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EA Claims Gran Turismo 5 is Very Sterile, Codemasters Accuses it as Being Boring

06:44 PM - November 24, 2010 by Steve_OS

Trash talking doesn't only happen in sports, it happens in video game wars, as well. Check out what EA and Codemasters had to say, as they both gang up on Gran Turismo 5.

Courtesy of CVG, check out what EA had to say about the game.

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	"What does make sense to me... I think they have a very sterile, almost car collecting type of product where that's mainly what we do and I think we can offer something different."

Now, see what Codemasters had to say.

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	"GT5 is going to be a phenomenal product, with the time and investment Sony have made in it," he said. "You can have a technically phenomenal game, but you can also have a game concept that doesn't really appeal [to some racing fans] and could be accused of - and you have to be careful how you write this - of being boring."

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# 21 Oliver Beyer @ 11/26/10 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LucianoJJ


	EA is struggling and Codemasters isn't perfect. It is early on and the debate will rage on and on. I wish SimBin could make a racing game for the PS3.

They have with NFS Shift.

# 22 JMD @ 11/26/10 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Beyer


	They have with NFS Shift.

SimBin didn't make Shift. They have made several great racing games for the PC as well as Race Pro for the 360. I'm really hoping they make a Race Pro 2.

# 23 Dogslax41 @ 11/26/10 07:57 PM

The beauty and fun of Gran Turismo is in Enigma's post and more so for me in the performance on the track. Gran Turismo is the most accurate "driving" sim on a console, period. Not the most accurate crashing sim. I have seen tons of people bash the game because of poor crash physics and even one comment that stated "if I drive into the braking car in front of me going 120 it should create a huge crash and a game cant call itself a driving sim if it doesnt."

Bottom line is if you make a habit of hitting a breaking car in front of you going 120 then GT is not the game for you. Thats why games like Burnout and Hot Pursuit have a market and following.

GT's brilliance on the track is found in its attention to the physics of the car and the demand of perfecting driving lines.

I can tell you as someone fortuante enough to have a G27 it is more than "fun" when you pull off a perfect heel toe shift in a race to execute a pass coming out of a corner. Sorry but no other game on a console comes close to replicating the benefits of proper driving and footwork as GT. I could care less about crash physics because after the first month or so I generally race more solo trying to best lap times anyway. After the initial group of players leave I might go online once the bumper cars phases its way out of online.

Different people have fun with different games. As someone really into racing I find most of the Need for Speed series extremely boring, including the highly reviewed Hot Pursuit. After the first 30 minutes of driving fast to initiate a similar crash animation over and over the game really didnt have much to offer.

# 24 EnigmaNemesis @ 11/26/10 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogslax41


	The beauty and fun of Gran Turismo is in Enigma's post and more so for me in the performance on the track. Gran Turismo is the most accurate "driving" sim on a console, period. Not the most accurate crashing sim. I have seen tons of people bash the game because of poor crash physics and even one comment that stated "if I drive into the braking car in front of me going 120 it should create a huge crash and a game cant call itself a driving sim if it doesnt." Bottom line is if you make a habit of hitting a breaking car in front of you going 120 then GT is not the game for you. Thats why games like Burnout and Hot Pursuit have a market and following. GT's brilliance on the track is found in its attention to the physics of the car and the demand of perfecting driving lines. I can tell you as someone fortuante enough to have a G27 it is more than "fun" when you pull off a perfect heel toe shift in a race to execute a pass coming out of a corner. Sorry but no other game on a console comes close to replicating the benefits of proper driving and footwork as GT. I could care less about crash physics because after the first month or so I generally race more solo trying to best lap times anyway. After the initial group of players leave I might go online once the bumper cars phases its way out of online. Different people have fun with different games. As someone really into racing I find most of the Need for Speed series extremely boring, including the highly reviewed Hot Pursuit. After the first 30 minutes of driving fast to initiate a similar crash animation over and over the game really didnt have much to offer.

Well said. I feel the exact same way 100%.

The game comes as close as it gets to myself personally, to getting behind the wheel of some cars I would never be able to in real life, let alone see in person. And lets me feel as close as it gets to how the car will handle and respond to me driving it.

That is not replicated in any other game to such detail on any other console. And while this may not be for everyone, it is for car enthusiasts, and that has been known since it's days on the PS2.

# 25 LingeringRegime @ 11/26/10 11:26 PM

EA/Codemasters = LMAO

GT5 = Perfection

# 26 DirtyJerz32 @ 11/27/10 12:29 AM

EA has some nerve talking about other games being sterile. Don't throw stones...

# 27 Oliver Beyer @ 11/27/10 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JMD


	SimBin didn't make Shift. They have made several great racing games for the PC as well as Race Pro for the 360. I'm really hoping they make a Race Pro 2.

They did. Shift was developed by Slightly Mad Studios. Pretty much the entire team of the studio is made up of ex-SimBin guys from the golden SimBin days of GTR and GTR2. Since GTR2 many developers have left SimBin. The SimBin of today has little to do with the SimBin that developed the great Sims. SimBin now just throws up little interesting touring car sims with dated graphics. The guys that made SimBin great are all Slightly Mad now and they made Shift for EA.

