

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