06:24 PM - July 9, 2010 by Steve_OS
GoMadden has posted an interview with Ian Cummings, Creative Director of Madden NFL 11.
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Madden NFL 11 News Post
06:24 PM - July 9, 2010 by Steve_OSGoMadden has posted an interview with Ian Cummings, Creative Director of Madden NFL 11.
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# 81
SeventhWard @ 07/12/10 07:04 PM
I have a lot of respect for Ian. I was totally encouraged by his approach to the community during the development of Madden 10. However, in this interview when he says...
The hardware currently would have real problems with this amount of calculation
...I wholeheartedly disagree. Maybe I'm too passionate about Madden but hearing him say that got under my skin.
Perhaps it may be too much of a problem to incorporate a physics solution into their structure at Tiburon...but essentially throwing 360 and PS3 under the bus as being supposedly "not awesome enough" is downright wrong.
Perhaps I've been mislead, but the 'common gamer knowledge' says the full depth of processing power from this generation of consoles still hasn't been pushed to full potential. And I find it hard to believe that Madden is too much of a technical challenge for the industry, given that Backbreaker is able to do it, right now, at 60 frames per second.
I think this interview has had the effect of making me much more skeptical about the future of the series rather than optimistic.
-SeventhWard
The hardware currently would have real problems with this amount of calculation
...I wholeheartedly disagree. Maybe I'm too passionate about Madden but hearing him say that got under my skin.
Perhaps it may be too much of a problem to incorporate a physics solution into their structure at Tiburon...but essentially throwing 360 and PS3 under the bus as being supposedly "not awesome enough" is downright wrong.
Perhaps I've been mislead, but the 'common gamer knowledge' says the full depth of processing power from this generation of consoles still hasn't been pushed to full potential. And I find it hard to believe that Madden is too much of a technical challenge for the industry, given that Backbreaker is able to do it, right now, at 60 frames per second.
I think this interview has had the effect of making me much more skeptical about the future of the series rather than optimistic.
-SeventhWard
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# 83
Maelstrom-XIII @ 07/12/10 10:13 PM
Is it just me, or does it sound as if Ian is saying Madden 12 will be the "foundation" year for the new franchise? If so, we could probably expect to have a great franchise mode....in Madden 13.
Maybe it's just me though...
Maybe it's just me though...
wasn't this the same DEV team that said a polygon based football was not possible with PS1 hardware?
then comes Gameday from 989 studios..
then comes Gameday from 989 studios..
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Senator Palmer @ 07/12/10 10:50 PM
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There's something else in the interview that got me curious too. There's all this mention that this generation's franchise mode was built on the previous gen's code. If that's the case then why has this franchise mode been so stripped down and incomplete vs. last gen when the framework was already in place? I think a lot of us would be satiated for the time being if we could have what he had last gen.
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RaiderKtulu @ 07/12/10 11:22 PM
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I think in order to say the hardware is limiting progress you have to also include that because they have not truly started from the ground up, it is difficult to take advantage of the hardware. It's just not a one way street here. Many sports video games have proven that this generation.
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I agree. Madden 99 was my favorite PS1 Madden and Madden 07 is probably my fave PS3 Madden. These are the only two Madden games in the history of Madden, and I've owned them all except the Apple II versions, that you could actually and consistently throw over a defenders head. 99 was the last time that we had Route Based Passing too.
Madden 07 had issues, but it had the most realistic passing game. Yes, you could complete bombs too easily, but that is because the game always makes catchable passes and the AI was a little more dumb than usual. But at least in that game you were actually scared to leave your corners in man without Safety help. In every other Madden, I was never scared at all, because I knew that the receiver would have to beat my DB by a good 10yds or else I would still have a good chance of swatting the pass while trailing. Not realistic at all.
After seeing a few videos of NHL 11 in motion, it is no longer acceptable for Ian to say that RTP is a damn-near impossible feat in Madden.
First of, 22-man pile-ups don't even happen in real life, in goal-line situations. So, to use that as an excuse not to even consider RTP is insulting to the intelligence of the users on this forum. Second, the "other game" can't even be used as an example because it even does the physics wrong at times; however, you can use a game made by the SAME COMPANY, NHL 11, as a perfect example. Just watching the promo vids, you can see that each hit is different, AND there are possibilities for struggles and "stalemates".
Locomotion is a good addition, and RTP would be a perfect companion. But, it goes back to a statement I made before Madden 10 came out:
"They HAVE to stop letting their marketing department develop the game."
IMO, if there's no RTP in Madden, their flagship FOOTBALL game (anyone else find it silly that a hockey game, AND A BASKETBALL GAME, have RTP before Madden does?), next year, then it's never gonna come.
And, after reading the impressions on the Madden demo, sales are gonna drop. Then, Tiburon will have two choices:
1. Innovate, and add real upgrades, like RTP, along with a new and functioning Franchise Mode.
2. Get even DEEPER in the gimmick pool, and pull more useless features out of a hat (not REALLY what I wanted to say, lol) to cater to the casual/tourney crowd.
Plus, let's stop with the misconception of casual gamers. Most casual users don't even know how to audible out of a play. So, the fact that they changed the way you audible and call plays to cater to them, loses me. Casual gamers will always be casual gamers. The only ones that become hardcore players are the ones who are willing to put in the time to learn the game. And, even then, that STILL doesn't make them "sim" gamers.
Not blasting Madden, just stating my opinion on the matter...
First of, 22-man pile-ups don't even happen in real life, in goal-line situations. So, to use that as an excuse not to even consider RTP is insulting to the intelligence of the users on this forum. Second, the "other game" can't even be used as an example because it even does the physics wrong at times; however, you can use a game made by the SAME COMPANY, NHL 11, as a perfect example. Just watching the promo vids, you can see that each hit is different, AND there are possibilities for struggles and "stalemates".
Locomotion is a good addition, and RTP would be a perfect companion. But, it goes back to a statement I made before Madden 10 came out:
"They HAVE to stop letting their marketing department develop the game."
IMO, if there's no RTP in Madden, their flagship FOOTBALL game (anyone else find it silly that a hockey game, AND A BASKETBALL GAME, have RTP before Madden does?), next year, then it's never gonna come.
And, after reading the impressions on the Madden demo, sales are gonna drop. Then, Tiburon will have two choices:
1. Innovate, and add real upgrades, like RTP, along with a new and functioning Franchise Mode.
2. Get even DEEPER in the gimmick pool, and pull more useless features out of a hat (not REALLY what I wanted to say, lol) to cater to the casual/tourney crowd.
Plus, let's stop with the misconception of casual gamers. Most casual users don't even know how to audible out of a play. So, the fact that they changed the way you audible and call plays to cater to them, loses me. Casual gamers will always be casual gamers. The only ones that become hardcore players are the ones who are willing to put in the time to learn the game. And, even then, that STILL doesn't make them "sim" gamers.
Not blasting Madden, just stating my opinion on the matter...
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