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MLB '10 The Show Rosters: OS Full Minors v4 (Opening Day Only)

03:20 AM - June 26, 2010 by Millennium

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	"SportsConnect Name: OSFM V4ReRated Sendspace File: http://www.sendspace.com/file/xck4yk O.S. Full Minors V.4 Includes the Full Minors rosters with all credit to Knight165, RidinDwnKinglsey and KSig24. Includes Faces by Knight165, Mr. Franchise and the great team of contributors to that aspect. Includes the Stances and Accessories by Strut24 and the community at large who provided information for their local / favorite players. Includes the Pitch and Stamina Edits by RAZRr1275 and Pope300hitter05. Includes the majority of SCEA created players, both pitchers and hitters, re-rated utilizing the Roster Tools program using a true (non-weighted) 3 year rating average (07-08-09) as a base. These ratings were then modified in an attempt to mirror 2010 performance. Note that some SCEA created players were not modified due to lack of MLB service time and small sample set. Full credit for this version to Bahnzo for all the work he does on the Roster Tool. Full credit and especially thanks to ThirdDegree5803 who put in a ton of time working of this roster version. Enjoy and please leave feedback. V4.1 to come - Different Stamina edits."

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OS Full Minors v4 (Franchise File)

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Originally Posted by HustlinOwl


	franchise file, let me know if anything is missed. http://www.sendspace.com/file/0n3kkc

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OS Full Minors v4.1 (Franchise File)

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Originally Posted by HustlinOwl


	Couple different to try: http://www.sendspace.com/file/875paz http://mfi.re/?w5orzt202yzrmmt

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# 121 Phillies2010 @ 06/26/10 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdDegree5803


	guys i uploaded the set w/ a couple fixes....those i mentioned above/maybe a page back (Castro/Vargas/etc.) and you'll see i messed w/ the closers a little...i lowered the majority of closers' durability (ended up leaving stamina alone) and switched a couple relievers here and there to CL that either are A. possibly being groomed as a closer or started closing due to injury & B. have closed some games this season its under v4 minorfixes on the vault for anyone interested...could anyone key me in on the missing players on the set? i know mike lamb apparently is? is he a free agent on the set? im guessing he's either back on fla or somewhere else... if hustlinowl doesn't do his franchise file i might get this underway soon i just don't know if its tonight or tomorrow i'll let you guys know...

Is there anyway somepne could upload these minor fixes to here so I can download them? That would be great

# 122 Dean3790 @ 06/26/10 11:17 PM

So Bahnzo's RosterTool is up and running again. Are these the stamina ratings you guys will be using for v4.1? The ones calculated by his roster tool?

# 123 slyfox @ 06/26/10 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean3790


	It is solely stamina related. I am mainly testing by playing games and throwing pitches with my starter until he is completely depleted on energy. If Price is AVERAGING 106 per game, and he can't reach 92 without draining all of his energy, AND the starter stamina is at 6, how can RAZR say these are realistic? So every time Price has pitched he has been running on absolute empty for at least 15 pitches? That's a whole inning worth of pitches with ABSOLUTELY 0 ENERGY. That's insane. RAZR said these weren't for simmed stats and that he didn't care about producing unrealistic sim stats. Now, they are producing unrealistic played game stats. He could at least admit this and try to help out. I really appreciate all the work you guys put in and love to use these rosters, but this issue is killing it for me now.

I'm sorry Dean, but you are not entitled to an exclusive set of the FM rosters catered to your own desires and preferences. You have mentioned how some of the designers/makers of the FM rosters have screwed things up/have been unfair and then accused them of lying about the results of such roster.....you have been rude and WAY OUT OF LINE. Even if your premises have been accurate (I mostly disagree) you have communicated your observations in a very poor way. If you are as un-satisfied with the results of the FM rosters as you've stated thus far, I think you ought to spend some time creating your own rosters.

# 124 Dean3790 @ 06/26/10 11:40 PM

It's a done deal. I'm over it. I was just pointing out that Price needed fixing.

# 125 HustlinOwl @ 06/27/10 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by miles999


	Well said, a little more diplomacy, please! -Scott Strickland of the Marlins was one of the players missing, too, he closed some games for their 3A team before being called up (he's a mlb vet). -Mike Lamb 1b/3b from the same team (also a vet) -Brian Sweeney (back from playing well in Japan, a 2.51 ERA in 3A Tacoma before being called up) from Mariners -Angel Sanchez from Red Sox/Pawtucket for CAP I believe Lamb and Sanchez are on the latest SCEA update.

and who are you willing to drop to make these happen?

# 126 grgmths1433 @ 06/27/10 12:07 AM

hey hustlinowl how is that franchise file coming along bruh.just curious

# 127 HustlinOwl @ 06/27/10 12:12 AM

slowly busy weekend with family in town and tomorrow heading to Great America.

