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NHL 11 Video: Disallowed Goal, Is it a Goal or Not?

11:54 AM - July 26, 2010 by Steve_OS

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# 21 BlueNGold @ 07/26/10 06:45 PM

My jaw dropped when I seen that goal/non-goal. That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by Money99


	Awesome to know Rammer. Thanks for the clarification.

That isn't Rammer.

# 22 Mikey88 @ 07/26/10 07:01 PM

Wow great sequence there! First off, I love the hit Kubina puts on Kessel - looks really good..On Kulemin's backhand - goalie is down really early, but i see that happen all the time with goalies.. and the bat-in IMO is definitely a goal.

# 23 Gagnon39 @ 07/26/10 09:04 PM

Well, I think it was a goal. So what happens? Are they going to show us the rest of this video? Does it get reviewed and declared a goal? There's no way his stick was above the crossbar.

# 24 KraZe @ 07/26/10 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehardfan


	Ok, its a nice feature but isn't it implemented wrong? If the ref waves it off, shouldnt the play continue until the next whistle...then, get it reviewed on video.

With that play, the puck had actually entered the net, and everyone considered the play dead. It was the Ref's decision at that point to waive off the goal because of the potential high-stick.

If it was something like a puck being shot from the blue-line, hitting a post and bouncing back into play, the goal judge may put the light on, but everyone may consider the play to still be alive thinking the puck hit the post. Once the play is dead, the play may be reviewed to find that, infact, the puck stuck the rear crossbar inside the net, therefore, good goal.

(I hope that made sense)

# 25 Diehardfan @ 07/26/10 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KraZe


	With that play, the puck had actually entered the net, and everyone considered the play dead. It was the Ref's decision at that point to waive off the goal because of the potential high-stick. If it was something like a puck being shot from the blue-line, hitting a post and bouncing back into play, the goal judge may put the light on, but everyone may consider the play to still be alive thinking the puck hit the post. Once the play is dead, the play may be reviewed to find that, infact, the puck stuck the rear crossbar inside the net, therefore, good goal. (I hope that made sense)

In the Hawks-Sharks 2010 playoff round there was a similar play where the ref waved off the goal and they kept right on playing for over 2 minutes before a whistle...it was at that time they did the review. The ref in the video waves it off immediately, so play could or maybe should have continued.

# 26 KraZe @ 07/26/10 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Diehardfan


	In the Hawks-Sharks 2010 playoff round there was a similar play where the ref waved off the goal and they kept right on playing for over 2 minutes before a whistle...it was at that time they did the review. The ref in the video waves it off immediately, so play could or maybe should have continued.

I'd have to see the play you're referring to, as I can't remember it off the top of my head, but every play is different. It depends on the reaction of the players/puck/referee.

Just because the ref came in right away to wave off a goal doesn't mean the play should just go on. In this scenario, there was no question the puck went in the net, and the immediate reaction is "Puck in Net = Dead Play". The ref made the decision at that point in time (which would be post-whistle due to the puck crossing the goal-line) that it was a bad goal and would be reviewed.

# 27 actionhank @ 07/26/10 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LuGer33


	Not sure I agree with any of your observations. 1. I think we saw in NHL 10 w/ shooting from the knees and bat in goals that EA is very good at finding the right frequency for these sort of "wow" moment goals. I could certainly be wrong, but based on my experience w/ NHL 10, and the fact that I saw nothing even close to this from two days of playing NHL 11 late in May, I would say you needn't have to worry about this. 2. Warps around him? Not sure I notice what you mean. Looks like he just side steps the sprawling body and picks up the puck. Maybe could have been a bit more of an impact between Kessel and the forward who took the backhand, but not much. Nothing that really bothers me at least. 3. Both Atlanta d-men were human controlled. Red icon above the guy who throws the hit, and blue icon about the guy who skates away. Only Thrashers players in the clip who weren't human controlled was the goalie and the guy who made a break towards the Leafs' player who took the backhander. With all that said, the puck physics are a bit off there but I think it's still an awesome clip. Since 110% realistic isn't possible on this generation of hardware, I think everything from the original hit to the blocker save to Kessel swinging from his back on the ice to the actual "collision" between the puck mid-air and stick itself are all awesome examples of the tech driving this year's game, and of a really cool hockey play. Then of course the fact that it's waived off and reviewed is just icing on the cake. Basically everything good about that play far outweighs anything negative imo.

