06:25 AM - August 22, 2011 by Steve_OS
ESPN The Gamer has posted the Madden NFL 12 player ratings for the New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Are there any changes you would like to see, or are they just about right?
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06:25 AM - August 22, 2011 by Steve_OSESPN The Gamer has posted the Madden NFL 12 player ratings for the New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Are there any changes you would like to see, or are they just about right?
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# 21
ConnSKINS26 @ 08/22/11 03:11 PM
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You seem knowledgeable enough though, so this is strange to me.
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Top WR's for me are always Colston and Meachem... I usually trade Bush away immediately for draft picks.
Have to admit it will be weird seing Sharper not as a saint bc he helped them win the superbowl a couple years ago. A 82 ovr seems a bit low when he gets int's a lot, 63 career, but can't wait for him to finally sign as a Patriot so we can add another ball hawk to our secondary!
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mazinkaiser @ 08/22/11 03:21 PM
The bucs got screwed. Even the panties got a better "madden" team despite being a lot worse in real life.
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seriousluboy83 @ 08/22/11 03:42 PM
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who are "the panties"???
# 26
Yeah...THAT Guy @ 08/22/11 04:34 PM
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# 27
SaintsFan504 @ 08/22/11 05:15 PM
Ok, here's my non-biased revisions.
WR/TE
CTH
Colston, 96-->89
L-Mo, 87-->94
Meach 77-->95
SPD
Henderson 98-->96
L-Mo 88-->84
STR
Colston 77-->71
Humphrey 66-->74
INJ
Meachem 90-->78
Colston is pretty middle of the road catching the ball, makes amazing catches but also drops some easy ones. L-Mo is one of the more sure handed slot receivers in the league and Meachem led the league in min drop % during the -09 season and doesn't really drop any balls although he's mostly a deep threat (well, apart from that game against the 49ers this preseason.).
Also, no way Colstons strength should be higher than Humphreys seeing that he's mainly a blocking tight end.
Meach has battled through some injuries but should still not be that much slower than Henderson, he ran a 4.39, Henderson a 4.37 but is getting open more often plus he's younger and has taken less of a beating.
Running Backs:
INJ
Ivory 80-->45
TGH
Ivory 69-->97
TRK
Ivory 88-->93
Obviously staying healthy is a huge concern for Ivory. When he's playing though he's one of the hardest runners in the league, vastly underrated in this game.. YT his highlights and tell me that he is a guy who should have a 69 TGH rating. He was also second in the league in yards after contact, producing better than the vet RBs last year. If anything he's too tough for his own good, resulting in alot of injuries.
OVR
Evans 98-->96
Didn't play as well as he did in 09, Nicks arguably the better guard last year.
KAC
Hartley 89-->96
4th ranked FG% EVER, somewhat low KAC on shorter kicks, 101/99 on those kicks 45yds+.
D-Line
ACC
Galette 86-->91
Without a doubt the most explosive guy on our line, one-dimensional though..
DBs
SPD
Greer 88-->94
INJ
Greer 93-->58
Porter 75-->60
Jenkins 96-->86
MAN
Greer 92-->95
Porter 93-->84
ZCV
Greer 94-->88
Porter 86-->90
Greer has elite track speed and may very well be the fastest guy on the football field. An elite corner IF healthy (never played a full season), ranking in the top 5 in completion percentage against him. Very often on an island with the exotic blitz packages from GW.
Porter more of an Asante Samuel type of player.. Likes sitting back, sometimes abused in 1-on-1 coverage.
Our whole backfield has been somewhat injury prone, a tad high for MJ who missed some games last season as well as missing some practices this year with an injury.
WR/TE
CTH
Colston, 96-->89
L-Mo, 87-->94
Meach 77-->95
SPD
Henderson 98-->96
L-Mo 88-->84
STR
Colston 77-->71
Humphrey 66-->74
INJ
Meachem 90-->78
Colston is pretty middle of the road catching the ball, makes amazing catches but also drops some easy ones. L-Mo is one of the more sure handed slot receivers in the league and Meachem led the league in min drop % during the -09 season and doesn't really drop any balls although he's mostly a deep threat (well, apart from that game against the 49ers this preseason.).
Also, no way Colstons strength should be higher than Humphreys seeing that he's mainly a blocking tight end.
Meach has battled through some injuries but should still not be that much slower than Henderson, he ran a 4.39, Henderson a 4.37 but is getting open more often plus he's younger and has taken less of a beating.