# 28 LingeringRegime @ 11/27/10 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tKlausEffect


	EA can blast other people's franchises when they actually release a playable product. "Boring" and "sterile" from the same company that dumps both of it's basketball games and has not produced a nascar game for years...as well as the most bland version of Madden yet. GT5 is an outstanding game; the latest edition of the franchise that defined driving sims. I may never spend another dime on EA.

It's funny, when I was first playing GT5 the first day or so I was thinking: "Man, EA could really learn a lot from Polyphony. It's obvious they passionately care about details and quality."

But, what does EA do? They blast them publicly, and make themselves look even more foolish. After the fiasco that was NBA Elite 11, you would think they would have been humbled. Obviously not.

Just a superficial observation, but I think it is has been proven true, at least in my mind...

EA is only interested in their bottom line, not overly concerned about the quality of their products. There are a few exceptions of course, but seems as if most of what they put out the past decade would come under that umbrella. Especially Sports Games. The NHL franchise is pretty much the only one that I am interested in. Doubt that their Football and Basketball games can win me back.

# 29 LucianoJJ @ 11/27/10 02:03 PM

I bought Shift because of the connection to SimBin. I was disappointed and traded in the game. Let me re-phrase then. I'd love to see a Race Pro game from the SimBin B-team for PS3.

# 30 lnin0 @ 11/28/10 12:25 PM

GT5's is what it is and has always been. It is not race pedigree, it is car porn.

# 31 Skyboxer @ 11/28/10 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lnin0


	GT5's is what it is and has always been. It is not race pedigree, it is car porn.

Pretty darn good description... And you're right.

# 32 EnigmaNemesis @ 11/28/10 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lnin0


	GT5's is what it is and has always been. It is not race pedigree, it is car porn.

Thus why it is called an enthusiasts game.

But yes, I like your description as well!

Only reason these comments were made, was fear of the competition and the behemoth that these companies know that will slow the sales of their games, especially the just released NFS. Thus they are hoping to get those bit of sales from the easily persuaded crowd that jump into groups of comments so easily.

And seeing this from EA shows even more why they did not give Sony the sub license for Porche like they did MSFT (Peter Moore sure had something to do with that)... since they considered GT5 "competition" but not Forza ironically. Pretty underhanded if you ask me.

# 33 Behindshadows @ 11/28/10 02:08 PM

Why does everyone keeps trying to take shots at EA? Look seriously it gets old, anytime a representative, developer, etc from their company speaks out on another game. Everyone goes into a EA hatred rant! Seriously guys the driving games by EA(Publisher) have been very damn good, and they can warrant themselves to speak out on other game.

From Need for speed series period. Almost everyone of them have been solid games, and Burnout Paradise was just that, Paradise! The game is still amazing til this day.

NFS Shift was one of their greatest games, because it did go the simulation route and tried to compete with games like PGR and Forza, they just took a new direction with it. Only people who had bad things to say about it were PS3 owners. Because on PC and 360 it was greatness.

So enough of all the hatred and bashing, they aren't the Madden guys, they are the driving guys. And they deserve the same respect as the guys from Codemasters, because both teams have designed and released great and solid titles. And both companies have a right to speak their opinions on what is bland or sterile.

And like the other guy above said, GT5 is auto Porn, a bunch of pretty cars you can't do much with than look at them and collect them.

All other games, have incredible career modes, especially Codemasters series of driving games, which every career mode has been excellent. And EA's direction on their titles with story tie in's, etc have been great.

# 34 EnigmaNemesis @ 11/28/10 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	And like the other guy above said, GT5 is auto Porn, a bunch of pretty cars you can't do much with than look at them and collect them.

Really? And you want to talk about baseless ranting?

EA reaps what it sows. Just because people are retaliating for childish and unprofessional comments made by a company, does not mean they have EA hatred. I think the comments lack major tact, but still purchase NHL, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Bad Company 2, etc etc.

Everyone knows how GT is, it has always used the same formula which made it successful. Those two companies are comparing apples to oranges. And should act professional, and put up or shut up. You want to make a statement, make it with an EQUAL game genre. Not with words that internet fanboys would debate with.

Everyone in here is 100% justified for saying EA or Codemasters should not throw stones. That is not "senseless hate" for the companies... but reality check from the customers.

# 35 Behindshadows @ 11/28/10 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EnigmaNemesis


	Really? And you want to talk about baseless ranting? EA reaps what it sows. Just because people are retaliating for childish and unprofessional comments made by a company, does not mean they have EA hatred. I think the comments lack major tact, but still purchase NHL, Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Bad Company 2, etc etc. Everyone knows how GT is, it has always used the same formula which made it successful. Those two companies are comparing apples to oranges. And should act professional, and put up or shut up. You want to make a statement, make it with an EQUAL game genre. Not with words that internet fanboys would debate with. Everyone in here is 100% justified for saying EA or Codemasters should not throw stones. That is not "senseless hate" for the companies... but reality check from the customers.