# 128 grgmths1433 @ 06/27/10 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HustlinOwl


	slowly busy weekend with family in town and tomorrow heading to Great America.

do you have those missing caps?if you do can you post them please.thx

# 129 grgmths1433 @ 06/27/10 12:25 AM

i working on making an up to date rosters.i setting the 25/40 rosters and do the lineups and the bullpen.i have finish 9 or 10 teams already.

# 130 abcabc @ 06/27/10 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean3790


	So Bahnzo's RosterTool is up and running again. Are these the stamina ratings you guys will be using for v4.1? The ones calculated by his roster tool?

yeah, if i recall correctly, that would be correct, it's on the old v3 thread... but remember, the rostertool is what makes v4 what it is, thanks to jasnake and TDs time and familiarity w/ using it...

so being that stamina was the only thing in v4 that was not based on rostertool information, v4.1 shall make it so.

# 131 strut24 @ 06/27/10 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HustlinOwl


	slowly busy weekend with family in town and tomorrow heading to Great America.

Hustlin, are you gonna do a franchise file for v4.1 as well? Then we are finally done?

# 132 mrrux @ 06/27/10 12:47 AM

Can someone clarify if with v4 we have to use this sliders from RAZR... ?

USER
Pitch control 1
Consistency 7

CPU
Control 5
Consistency 3
Strike Frequency 0
Manager Hook 4

and
Starter Stamina 5
Reliever Stamina 0 for both user and cpu

what is :

V4.1 to come - Different Stamina edits ????????

# 133 abcabc @ 06/27/10 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slyfox


	I'm sorry Dean, but you are not entitled to an exclusive set of the FM rosters catered to your own desires and preferences. You have mentioned how some of the designers/makers of the FM rosters have screwed things up/have been unfair and then accused them of lying about the results of such roster.....you have been rude and WAY OUT OF LINE. Even if your premises have been accurate (I mostly disagree) you have communicated your observations in a very poor way. If you are as un-satisfied with the results of the FM rosters as you've stated thus far, I think you ought to spend some time creating your own rosters.

hmm, actually Dean isnt looking for an exclusive set after all, if you think about it for a sec. the exclusive set was already released under the guise of v3 for the masses. basically V3 received a sorta 'personal' stamina edits set into the project i think based on rodcarew's research or formula for what stamina should be for starting pitchers that worked out okay for Razrs own in-game play needs, but for which sim results are unknown, uncared for. this was implemented last yr also if i recall correctly, nobody objected i think on the results, ingame or simmed...

jasnake's and TD's work w/ Banzho's info. contribution the to the project this yr as of v4 is something new for this yr, though it tested well in a yr end roster release by jasnake that very few people downloaded and tested (I did)...

attributes generated by the banzho tool and jasnake's '3 yr avg' calculations sim out and play out well by all accounts far as I can read.

thus, whatever apparently can be done for the pitcher attributes w/ this method's data, will make v4.1 more complete...a set that is more fully banzho tool derived... thus v4.1 being a set no longer containing exclusive tweaks originally meant for razrs own play (and still is), but he had been kind enough to share (along with his pitch edits), out for the masses for multiple mlb the shows.

this being said, i dont know how the banzho info can do the job for accurate stamina ratings whereby zero energy bar occurs after about 110 pitches. Anyway, from my 1 test tonight, a starting pitcher w/ a stamima of say 71, will have a zero energy bar around 95 pitches. meaning, he wont maintain the same mph on his pitches, yet most MLB starters do w/o problem. here's the one test... if i up the stamina 10%, to like 78, i tested and the pitcher can go to like 105, maybe even 110 pitches i dont remember... before a zero energy bar, that is, 105-110 pitches before drops in his mph. that i think, is headed in the right direction to better match real MLB starter stamina.... so, give everyone across the roster 10-12% more stamina rating? dunno that 'curve' across the board assumes no starter on the roster needs more than 10-12%... or that some were to high to begin with. anyway, i figure manager hook would need to be tweaked also. Remember was it not up until maybe 10 yrs ago, that MLB had this defined middle relief pitcher. Starters would go 120+ pitches, then go to the closer that pitched 2+ innings. in that era you'd see starter ooph dropoff. now, the closer does 1+ IP, on max effort, rosters have loads of middle relievers/setup men specialists... and starters are capped 'manager hooked' at/shortly after this magical number of 100 pitchcount.... starters are basically yanked before they drop off...

# 134 Bamafan3723 @ 06/27/10 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275


	Well I see that now you have to go to calling me a liar instead of actually being constructive. The only thing that I have to admit is that I'm having no issues with this set and therefore nothing will be done about it on my end. Hope your happy with v4.1 because after that it's over.

The pitch and stamina edits are great. Loving them. All this whining about the stamina is ridiculous.