Running Backs:
INJ
Ivory 80-->45
TGH
Ivory 69-->97
TRK
Ivory 88-->93
Obviously staying healthy is a huge concern for Ivory. When he's playing though he's one of the hardest runners in the league, vastly underrated in this game.. YT his highlights and tell me that he is a guy who should have a 69 TGH rating. He was also second in the league in yards after contact, producing better than the vet RBs last year. If anything he's too tough for his own good, resulting in alot of injuries.
OVR
Evans 98-->96
Didn't play as well as he did in 09, Nicks arguably the better guard last year.
KAC
Hartley 89-->96
4th ranked FG% EVER, somewhat low KAC on shorter kicks, 101/99 on those kicks 45yds+.
D-Line
ACC
Galette 86-->91
Without a doubt the most explosive guy on our line, one-dimensional though..
DBs
SPD
Greer 88-->94
INJ
Greer 93-->58
Porter 75-->60
Jenkins 96-->86
MAN
Greer 92-->95
Porter 93-->84
ZCV
Greer 94-->88
Porter 86-->90
Greer has elite track speed and may very well be the fastest guy on the football field. An elite corner IF healthy (never played a full season), ranking in the top 5 in completion percentage against him. Very often on an island with the exotic blitz packages from GW.
Porter more of an Asante Samuel type of player.. Likes sitting back, sometimes abused in 1-on-1 coverage.
Our whole backfield has been somewhat injury prone, a tad high for MJ who missed some games last season as well as missing some practices this year with an injury.
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saintsyadig @ 08/22/11 05:43 PM
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# 29
Chrisksaint @ 08/22/11 05:45 PM
Even with the Combo of Brees to Colston in Madden i've never really been able to complete the goalline fade route. Of course I was never really aware you could influnce it somewhat with the stick as i've been reading, been able to run some in NCAA 12 as of late so hopefully now I can take advantage of Colston's ratings lol.
Say what you want about Ingram's speed(it's at the right spot) but with his agility, acceleration, carrying, vision,etc he's gonna be an amazing RB for my offense and contribute right away.
Casillas has a good chance of starting and needs a bump, but he's rarely played in an actual season so it's understandable for his ratings.
Say what you want about Ingram's speed(it's at the right spot) but with his agility, acceleration, carrying, vision,etc he's gonna be an amazing RB for my offense and contribute right away.
Casillas has a good chance of starting and needs a bump, but he's rarely played in an actual season so it's understandable for his ratings.
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As far as Ingram no doubt, I usually traded Bush away and ran with Thomas- I do feel he got low balled as well due to being out last season. I will bet money though by the 3rd roster update both get rating bumps.
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tatmanfish @ 08/22/11 08:48 PM
Bucs are by far the slowest team in Madden.
Bucs only have Biggers on their roster whos rated a 90+ speed. Hopefully they add WR Jock Sanders and CB Gaitor whom both of which should be 92+ speed. Gaitor is a lot like Barber and is a perfect tampa 2 corner. Hopefully hes rated as such. Jock looks to stay on the roster as a return guy for now.
Boosts:
Freeman- speed should be closer to 79 and DAC should be close to an 85.
Blount- elusiveness deserves a bump. Was top 5 in the NFL in yards per carry and yards after contact. Not all of it was trucking.
Benn- acceleration too low. His quickness is why the Bucs like to get him the ball on screens and end arounds. his speed is just a couple points low too.
Briscoe- route running and catch in traffic low
Winslow-he is way too slow. He keeps dropping for no reason. Should be around 86-88.
Trueblood- should be closer to 75 OVR with an increse in impact block mostly, maybe a hair in run blocking.
Miller- Stregnth is still way too low. He holds several weight lifting records at Texas, should be closer to 96.
OLB Black- tackling should be much higher. He was one of the most efficient tackling LBs in the NFL according to PFF.
Foster- needs higher speed, block shedding and hit power. He was known for his ability to shed blocks and be a physical force. His ratings dont show that at all. Given his performance so far, his speed should be in the low 80s.
Watson- needs a slight bump in block shedding and finese moves, especially if he continues to shine in preseason.
Biggers- needs an increase in man coverage. Hes a very well rounded corner and rated highly by PFF in coverage. Dude has no ball skills, but his coverage is solid
Grimm- 79 speed for a guy that ran a 4.5. Hes slower than many LBs in Madden. Should be an 82-83. Needs a slight boost there, in tackling, and hit power. He made the conversion from LB to S and has proven to be one of the more physical tacklers on the team
Assante- Need a boost on zone and hit power. See KC hit, 2nd NO game last year, and Pats game.