I won't even make this into an argument, because I own every GT title, including GT5, collector's edition to be exact. I don't hate the game, it's just not the amazing clash of the titles driver sim they marketed it too be.

But I will say this, I have fun with other driving games more than GT5, hell Toca Racer Driver 2 and 3 are better than GT5. If you'd like to go into specifics.

And GT series has always been just that, more and more cars, as the did with Part 2 with the two disc set, to Gran Turismo 3 on PS2. And GT4 was terrible and a waste of a purchase, so I expected more out of 5.

With so many racing titles racing for sim status and some doing a hell of a better job. GT5 isn't much more than collecting cars! You don't have the customization, nor graphic details of Forza, during menu's and photo mode you have nice cars, on the track they drop resolution. Forza looks good in menu, and while driving. Not to mention I can customize to a "T". Forza's tracks are more detailed, complete environments with 3D crowds, building, high rises, etc. GT5 2D HD polygons with interlace buildings to keep progress lights on cars.

Burnout Paradise and Shift have better details in their cars, Codemasters Grid and Dirt 2 have better lighting, reflections, and car details than GT5, and I'm talking about while on the track, not while in photo mode.

As I've stated before release all those beautiful close up images during marketing were misleading to the car details during racing.

But against, I guess my disappointment or views can seem biased from the unbiased gamer.

# 36 Whitesox @ 11/28/10 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	But I will say this, I have fun with other driving games more than GT5, hell Toca Racer Driver 2 and 3 are better than GT5. If you'd like to go into specifics.

Why have this debate if you don't want to get into specifics? What is better about those games?

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	With so many racing titles racing for sim status and some doing a hell of a better job. GT5 isn't much more than collecting cars!

Well, except for the racing part in GT5, which is realistic. Is there something in TOCA beyond racing cars? If I remember correctly, you don't even purchase cars in TOCA.

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	You don't have the customization, nor graphic details of Forza, during menu's and photo mode you have nice cars, on the track they drop resolution. Forza looks good in menu, and while driving. Not to mention I can customize to a "T". Forza's tracks are more detailed, complete environments with 3D crowds, building, high rises, etc. GT5 2D HD polygons with interlace buildings to keep progress lights on cars.

Perhaps you should visit the tune shop in GT Mode? Plenty of customization. Not a ton of visual customization, but the cars look good enough already.

As for tracks, could you cite examples? I see little difference between Forza and Gran Turismo's tracks.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but you speak of 3D crowds. I went to google and searched for a crowd picture, and came upon a forum thread of people talking about Forza's graphics.

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	Burnout Paradise and Shift have better details in their cars, Codemasters Grid and Dirt 2 have better lighting, reflections, and car details than GT5, and I'm talking about while on the track, not while in photo mode.

Burnout:

Spoiler

Shift:

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GT 5 (Stolen from the photo thread)

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Shift is an excellent looking game, no doubt. But I humbly disagree with the above statements.

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	As I've stated before release all those beautiful close up images during marketing were misleading to the car details during racing. But against, I guess my disappointment or views can seem biased from the unbiased gamer.

The above images were taken from races. Details aren't disappearing from cars during races and reappearing when you take photos. The cars in GT 5 look phenomenal.

Also, the last statements makes no sense to me.

# 37 Whitesox @ 11/28/10 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by randombrother


	Dude at first glance that Porsche pic looks real. I was wondering why you were posting it. Secondly that pic is definitely photoshoped. Nowhere , that I know of , you see the crowd standing in complete darkness like that. Once you start photoshoping that pic loses credibility. In no way I say Forza has the best crowds on earth but they definitely aren't the worse. When racing cars don't have the same level of detail as they do in photo mode. The resolution is knocked back to keep the game moving.

Firstly, are you accusing me of photoshopping that picture? If so, check this thread. (NOTE: I do not share the views in that thread, just the pictrues. If you can prove otherwise, please do.)

Also note that all of the pictures above were not taken in game, so saying that cars in race don't look as good is a moot point.

# 38 trufootball @ 11/28/10 07:09 PM

if you want a racing sim, the NFS Shift series is where its at

# 39 Behindshadows @ 11/28/10 07:15 PM

You took a crappy photo of Forza 3 with someone playing it with AV cables...lmao....and from a replay angle none the less...

Try HD!!!

Forza 3 - Gameplay

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Forza 3 - Photo Mode

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and when I was talking about Shift, Burnout, etc....I meant gameplay wise graphics... But here are better replay images than those low resolution images you posted.

NFS: Shift

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Burnout Paradise - Gameplay Images and Photo mode

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Codemasters - Toca Pro Racer Driver 3

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Codemasters - GRID

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# 40 CaptainZombie @ 11/28/10 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitesox


	Firstly, are you accusing me of photoshopping that picture? If so, check this thread. (NOTE: I do not share the views in that thread, just the pictrues. If you can prove otherwise, please do.) Also note that all of the pictures above were not taken in game, so saying that cars in race don't look as good is a moot point.

Do you realize that any criticism that is given to GT5, yourself and Enigma keep jumping all over people? Face it, GT5 is far from perfect. Considering it took 5-6 years to release (depending in which region you live) people will have some negatives.

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