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OS Roundtable: The Player Tendencies Snafu - Short Term Blunder or Long Term Mistake?

03:15 PM - November 3, 2011 by RaychelSnr

OS Staff Writers, by now you have all heard the news about the fourth NCAA title update not including a fix for player tendencies. To some this is an absolutely huge deal and to others it seems as if they are perfectly content with the game as-is. But let's go beyond that; let's discuss whether the string of bugs this year, plus the lack of any patchable resolution will be detrimental to NCAA 13, or will the blunders of NCAA Football 12 be forgotten by many next July?

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# 21 LionsFanNJ @ 11/03/11 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by khaliib


	I believe this issue will have an imact on gaming forums also. Come next year, gamers will want to press Ben & Co on real issues, instead of dumb questions about what's their favorite part of the game. Forums such as OS have to walk that fine line, because you "Want" a relationship with developers, but you "Need" gamers to read/utilize your site. How this will impact OS is will they allow gamers to voice/press the developers when given the chance, or will the hammer be laid down against members to preserve that developers relationship? We will see!!!

OS will never see the NCAA devs again. EA is all about social media now.

back on topic. I'm curious to see if this tendency thing goes further back into previous iterations into the game. Based on the information in the patch notes it seems the database is just corrupted to the point that it will take a major overhaul time consuming process. That leads me to believe when thy initially wrote the code for next gen database tendencies this was wonky from the get go. I don't have any of the past ones anymore so i can't really check.

Ideally i want them to implement maddens tendencies and DPP in the next game.

# 22 shadia147 @ 11/03/11 11:35 PM

Well, what I would like to say to the OS guys in the above article... A lot of us read your previews every year. We base our opinions on whether to buy or skip on release day on your previews.
So, that means that you have a responsibility to us here at OS before EA's PR Dept each year.
I don't feel that has always been the case. I realize that EA is an advertiser to this site. And you're obligated to somewhat act as PR for your sponsors.
All I'm saying to the guys above....Stand your ground next year. It's important to us, your audience.

# 23 KingV2k3 @ 11/04/11 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fistofrage


	But they didn't fail because We The Sheeple lined up and bought over 1 million copies. Given the limited resources they apparantly put towards this title, I am sure the board of directors gave them a big pat on the back and probably a nice Christmas Bonus. I mean the reviewers all gave it 8+. You don't have to produce a quality product when you have a monopoly, a good hype machine and the reviewers in your back pocket to boot.

Yup...very good points...

I'm admittedly "part of the problem" because I buy both football titles pretty much every year and find a way (with the help of this forum) to make them enjoyable enough to play the heck out of them...

Frustrating, when you're hooked on console football and you know what other sports titles have managed to accomplish...

# 24 mWolfe @ 11/04/11 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fistofrage


	It all comes down to a numbers game for EA. TYhey know they are going to lose X% of their customers every year for various reason. As long as they can recoup those numbers with the hype machine and having the exclusivity, things probably won't change. They already said they can't patch the game because they don't know their code well enough to not break things in the process. They aren't revamping the engine. Do you honestly think the development team is going to spend money and resources learning the entire engine and fixing what's broken? No, because the formula they have is put in a few new fancy features to put on the back of the box to attract new customers. Years and Years of current gen games have proven their MO. Year after year, even the hardcore sim guys still shell out money in hopes of things changing and it never does. They are banking on that trend continuing.

Your right they do know that they will lose costumers every year our problem is that we the hardcore gamers are to few to put a dent on thier pocketbook for them to see a difference. This is this first year I have bought Madden since 09 and this will be the last time to buy both NCAA. And Madden again till the next systems debut. I know I can say this because I ditch Madden 09 for Madden 08 on the PC and been playing that more than I have Madden 12 so if I really get tired of NCAA 12 ill just buy me another PS2 and pick up NCAA 06 and play that. Now will this affect EA at all no but I will still get my football fix and enjoy the other games that come out rather than worrying if he new football game is good or not.

# 25 HustlinOwl @ 11/04/11 01:14 AM

After the BS EA pulled with my beloved NCAA Basketball 10, 2010 was the last year I bout an EA Sports product. Wish more would have seen this then.

# 26 Retropyro @ 11/04/11 01:40 AM

The most disturbing thing for me was the fact that after months of seeing Ben & Company everywhere doing interviews and hyping the game, they flat out disappeared and went into hiding once the game came out.