# 135 HustlinOwl @ 06/27/10 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by miles999


	For Hustlin or other perfectionnists like us: It depends if you need to drop someone from the same team or no? -LF Randall Grichuk (Angels), hasn't hit well this year, might take him some time to even reach 2A, see 'ya for the Show '12 or '13 I guess (he's 18). web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=545341 -Schoeneweis (Boston) is a CAP, can be edited into someone else, good! To Seattle as Brian Sweeney? Mariners have 2 19 year-old SS, and Nick Franklin might be a good one web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=545338 Gaby Noriega could be moved to Boston and changed to A.Sanchez? -RF Marcell Ozuna (19 year old with FLA) could be edited into M.Lamb. -There's still the "Grant A" player that's editable/usable in the FA pool. NB: Robert Manuel and Daniel Cabrera (AAA Boston)+ Bryson Cox and Jason Rice (AA Boston) are CP, Dustin Richardson and Richie Lentz are RP. SP named Stolmy Pimental (also Red Sox) is really spelled Pimentel. Matt Dominguez (3b with FLA, a good prospect), is 20yo not 18.

those players can remain, once you start a season or franchise several players are created as free agents that are editable.

# 136 grgmths1433 @ 06/27/10 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by miles999


	Oh thanks for the info! I think I meant for ThirdDegree and grgmths anyway! I've been working on updating all transactions (even 3A and 2A) to have up-to-date rosters to play online (if it's even possible), like you do Hustlin, but for exhibition or RTTS play. (BTW I'm using mvpEdit, a great tool)

where can i find that mvpedit program.can i even use it for the show?thx

# 137 TheTruth916 @ 06/27/10 03:00 AM

I just downloaded the v4 rosters..anyone have Willy Taveras on the Nationals still because I know he is a Phillie. I am just wondering because maybe my rosters are not loading correctly. Can anyone check there rosters to see and let me know..

Edit: Looks like there is a few issues with these rosters. Players that are no longer on teams are still there unless or am i missing something?

# 138 hope4bob @ 06/27/10 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheTruth916


	I just downloaded the v4 rosters..anyone have Willy Taveras on the Nationals still because I know he is a Phillie. I am just wondering because maybe my rosters are not loading correctly. Can anyone check there rosters to see and let me know..

If I'm not mistaken v4 like previous versions is made up of Opening Day Rosters. What team was he on opening day?

bob

# 139 TheRunAndShoot @ 06/27/10 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by miles999


	For Hustlin or other perfectionnists like us: It depends if you need to drop someone from the same team or no? -LF Randall Grichuk (Angels), hasn't hit well this year, might take him some time to even reach 2A, see 'ya for the Show '12 or '13 I guess (he's 18). web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=545341 -Schoeneweis (Boston) is a CAP, can be edited into someone else, good! To Seattle as Brian Sweeney? Mariners have 2 19 year-old SS, and Nick Franklin might be a good one web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=545338 Gaby Noriega could be moved to Boston and changed to A.Sanchez? -RF Marcell Ozuna (19 year old with FLA) could be edited into M.Lamb. -There's still the "Grant A" player that's editable/usable in the FA pool. NB: Robert Manuel and Daniel Cabrera (AAA Boston)+ Bryson Cox and Jason Rice (AA Boston) are CP, Dustin Richardson and Richie Lentz are RP. SP named Stolmy Pimental (also Red Sox) is really spelled Pimentel. Matt Dominguez (3b with FLA, a good prospect), is 20yo not 18.

Sure Sweeney for Nick Franklin... Except Franklin is hitting 295 with an 890 OPS. And 14 HR which is 2nd in the midwest league. Without looking at the roster the other 19y.o. SS is either Noriega or Triunfel who are also good prospects.

I could look at the rosters tomorrow and give you a better name.

# 140 ThirdDegree5803 @ 06/27/10 04:48 AM

just interesting info before bed...i get bored...

espn power rankings (team rankings in v4 of the show)

1. Yanks (1) - no shock
2. Red Sox (2) - no shock
3. Rays (13) - i can't say i thought they'd be where they are right now
4. Braves (6) - close
5. Rangers (8) - close
6. Twins (15) - twins farm system weak?
7. Padres (22) - see above #6 & #3
8. Tigers (20) - ? considering recent late-season crashes, maybe?
9. Mets (26) - ? see above?
10. Cards (10) ding dang dong
11. Giants (3) - ? I know timmy smoked too much this off-season
12. Dodgers (7) close i'll take it
13. Blue Jays (12) close!!!
14. Angels (9) close i'll take it
15. Phillies (4) - ? they'll come back
16. Reds (11) reds are always over-rated but their pitching is deep
17. Rockies (5) - ? team always rebounds late
18. White Sox (16) very nice
19. marlins (19) ding dang dong lol
20. athletics (25) close enough
21. Cubs (14) see carlos zambrano, aramis ramirez, & d. lee
22. Nationals (21) very nice
23. Brewers (18) very nice
24. Royals (29) ok i guess
25. Mariners (30) losing griff will be the difference...
26. Indians (27) close!!!
27. Dbacks (17) brandon webb? dan haren?
28. Astros (24) close
29. Pirates (28) shoo-in
30. Orioles (23) baltimore has some talent, right?

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