Where Are The Madden NFL 12 Tuner Sets and Online Franchise Roster Updates?

[DUDERMAN]

Quote:

We don't normally do online franchise roster updates during the season. There's one to start the season and one at the end.

Normally? There were at least 2 updates in season for Madden 10. I don't remember seeing any for Madden 11. So I guess after one year, that's the norm now.

The whole reason they went server based (at least their explanation for it) was so they could update it between Maddens. So far, 2.5 years later, zero updates and now a max of two roster updates per year. I literally had to shake my head after typing that.

Oh, so your favorite player is Carson Palmer? Well you can play as the Raiders and... oh wait, sorry they didn't update the rosters yet. Well you can still play as the Bengals... nope that won't work either, they cut him from the online rosters to make room for the up and comer, Hope Bromley.

You want to play as your favorite team with accurate rosters, just wait until the season is over... you know, when fans' interest usually dies until the draft in April. That's a great way to run an online franchise.

They keep saying that they don't update the mode because of the few number of people who play it. Well I wonder why that is...

Not to mention problems with the salary cap (lack of), free agency (lack of), stat glitches, repeated schedules, disconnects, sliders (lack of), common key stats (lack of), roster sizes, and more I'm currently forgetting.


[edit]
I'm not even discussing any flaws from the game or things that need time to develop/fix. I'm talking about what should be simple updates. Tuners, by how they were explained, SHOULD be an easy update. Roster updates that are already complete SHOULD be easily and automatically included into online franchise.

On the smaller scale, even things like their "on demand" tab which is suppose to be updated with weekly NFL.com video content still has only 2 videos from before the season. Hell, I think the videos are from before the lockout ended. I don't need to see a video of how the Browns can turn things around for 2011 when I know they are 4-8 13 weeks into the season.

Again these are simple things that should be updated on a weekly basis with minimum work hours needed to complete. Instead they are an empty shell of what they call a "feature".

[Phobia]

I think people need to realize Madden and NCAA is dead in the water with the current engines. The game needs to be re-created completely. New engines need to be written and designed with one goal in mind. Creating a replicate of NFL Sunday.

Until that happens everything else is a patch job on a series of engines with more issues than they will ever be able to repair to the point we want them to be at.

It sucks for all of us but that is just the hard truth in black and white.

This is a video I did months back. It is one single issue but the problem with this is there are dozens and dozens of issues such as these that are not small issues. But large gameplay issues.

[K_GUN]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson

Take the MLB The Show community manager for example. When somebody asked about the position of the player shades on players faces, he was honest and up front about it and said WHY they couldn't fix it.

yeah...that was me.

i actually was impressed by his response (i'm bummed but at least he was up front)

it is what it is

[Gotmadskillzson]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phobia

I think people need to realize Madden and NCAA is dead in the water with the current engines. The game needs to be re-created completely. New engines need to be written and designed with one goal in mind. Creating a replicate of NFL Sunday. Until that happens everything else is a patch job on a series of engines with more issues than they will ever be able to repair to the point we want them to be at. It sucks for all of us but that is just the hard truth in black and white. This is a video I did months back. It is one single issue but the problem with this is there are dozens and dozens of issues such as these that are not small issues. But large gameplay issues.

Sad really considering there are dozens of videos like this that has been made over the past 3 or 4 years now. But yet these same problems are still in the game.

To me route mirroring seems much worse in Madden 12 then it was in the past. Maybe that was their way of fixing zone coverage and man coverage, they just increase route mirroring by a factor of 10.

[Phobia]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson

Sad really considering there are dozens of videos like this that has been made over the past 3 or 4 years now. But yet these same problems are still in the game. To me route mirroring seems much worse in Madden 12 then it was in the past. Maybe that was their way of fixing zone coverage and man coverage, they just increase route mirroring by a factor of 10.

I am not one who likes to "over analyze" and break things down in videos. This was one of those select cases for me. Reason being is I could not figure out how defenders were reacting to the pass game so fast. So I started replaying pass play after pass play. That is when I discovered the above issue.