If you watch Kessel as he falls, his head and shoulders hit the guy who ends up taking the shot on net, but neither of them really react to it.
He just kind of moves off his path a bit, but doesn't "react" with an animation of any kind.

Not that it matters a whole lot, just a minor issue.
I just hope that if you lay a big hit on someone, and they go into another player, you don't just have some guy falling and people sliding out of the way with a skating animation.

# 28 green94 @ 07/26/10 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bash

LMAO

Mind = Blown

# 29 green94 @ 07/26/10 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TreyIM2


	Whatever the case, that was HOT! This will definitely be my first NHL game since I don't remember when...

You've been missing out! You will absolutely love this game.

# 30 plaidchuck @ 07/26/10 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by actionhank


	If you watch Kessel as he falls, his head and shoulders hit the guy who ends up taking the shot on net, but neither of them really react to it. He just kind of moves off his path a bit, but doesn't "react" with an animation of any kind. Not that it matters a whole lot, just a minor issue. I just hope that if you lay a big hit on someone, and they go into another player, you don't just have some guy falling and people sliding out of the way with a skating animation.

My thoughts exactly. It's not a gamebreaker, just a little bit of a letdown but I'm sure they'll have the physics and hits perfected in the next iteration.

Also to people wondering if the play is dead, if the goal light goes on the play is automatically dead right?

# 31 KraZe @ 07/27/10 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by plaidchuck


	My thoughts exactly. It's not a gamebreaker, just a little bit of a letdown but I'm sure they'll have the physics and hits perfected in the next iteration. Also to people wondering if the play is dead, if the goal light goes on the play is automatically dead right?

Not necessarily. Like my example with the puck hitting the post and bouncing out of the net, there's been times when the light went on and play continued. After a few minutes of play, the puck was finally frozen. The play was reviewed and determined that the goal judge was right in turning the light on, as the puck hitting the post (which was very audible during play in real-time) was actually the rear cross-bar in the back of the net. It ricocheted off that and back out the other side of the net, it just happened so quickly that everyone thought the puck hit the front cross-bar and didn't go into the net. The ref was immediately giving the "No-Goal" motion on that play, but because the puck came out so quick, everyone believed it was off the post and the goal judge had jumped the gun.

# 32 ericromain @ 07/27/10 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by plaidchuck


	Also to people wondering if the play is dead, if the goal light goes on the play is automatically dead right?

Red light doesn't kill the play, only the whistle.

If goal reviews are limited to high sticks and kick ins, then the play will always be dead, which is all we've had confirmed at this point. The only situation that would continue is if the ref thinks the puck didn't go in, i'm not sure if those type of goal/no goal situations are going to be in the game.

# 33 joshtree14 @ 07/27/10 02:16 AM

it doest matter if its a high stick or not. the puck hit the POST and never even went in

# 34 l3ulvl @ 07/27/10 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by joshtree14


	it doest matter if its a high stick or not. the puck hit the POST and never even went in

Any minute now, the Dev's will declare you the winner

# 35 onlybygrace @ 07/27/10 03:11 AM

The plot thickens...

# 36 pf8363 @ 07/27/10 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by joshtree14


	it doest matter if its a high stick or not. the puck hit the POST and never even went in

yes. if the puck did in fact go in then that was just terrible puck physics. theres been a problem with that part of the net in nhl since 09 so i think it could have gone in

# 37 DaveDQ @ 07/27/10 11:10 AM

What a great looking series of events. No one was expecting that to happen. I bet the user did let out a roar. I would have for sure.

Very impressive.

# 38 JezFranco @ 07/27/10 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pf8363


	yes. if the puck did in fact go in then that was just terrible puck physics. theres been a problem with that part of the net in nhl since 09 so i think it could have gone in

Agree, if you look on the orange crosshair following the puck it seems that (at least) most part of the puck is inside the goal line.
The whole puck muts be inside the line for it to be goal, but as you mentioned, if the puck was batted from that position, ended up just inside the post, then it seems wierd to have bounce out of the goal.

Seen that in 09 an 10 as well...

# 39 rapsrule4 @ 07/27/10 01:34 PM

Its the leafs of course it was a goal

# 40 DStars15 @ 07/27/10 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rapsrule4


	Its the leafs of course it was a goal

Because they scored so many last year right? Just kidding, being a Stars fan I didn't see too many either.

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