While I would not have been happy, I would be leaning towards a day one purchase of NCAA 13 had the Dev's just come out and admitted they screwed it up. But to go completely silent? I can't overlook that.

As for customer service, I sent an email to EA through an address that was put on their officail site. It said I would recieve a response within 48hrs. Well that was back during the 3rd week of August ...still waiting for a response.

# 27 pierre45212 @ 11/04/11 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson


	All EA Game Changers have lost credibility in my eyes. They went down there how many times for NCAA 12 ? Like around 8 or 10 times ? I know it was a lot and the last time was in June. But yet this is the buggiest game in the series. Kind of makes one wonder what the hell they were doing down there all the times they were down there. Not only did they go down there that many times, but a good number of them have direct access email and phone wise with the producers and other lead programmers. So to me it is like how can you have direct access and don't speak up ? That whole program needs to be scrapped because out of the 2 or 3 years that program been in place, they haven't changed a damn thing or improved anything either. I am still seeing the same problems that was in 08, 09, 10 still in NCAA 12. So to me, they serve no purpose other then to hype the game. EA needs to go back to the way they use to be before patches. IMO they are so dependent and reliant on patches, they putting out half baked games. Idea be good, but the execution be terrible. I honestly don't believe they even play their own game against the CPU. I think they only play head to head against other humans and that is the problem. You can just play ONE game against the CPU and come away with a notebook full of problems with the CPU AI. So how in the world did the EA Game Changers, QA department, producers and everybody else that was involved in the game NOT see that many obvious issues with the game ? All these sports games developers are taking consumers for granted and it is SAD. Man if they ever put Madden and NCAA back on the PC, we wouldn't have these problems because gamers themselves would have fixed the problems with mods. Honestly this has been a very disappointing summer for me. College football is my favorite sport. But it has been full of misinformation and question dodging. It is like they just there to collect a pay check and don't care or have pride in what they put out in the market.

Hell of a post bro i feel you 100%.. just like the guy that runs traditionsportsonline.com he is a EA game changer and i told him back in May that ncaa 2012 would be a bad game and a big downer he got all on my back about it.He told me that he played the game for over 100hrs & he knows the game is very good! one of the best ncaa football games EA made. i just replyed we will all see when the games drops.now it's 11-4-11 i can now say i was right the whole time it was a bad game that i traded to gamestop. this game is a 5/10 for me! hell ncaa 11 was 8/10 for me lol.

# 28 Herky @ 11/04/11 08:53 AM

NCAA needs (and has needed) a new engine plain and simple. New code upon old code has to be the reason for the issues and why they either can't or won't fix them. This engine they are using is outdated and until they make the jump, I don't think NCAA will get much better.

I am willing to bet this will not happen until the new consoles are released, which probably makes NCAA 14 or 15 the year they actually put time into changing things.

All I do know is that NCAA 13 is going to be a wait and see for me.

# 29 edaddy @ 11/04/11 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kelley325


	I bought the game because the staff at OS gave it great reviews .Is that a short term blunder or a long term mistake ?

Alrighty then..Lol

# 30 fistofrage @ 11/04/11 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kelley325


	I bought the game because the staff at OS gave it great reviews .Is that a short term blunder or a long term mistake ?

Its true, perhaps after reading the roundtable things are going to change, but in the past regardless of bugs, glitches, errors, etc, it appeared as if OS reviewers were going to slap an 8.5 on the game before they even touched it.

# 31 chelios7 @ 11/04/11 11:19 AM

Right now the only EA game I trust is FIFA. The NHL series is even starting to see some persistent issues not get fixed or crop up in consecutive releases.

# 32 edaddy @ 11/04/11 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by psychicDB


	Yeah OS is no different from other sites in terms of not fully evaluating the game and assigning it a way higher rating than it deserves. I noticed several glitches within my first couple games. Honestly EA has the review machine in its back pocket.

While I disagree somewhat that OS is no different from other sites..I am happy that EA has finally been taken to task by this site for prominent issues that remain in this game..Os reviews are a little more in depth than the average site but the site can sometime be misconstrued as pro-EA,especially from people on the outside looking in..I've grown to know who's opinion to trust and who's not too..