Now normally I would not waste my time recording the issue and showing it. Because honestly I do feel like it is a waste of time. Like you said there are dozens of these kind of videos and EA just basically shuns these videos. They don't take any ownership about the issues with their game. You hear only excuses why things can't be fixed. Then the next year of marketing you hear this

"We know of the short comings last year and have worked tirelessly to fix those issues and bring you the most authentic football game on the market"

Now this is where the marketing train begins. Why not own these issues during the year??? Because it might hurt sales?? Well I think many people are getting tired of the run around with Tiburon.

Fans are tired of being sold a product with dozens of issues & broken features, tired of marketing HYPE, tired of the run around and false promises, and lastly tired of the longest running sports genre' lagging so far behind multiple other sports games.

I hope year in and year out that they open their eyes and get it together. It just does not seem like they understand yet, it is going to take a NBA Live moment for them to wake up and fix their game.

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phobia

I think people need to realize Madden and NCAA is dead in the water with the current engines. The game needs to be re-created completely. New engines need to be written and designed with one goal in mind. Creating a replicate of NFL Sunday. Until that happens everything else is a patch job on a series of engines with more issues than they will ever be able to repair to the point we want them to be at. It sucks for all of us but that is just the hard truth in black and white. This is a video I did months back. It is one single issue but the problem with this is there are dozens and dozens of issues such as these that are not small issues. But large gameplay issues.

This is an outstanding video Phobia, and it goes back to the fundamental issue with Madden which they refuse to accept or acknowledge. Player movement and interaction is atrocious. It's not bad, it's atrocious. All sports games are predicated on the ability of the players to move and act realistically. We've seen this done in older gen maddens and other football games. So we know it can be done. In our online league, guys are throwing 30+ interceptions a season because of this nonsense. You can't throw timing routes due to the warping. A guy looks open, then you throw it and the game does it's dice roll so therefore it makes the defender warp into position and make the pick. It's horrendous.

[Phobia]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

This is an outstanding video Phobia, and it goes back to the fundamental issue with Madden which they refuse to accept or acknowledge. Player movement and interaction is atrocious. It's not bad, it's atrocious. All sports games are predicated on the ability of the players to move and act realistically. We've seen this done in older gen maddens and other football games. So we know it can be done. In our online league, guys are throwing 30+ interceptions a season because of this nonsense. You can't throw timing routes due to the warping. A guy looks open, then you throw it and the game does it's dice roll so therefore it makes the defender warp into position and make the pick. It's horrendous.

Thanks, it was done because I would love to be able to help them fix the issues in the game. Some people have agendas for hating madden and only showing issues. I am not one of those guys, I love games and could careless who makes them. I WISH they took these kind of videos and repaired the issue and game. There is zero reason this title can't be repaired and patched.

Madden 12 sold 3 million copies as of October. That is 180 MILLION in sales. So the 100 to 200 thousand extra dollars it would take to hire a engine writing team to write a new engine along side the current maddens to FIX PERMANENTLY all these issues would be a drop in the hat for them. Instead the suits do a "hide" the issues routine & band aid the issues which we all have grown tired of.

It is sloppy managing of the cash cow that made EA who they are today. It should be their stand out title no differently than NBA2k is 2K's and The Show is Sony's. Just sloppy all around.

[huskerwr38]

That video is definitely one of the best examples I have seen showcasing just ONE aspect of the problem-matic passing in Madden. There are just so many things that need to be fixed in regards to the passing game. The defense just doesn't follow the same physical rules of the universe as the offense, such as planting ones foot when making cuts, physic ability to know where the ball is at all times and what route the WR is running, etc..

Also, the trajectory of the ball needs to be fixed. Right now, it's too low because we all know that LB can literally jump up and knock a pass down intended for a guy 20 yards down the field.

I hope this next year is the year they really overhaul the passing game, which is something they haven't done.