Madden NFL 12 Player Ratings - New Orleans Saints and Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[ABR173rd]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chrisksaint

Even with the Combo of Brees to Colston in Madden i've never really been able to complete the goalline fade route. Of course I was never really aware you could influnce it somewhat with the stick as i've been reading, been able to run some in NCAA 12 as of late so hopefully now I can take advantage of Colston's ratings lol. Say what you want about Ingram's speed(it's at the right spot) but with his agility, acceleration, carrying, vision,etc he's gonna be an amazing RB for my offense and contribute right away. Casillas has a good chance of starting and needs a bump, but he's rarely played in an actual season so it's understandable for his ratings.

I agree with the fade, it seems in NCAA this year it is more effective than it was in the past so hopefully Madden reflects this.

As far as Ingram no doubt, I usually traded Bush away and ran with Thomas- I do feel he got low balled as well due to being out last season. I will bet money though by the 3rd roster update both get rating bumps.

[tatmanfish]

Bucs are by far the slowest team in Madden.

Bucs only have Biggers on their roster whos rated a 90+ speed. Hopefully they add WR Jock Sanders and CB Gaitor whom both of which should be 92+ speed. Gaitor is a lot like Barber and is a perfect tampa 2 corner. Hopefully hes rated as such. Jock looks to stay on the roster as a return guy for now.

Boosts:

Freeman- speed should be closer to 79 and DAC should be close to an 85.

Blount- elusiveness deserves a bump. Was top 5 in the NFL in yards per carry and yards after contact. Not all of it was trucking.

Benn- acceleration too low. His quickness is why the Bucs like to get him the ball on screens and end arounds. his speed is just a couple points low too.

Briscoe- route running and catch in traffic low

Winslow-he is way too slow. He keeps dropping for no reason. Should be around 86-88.

Trueblood- should be closer to 75 OVR with an increse in impact block mostly, maybe a hair in run blocking.

Miller- Stregnth is still way too low. He holds several weight lifting records at Texas, should be closer to 96.

OLB Black- tackling should be much higher. He was one of the most efficient tackling LBs in the NFL according to PFF.

Foster- needs higher speed, block shedding and hit power. He was known for his ability to shed blocks and be a physical force. His ratings dont show that at all. Given his performance so far, his speed should be in the low 80s.

Watson- needs a slight bump in block shedding and finese moves, especially if he continues to shine in preseason.

Biggers- needs an increase in man coverage. Hes a very well rounded corner and rated highly by PFF in coverage. Dude has no ball skills, but his coverage is solid

Grimm- 79 speed for a guy that ran a 4.5. Hes slower than many LBs in Madden. Should be an 82-83. Needs a slight boost there, in tackling, and hit power. He made the conversion from LB to S and has proven to be one of the more physical tacklers on the team

Assante- Need a boost on zone and hit power. See KC hit, 2nd NO game last year, and Pats game.


Drops:

Faine- guy gets owned ofen and has been regressing over the last two years. his stregnth is just a hair too high, and his run blocking is too high

Lee- has performed rather poorly and hasnt reallt been competeing with Trueblodd at all.

Ruud- doesnt play for the Bucs now, but his block shedding is way to high. its an 88 when it should be an 68. His biggest knock is that hes not physical and he cant shed blocks....hence why the Bucs let him go off of there near bottom ranked run D.

Hayes- tackle is too high. hes a playmaker, but is an inconsistent tackler.

Other than those, they are fairly accurate for the Bucs. Its a shame a 2 win teams players are rated higher than a 10 win team when they both played one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Hopefully most of the Bucs guys have good potential. Getting 10 wins with the youngest team in the NFL and only a couple teams suffered more injuries should be sufficient to make sure most of these guys are A/B potential.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Regarding that fade route, you just gotta wait for them to get off the press coverage and then aim the throw to the outside. In the demo, it actually works to throw it when they're jammed.

[thegregwitul]

Some thoughts from a Bucs fan...

Players that need a rating boost:

Dez Briscoe: 62 overall is ridiculous. He's played well this preseason, finished last season strong, is noted by the coaches as the best route runner on the team and can play all three wideout spots, and he's only getting a 62?! From what I understand, Donny Moore is a fan of the Bucs, so I just don't understand how something like this slips through. Speaking as an unbiased fan, Dez deserves a bump in several categories and an overall increase of at least ten points. EJ Biggers was shafted last year (and still is this year) and it looks like Dez starts the season with the top WTF overall on the Bucs. I'm speechless.

LaGarrette Blount: An 81 is a little lower than I expected, as I thought Blount would come in at 84 overall. I like the 98 trucking, but the elusiveness stat needs to be bumped up.

Brandon Carter: The kid works hard and plays hard, and a 59 overall does him no justice. A moderate boost in some attributes and an overall somewhere in the mid to high 60's works for me.