Drops:
Faine- guy gets owned ofen and has been regressing over the last two years. his stregnth is just a hair too high, and his run blocking is too high
Lee- has performed rather poorly and hasnt reallt been competeing with Trueblodd at all.
Ruud- doesnt play for the Bucs now, but his block shedding is way to high. its an 88 when it should be an 68. His biggest knock is that hes not physical and he cant shed blocks....hence why the Bucs let him go off of there near bottom ranked run D.
Hayes- tackle is too high. hes a playmaker, but is an inconsistent tackler.
Other than those, they are fairly accurate for the Bucs. Its a shame a 2 win teams players are rated higher than a 10 win team when they both played one of the easiest schedules in the league.
Hopefully most of the Bucs guys have good potential. Getting 10 wins with the youngest team in the NFL and only a couple teams suffered more injuries should be sufficient to make sure most of these guys are A/B potential.
Bucs only have Biggers on their roster whos rated a 90+ speed. Hopefully they add WR Jock Sanders and CB Gaitor whom both of which should be 92+ speed. Gaitor is a lot like Barber and is a perfect tampa 2 corner. Hopefully hes rated as such. Jock looks to stay on the roster as a return guy for now.
Boosts:
Freeman- speed should be closer to 79 and DAC should be close to an 85.
Blount- elusiveness deserves a bump. Was top 5 in the NFL in yards per carry and yards after contact. Not all of it was trucking.
Benn- acceleration too low. His quickness is why the Bucs like to get him the ball on screens and end arounds. his speed is just a couple points low too.
Briscoe- route running and catch in traffic low
Winslow-he is way too slow. He keeps dropping for no reason. Should be around 86-88.
Trueblood- should be closer to 75 OVR with an increse in impact block mostly, maybe a hair in run blocking.
Miller- Stregnth is still way too low. He holds several weight lifting records at Texas, should be closer to 96.
OLB Black- tackling should be much higher. He was one of the most efficient tackling LBs in the NFL according to PFF.
Foster- needs higher speed, block shedding and hit power. He was known for his ability to shed blocks and be a physical force. His ratings dont show that at all. Given his performance so far, his speed should be in the low 80s.
Watson- needs a slight bump in block shedding and finese moves, especially if he continues to shine in preseason.
Biggers- needs an increase in man coverage. Hes a very well rounded corner and rated highly by PFF in coverage. Dude has no ball skills, but his coverage is solid
Grimm- 79 speed for a guy that ran a 4.5. Hes slower than many LBs in Madden. Should be an 82-83. Needs a slight boost there, in tackling, and hit power. He made the conversion from LB to S and has proven to be one of the more physical tacklers on the team
Assante- Need a boost on zone and hit power. See KC hit, 2nd NO game last year, and Pats game.
Drops:
Faine- guy gets owned ofen and has been regressing over the last two years. his stregnth is just a hair too high, and his run blocking is too high
Lee- has performed rather poorly and hasnt reallt been competeing with Trueblodd at all.
Ruud- doesnt play for the Bucs now, but his block shedding is way to high. its an 88 when it should be an 68. His biggest knock is that hes not physical and he cant shed blocks....hence why the Bucs let him go off of there near bottom ranked run D.
Hayes- tackle is too high. hes a playmaker, but is an inconsistent tackler.
Other than those, they are fairly accurate for the Bucs. Its a shame a 2 win teams players are rated higher than a 10 win team when they both played one of the easiest schedules in the league.
Hopefully most of the Bucs guys have good potential. Getting 10 wins with the youngest team in the NFL and only a couple teams suffered more injuries should be sufficient to make sure most of these guys are A/B potential.
# 32
Yeah...THAT Guy @ 08/22/11 09:44 PM
Regarding that fade route, you just gotta wait for them to get off the press coverage and then aim the throw to the outside. In the demo, it actually works to throw it when they're jammed.
# 33
thegregwitul @ 08/22/11 10:22 PM
Some thoughts from a Bucs fan...
Players that need a rating boost:
Dez Briscoe: 62 overall is ridiculous. He's played well this preseason, finished last season strong, is noted by the coaches as the best route runner on the team and can play all three wideout spots, and he's only getting a 62?! From what I understand, Donny Moore is a fan of the Bucs, so I just don't understand how something like this slips through. Speaking as an unbiased fan, Dez deserves a bump in several categories and an overall increase of at least ten points. EJ Biggers was shafted last year (and still is this year) and it looks like Dez starts the season with the top WTF overall on the Bucs. I'm speechless.
LaGarrette Blount: An 81 is a little lower than I expected, as I thought Blount would come in at 84 overall. I like the 98 trucking, but the elusiveness stat needs to be bumped up.