# 33 Juggernaut55 @ 11/04/11 12:50 PM

I love that everyone bashes on EA and says how great 2K's football games were....personally i HATED 2K5...and personally I really like Madden '12...yeah there are some things that piss me off such as the uber linebackers who can jump like Megatron, but who cares, try learning to throw a lob rather than bitching about it all the time.

# 34 fistofrage @ 11/04/11 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Juggernaut55


	I love that everyone bashes on EA and says how great 2K's football games were....personally i HATED 2K5...and personally I really like Madden '12...yeah there are some things that piss me off such as the uber linebackers who can jump like Megatron, but who cares, try learning to throw a lob rather than bitching about it all the time.

This thread is about EA sports NCAA football and the errors it has. Noone is talking about 2k5 or Madden for that matter.

EA loves you.

# 35 HokieTokie @ 11/04/11 03:54 PM

I applaud OS for opening up the discussion on the hottest topic for this years game.

And to answer the OP: I think NCAA 13 will take a hit b/c of this. They should see it most in dropping pre-orders and week 1 sales. If they don't deliver AGAIN, then the will hopefully see a noticable drop in overall sales.

# 36 rudyjuly2 @ 11/04/11 05:17 PM

I'm simply of the opinion that the same guys have been in charge of developing NCAA on this gen and they simply don't do a good job. Every year the game is released sloppy. Too many bugs and broken things. After this many years we shouldn't expect anything different. Until they replace the core of the dev team or possibly give them more help I don't think anything changes.

# 37 Sundown2600 @ 11/04/11 08:49 PM

Here is my saga NCAA current gen.

NCAA 09. Had fun at first, but the wide open offense started to feel arcadish. I traded it in Nov.

NCAA 10. Broken fatigue on defense annoyed me to no end! Recruit progression out of wack. Let it go in mid September, weeks before the unexpected recruit progression patch. We should also keep in mind that EA gave in to constant pressure from the community regarding this issue, with this site playing a huge part. Initially they argued back (right here on this site) that recruit progression was perfectly fine...yeah ok.

NCAA 11. Actually a good game but I just got bored because it felt like something was missing. I felt in my heart that NCAA 12 would be the first big push towards a solid NCAA title, so I traded it in around Thanksgiving.

NCAA 12. New tackling system. New animations. Improved gameplay. It was very promising early on, until the glaring bugs began to surface. The patch situation with this game has been a complete and total failure. EA laid the biggest egg in the history of this series based on the fact that this is actually a title with LOADS of potential. That is what makes this bullcrap so frustrating. NCAA 12 in my mind will now and forever be labeled as the Jeff George of sports video games. Flashes of brilliance, but no substance, no consistency, no foundation.

Next year if I find myself getting the football bug I'll just hold out until I'm able to watch a football game on TV. I won't subject myself to this again. EA Tiburon needs to come out with a near flawless NCAA game next year for me to even consider buying 13. I'm talking Mass Effect 2, Uncharted 2 type good. Anything less will be ignored from this point forward. I don't mind speaking with my wallet.

# 38 BeatArmy @ 11/05/11 04:37 AM

The last EA game I bought was NCAA10. I have refused to give EA *any* money whatsoever. As posters have said is previous threads, if you think you want to buy an EA sports game, come to the OS fora and read the posts. You'll be cured. Find a game you can get into like a warm bath: I suggest MLBShow11, maybe some Civilization... anything that won't get you losing your mind like EA's BS does.

You guys said what everybody else thinks/thought. Well done. Let's hope it's not falling on deaf ears.

# 39 frankrizzo380 @ 11/05/11 09:34 AM

First thing guys, nice write-up and thanks for sharing, its almost like OS's response to utopia's "letter" just a few weeks ago, but i have a question, to OS's "gamechangers"/community day guys, "will there still be a need for your presents in tiburon?" "do you guys still want the title?" "Can it still hold any merit?" These aren't questions that i wanna kno personally but rather just a few questions you guys should ask/answer yourself, my response tho, after reading this is simply, "my name is Toris Ford, and i will not be purchasing NCAA Football next year"

# 40 prowler @ 11/05/11 12:51 PM

What's really going to hurt NCAA 13 will be the lack of a home run feature that EA can use to distance it from the glaring issues of NCAA 12. Just looking at the Wishlist Tourney on TGT there isn't one must have feature listed; it's a huge list of Improved X or Y 2.0. Without a major feature to hype to death, EA will have to rely on improving existing features to win over detractors and that's never been their strength.

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