Mason Foster: 65 overall? Please. I get that he's a rookie, but he's the starting MLB (and not really by default, although the coaching staff is plugging him in early, which I'm okay with) and the kid will be something special (okay, the homer in me will take it easy). The 65 overall is an insult, and what's worse, his hit power is 20 points lower than Barrett Rudd. That's right, Barrett Rudd. 20 points lower. I'd at least have Foster at a 70, maybe a 72. The guy was a third round pick, so it's not like he came in as a 7th rounder and starting to turn heads...that would be Anthony Gaitor, who NEEDS to be added in the release day roster update, as he is turning out to be another 7th round steal, a la...

EJ Biggers: From fans to the number crunching, formula based stat sites, Biggers gets his fair share of love. When Talib was out (and even when Biggers played nickel), Biggers was balling. 75 overall is more than fair, however, Biggers gets the shaft again with a 69 overall. There is a reason why the Bucs didn't dump a truckload of cash at Nnamdi Asomugha, and a big part of that reasoning is EJ Biggers. Now, I'm not saying he's a superstar, but I am saying that he can be a legit starting CB in the NFL. If Talib misses any games due to suspension, the Bucs won't be hopeless at CB, as Biggers can step right in and hold the fort down. A really under-appreciated player that deserves better. Hey, at least it's not a 60 overall, I guess...


A few other players would benefit from certain attribute bumps, as these guys have had an impact on the team (Cody Grimm, Frank Okam, Larry Asante), but we are talking mostly about backups or rotation players. I think as unbiased fans, we can make adjustments and touch base with other fans of other teams to see if there is another Dez Briscoe like ratings snafu that needs correcting. At least that's what I plan on doing.

All in all, I like the expanded roster (Ed Gant! Andrew Economos, the long snapper, at last!) and most of the ratings are on point. I think with Donny having to focus on every teams ratings, some guys get lost in the shuffle. For me, it's not the end of the world, as I spend 99% of my time playing offline Franchise, so I can adjust certain players from all teams to my liking and I'm good to go.

(oh, and BTW, Faine and Rudd are rated too high, but you knew that already, didn't you)


j.

[Chrisksaint]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yeah...THAT Guy

Regarding that fade route, you just gotta wait for them to get off the press coverage and then aim the throw to the outside. In the demo, it actually works to throw it when they're jammed.

I think that's one thing that used to get me is I was throwing it like a realistic fade as in throwing it right away, but good to know it may work during a jam now.

Demanding Briscoe to be like a 72 is a little rediculous when he's done very little production other then in preseason and word of mouth from coaches especially when you look at guys like Lance Moore and Robert Meachem with 77 overalls

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chrisksaint

I think that's one thing that used to get me is I was throwing it like a realistic fade as in throwing it right away, but good to know it may work during a jam now. Demanding Briscoe to be like a 72 is a little rediculous when he's done very little production other then in preseason and word of mouth from coaches especially when you look at guys like Lance Moore and Robert Meachem with 77 overalls

Yeah I threw a fade to Greg Olsen while he was still jammed and he broke off the press coverage, jumped in the air, caught in, and dragged his toes.

[BigBucs]

Donny Moore proving once again he is incompetent. These Bucs ratings are atrocious. Its ridiculous to see that nearly every team in teh NFC West, teams like the Bengals, Lions, Skins, Panthers etc.... are rated higher than a 10 win team. Its ridiculous to see the youngest team in the league be the slowest. How does Aqib Talib, who finishes the year last season with an 89 ovr rating, drop to an 86 for no reason. Kellen Winslows ratings keeps dropping and his speed is dissapearing. Its so much more to speak on but I dont even feel like it at this point. Danny Woodhead is rated higher at RB than Lagarette Blount? Mason Foster only a 65 ovr? Not even our pro bowl left tackle, Donald Penn, is rated in the 90s.

This ratings "guru" needs to be canned. The guy does not know how or care to faily evaluate each team. He was sitting around for a whole year doing nothing.

[s38s38s]

Quote: Originally Posted by BigBucs

Donny Moore proving once again he is incompetent. These Bucs ratings are atrocious. Its ridiculous to see that nearly every team in teh NFC West, teams like the Bengals, Lions, Skins, Panthers etc.... are rated higher than a 10 win team. Its ridiculous to see the youngest team in the league be the slowest. How does Aqib Talib, who finishes the year last season with an 89 ovr rating, drop to an 86 for no reason. Kellen Winslows ratings keeps dropping and his speed is dissapearing. Its so much more to speak on but I dont even feel like it at this point. Danny Woodhead is rated higher at RB than Lagarette Blount? Mason Foster only a 65 ovr? Not even our pro bowl left tackle, Donald Penn, is rated in the 90s. This ratings "guru" needs to be canned. The guy does not know how or care to faily evaluate each team. He was sitting around for a whole year doing nothing.

I agree with your assessment of the Ratings Czar. He strikes me as a casual fan and rates off of perception vs any substantial reasoning be it stats, career, etc.