Brandon Carter: The kid works hard and plays hard, and a 59 overall does him no justice. A moderate boost in some attributes and an overall somewhere in the mid to high 60's works for me.
Mason Foster: 65 overall? Please. I get that he's a rookie, but he's the starting MLB (and not really by default, although the coaching staff is plugging him in early, which I'm okay with) and the kid will be something special (okay, the homer in me will take it easy). The 65 overall is an insult, and what's worse, his hit power is 20 points lower than Barrett Rudd. That's right, Barrett Rudd. 20 points lower. I'd at least have Foster at a 70, maybe a 72. The guy was a third round pick, so it's not like he came in as a 7th rounder and starting to turn heads...that would be Anthony Gaitor, who NEEDS to be added in the release day roster update, as he is turning out to be another 7th round steal, a la...
EJ Biggers: From fans to the number crunching, formula based stat sites, Biggers gets his fair share of love. When Talib was out (and even when Biggers played nickel), Biggers was balling. 75 overall is more than fair, however, Biggers gets the shaft again with a 69 overall. There is a reason why the Bucs didn't dump a truckload of cash at Nnamdi Asomugha, and a big part of that reasoning is EJ Biggers. Now, I'm not saying he's a superstar, but I am saying that he can be a legit starting CB in the NFL. If Talib misses any games due to suspension, the Bucs won't be hopeless at CB, as Biggers can step right in and hold the fort down. A really under-appreciated player that deserves better. Hey, at least it's not a 60 overall, I guess...
A few other players would benefit from certain attribute bumps, as these guys have had an impact on the team (Cody Grimm, Frank Okam, Larry Asante), but we are talking mostly about backups or rotation players. I think as unbiased fans, we can make adjustments and touch base with other fans of other teams to see if there is another Dez Briscoe like ratings snafu that needs correcting. At least that's what I plan on doing.
All in all, I like the expanded roster (Ed Gant! Andrew Economos, the long snapper, at last!) and most of the ratings are on point. I think with Donny having to focus on every teams ratings, some guys get lost in the shuffle. For me, it's not the end of the world, as I spend 99% of my time playing offline Franchise, so I can adjust certain players from all teams to my liking and I'm good to go.
(oh, and BTW, Faine and Rudd are rated too high, but you knew that already, didn't you)
j.
Players that need a rating boost:
Dez Briscoe: 62 overall is ridiculous. He's played well this preseason, finished last season strong, is noted by the coaches as the best route runner on the team and can play all three wideout spots, and he's only getting a 62?! From what I understand, Donny Moore is a fan of the Bucs, so I just don't understand how something like this slips through. Speaking as an unbiased fan, Dez deserves a bump in several categories and an overall increase of at least ten points. EJ Biggers was shafted last year (and still is this year) and it looks like Dez starts the season with the top WTF overall on the Bucs. I'm speechless.
LaGarrette Blount: An 81 is a little lower than I expected, as I thought Blount would come in at 84 overall. I like the 98 trucking, but the elusiveness stat needs to be bumped up.
Brandon Carter: The kid works hard and plays hard, and a 59 overall does him no justice. A moderate boost in some attributes and an overall somewhere in the mid to high 60's works for me.
Mason Foster: 65 overall? Please. I get that he's a rookie, but he's the starting MLB (and not really by default, although the coaching staff is plugging him in early, which I'm okay with) and the kid will be something special (okay, the homer in me will take it easy). The 65 overall is an insult, and what's worse, his hit power is 20 points lower than Barrett Rudd. That's right, Barrett Rudd. 20 points lower. I'd at least have Foster at a 70, maybe a 72. The guy was a third round pick, so it's not like he came in as a 7th rounder and starting to turn heads...that would be Anthony Gaitor, who NEEDS to be added in the release day roster update, as he is turning out to be another 7th round steal, a la...
EJ Biggers: From fans to the number crunching, formula based stat sites, Biggers gets his fair share of love. When Talib was out (and even when Biggers played nickel), Biggers was balling. 75 overall is more than fair, however, Biggers gets the shaft again with a 69 overall. There is a reason why the Bucs didn't dump a truckload of cash at Nnamdi Asomugha, and a big part of that reasoning is EJ Biggers. Now, I'm not saying he's a superstar, but I am saying that he can be a legit starting CB in the NFL. If Talib misses any games due to suspension, the Bucs won't be hopeless at CB, as Biggers can step right in and hold the fort down. A really under-appreciated player that deserves better. Hey, at least it's not a 60 overall, I guess...
A few other players would benefit from certain attribute bumps, as these guys have had an impact on the team (Cody Grimm, Frank Okam, Larry Asante), but we are talking mostly about backups or rotation players. I think as unbiased fans, we can make adjustments and touch base with other fans of other teams to see if there is another Dez Briscoe like ratings snafu that needs correcting. At least that's what I plan on doing.
All in all, I like the expanded roster (Ed Gant! Andrew Economos, the long snapper, at last!) and most of the ratings are on point. I think with Donny having to focus on every teams ratings, some guys get lost in the shuffle. For me, it's not the end of the world, as I spend 99% of my time playing offline Franchise, so I can adjust certain players from all teams to my liking and I'm good to go.
(oh, and BTW, Faine and Rudd are rated too high, but you knew that already, didn't you)
j.
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Chrisksaint @ 08/22/11 10:48 PM
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Demanding Briscoe to be like a 72 is a little rediculous when he's done very little production other then in preseason and word of mouth from coaches especially when you look at guys like Lance Moore and Robert Meachem with 77 overalls
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Yeah...THAT Guy @ 08/23/11 01:00 AM
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Donny Moore proving once again he is incompetent. These Bucs ratings are atrocious. Its ridiculous to see that nearly every team in teh NFC West, teams like the Bengals, Lions, Skins, Panthers etc.... are rated higher than a 10 win team. Its ridiculous to see the youngest team in the league be the slowest. How does Aqib Talib, who finishes the year last season with an 89 ovr rating, drop to an 86 for no reason. Kellen Winslows ratings keeps dropping and his speed is dissapearing. Its so much more to speak on but I dont even feel like it at this point. Danny Woodhead is rated higher at RB than Lagarette Blount? Mason Foster only a 65 ovr? Not even our pro bowl left tackle, Donald Penn, is rated in the 90s.
This ratings "guru" needs to be canned. The guy does not know how or care to faily evaluate each team. He was sitting around for a whole year doing nothing.
This ratings "guru" needs to be canned. The guy does not know how or care to faily evaluate each team. He was sitting around for a whole year doing nothing.
# 37
biggiejerseys @ 08/23/11 01:19 PM
Lol @ still having Barrett Ruud & Caddy on the roster. And where's Michael Keneon (the punter we signed this offseason) And IMO Quincy Black should have a higher rating than Geno Hayes. I think Blount's trucking rating is a bit too high. He does truck over DBs with ease, but haven't seen him truck over LBs that much to warrant a 98 trucking rating. Mason Foster's rating is way too low IMO. And the backup RBs seem to be awfully low. And E.J. Biggers warrants being @ least a 70. Other than that they seem to be good.
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Yeah...THAT Guy @ 08/23/11 01:37 PM
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I'm pretty sure Mason Foster will have a higher rating after a week or two, if not by the time they update the rosters on release day.
Agreed about Blount's trucking, I think his elusiveness should be given a bump up though. People look at Blount and assume he's just a trucker, but honestly, he did a lot of hurdling over people and things like that and didn't really run as hard as I would have expected.
Edit: At second glance, they at least gave Blount solid ratings on his spin and juke move, so maybe the elusiveness is ok.
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thegregwitul @ 08/23/11 08:12 PM
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The problem really seems to be the inability to get an accurate handle on the reserve players, and perhaps some of the blame is having one man provide players ratings for the entire NFL.
Now, I understand the franchise mode has been revamped this season (thank you very much!) and this is a good thing. My concern is this; for a team like Tampa, the youngest team in the league, you have a lot of potential, a group of impact players and a mixed bag when it comes to ratings. In last years game a team like the Bucs or Panthers would be faced with having a lot of youth on the roster and little room to grow it, because a lot of players in the generated rookie classes would come in already rated higher than someone like EJ Biggers or Dez Briscoe. This isn't always a terrible thing, but it felt like a player such as Biggers would always be a third corner when he has the ability (and has shown it) to play a role as a starter.
And one more thing; Danny Woodhead is not a better RB than LaGarrette Blount. No way. I love watching Woodhead play, one of my very favorite non-Buc players, but if Woodhead is rated higher than Blount, something is wrong. Lower Blounts trucking a few points, raise his elusiveness and bump up a few other attributes and have him be at least an 83 or 84, the man made just as much an impact on the offensive side of the ball that Mike Williams did.
At least there are weekly updates and I do have confidence the low ratings for Briscoe and Mason Foster will be adjusted accordingly as the season begins. Fingers crossed that Anthony Gaitor is added for the release date roster update.
j.
# 40
mazinkaiser @ 08/23/11 11:07 PM
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