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Kotaku has posted their eyes on impressions of NBA 2K11.

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"When you see it and you do it, it just feels natural," said producer Rob Jones. "There's more gesturing, and less of straight commands."

Jones was pretty direct that the game had not "scrapped" iso-motion, but did acknowledge that player control was going to behave in a different way. They just didn't say how. Jones did say the right analog will remain the game's Shot Stick, a control introduced way back in NBA 2K6. That does not necessarily exclude putting dribble controls on the right analog, as we see in NBA Elite. 2K will be very sensitive to insinuations it's mimicking that control set, especially considering the return of Mike Wang, who spent a year up in Canada working on NBA Live.

Aspirationally, they want to go for a total-body-control system that NBA Elite also is implementing. Jones explained it to me with an example: Moving across the lane on the run, parallel to the baseline, if you push up a shot, what would you expect to see in real life? A runner, with the shooter's arm out 90 degrees from his body. In NBA 2K10, he'd stop on a dime and pop the shot or, if he was close enough, move into an unnatural layup animation."

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# 21 Earl1963 @ 06/24/10 10:18 AM
Hmm, 2k11 is still very much a mystery. So far the other hoop game looks more fun, and most of all, new.
 
# 22 Goffs @ 06/24/10 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Smooth 00
2k has not impresses me with just talk of presentation
oh boy let me guess...Live just wowed you and now 2k needs to step up their game....same ol song and dance only this time its a lot earlier lol

im staying away from the forums till late Oct so every info for Live and 2k will be nice and fresh...
 
# 23 TreyIM2 @ 06/24/10 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 23
Can I ask you why you feel 2k is scrambling as if they arent capable of having their own plan?
Never said that 2K isn't capable. I think EA's somewhat revamped 1:1 controls puts pressure on 2K to come up with something just like when DNA came out, 2K suddenly comes up with their own, lesser version of it which looked like something they scrambled to put together to match EA's new feature.
 
# 24 ffaacc03 @ 06/24/10 11:28 AM
The Shaq shooting 3s is a glitch that happens when you use custom rosters as well as leaving players roles on ... you wont be seeing this unless it is a shot to prevent clock from running out.

The gameplay of 2k10 is as deep as you could wish, maybe not as responsive as we would like (2k8), but you cant even compare it to any other existent basketball videogame (includding its own past versions).

Even more, the game as a whole (presentation-graphics-features-gameplay-sim engine-editability) is by far the most deep sportgame within the genre.

Thus that does not mean that it is perfect in any way (look at the wish lists) or that doesnt have flaws (as it came with an insane mutitude of glitchs with some new arising from the patches) or areas for improvements: like defense and control responsiveness.

With Wang (within the main responsables of Live10 upgrades) and the CH guys on board, we should see noticeable improvements on the responsiveness and facets we are all ineterested in. I have no doubts that 2k11 will be even more deep and complete than its past itinerations. And for the record, I also no doubts that Elite 11 will surpass Live 10.
 
# 25 Goffs @ 06/24/10 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TreyIM2
Never said that 2K isn't capable. I think EA's somewhat revamped 1:1 controls puts pressure on 2K to come up with something just like when DNA came out, 2K suddenly comes up with their own, lesser version of it which looked like something they scrambled to put together to match EA's new feature.
uhh...dude seriously? 2k has yet to show what the new controls would be like and you think they are scrambling? i mean...wtf...the info were all given out at E3 at the same time its not like 2k was waiting to see what the competitor is doing......the logic that some of you....good god....this was like the number 1 complaint.....scramble? mind boggling...
 
# 26 HealyMonster @ 06/24/10 11:48 AM
This game is sounding better and better everyday man. I cant wait to see it in action. What would you guys think, late August when we start really seeing it?
 
# 27 TreyIM2 @ 06/24/10 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mrnoobie
uhh...dude seriously? 2k has yet to show what the new controls would be like and you think they are scrambling? i mean...wtf...the info were all given out at E3 at the same time its not like 2k was waiting to see what the competitor is doing......the logic that some of you....good god....this was like the number 1 complaint.....scramble? mind boggling...
Dude, I'm just giving a train of thought to 23 to answer his question. If you DON'T think that whatever they called their answer to DNA was wasn't 2K looking over their shoulders at Live, you gotta be kidding me. I could see if Live came out with it one year then 2K did their own, more realized version of it the next but that wasn't the case. They scraped something together after DNA (365) was announced and it looked as such. Was it one man who was supposed to updated NBA2K's data or something like that? C'mon, son.

And to say that's not what's going on, now, with the controls is a valid point yet and still, 2K hints at a new control scheme but doesn't want to give away details in the face of EA's onslaught of info on revamped, 1:1 controls. Even in this article, 1:1 controls is uttered for the first time by 2K when it wasn't before. Now 2K is going with 1:1 controls, eh?

Maybe some people's logic is different from yours but, here, I see a similarity to what happened with another feature, before. THAT'S where my logic stems from.
 
# 28 23 @ 06/24/10 12:08 PM
Trey that is not what is going on here man, but I dont want to turn this into a vs. debate.

We can take it in the basketball (other) forum or by PM.

I want this to stay on topic guys
 
# 29 TreyIM2 @ 06/24/10 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 23
Trey that is not what is going on here man, but I dont want to turn this into a vs. debate.

We can take it in the basketball (other) forum or by PM.

I want this to stay on topic guys
I gotcha. Just responding to questioning my thoughts, nothing more.
 
# 30 23 @ 06/24/10 12:23 PM
Yeah I know, I just meant in general, and I dont want this 2k preview to turn into a thread that needs to be locked because thats what will happen.

Anyhow, 2k is always quiet until the end, you can count on that but with the addition of MJ I wonder if they'll do more advertising this year.
 
# 31 bearschicago @ 06/24/10 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TUSS11
Unfortunately you can't do that in NBA 2K. Basketball says to force baseline on defence. Try that on 2K and you might as well send Adam Morrison and D.J. Mbenga to the scorer's table.

Basketball says to finish a lay-up with the hand furthest from the defence. In NBA 2K the game chooses for you.


Basketball says not to pass into heavy traffic. NBA 2K encourages you to.


Basketball says to runs plays to get a high percentage shots. NBA 2K says run plays if you like taking end of shot clock desperation heaves.


Basketball says if the ball makes contact with the hand, the ball should be deflected. NBA 2K says there are exceptions to this rule.


Basketball says Shaq should never shoot a 3-pointer, ever. NBA 2K's Shaq will pop the 3 if take one step back.


Basketball says off-ball defenders should be ready to help at any time. NBA 2K help defenders come over when LeBron is already in mid-air.


I think you get my drift; NBA 2K is nothing close to basketball.
2 days ago just for the heck of it I played as cheesy as one can possibly play. I was on the road as the Magic against the AI CPU Lakers. Hall of Fame difficulty with default sliders and 12 min quarters.

I was extremely surprised just how rewarding cheese basketball is in 2K10. I kept spamming the steal button(key to not get reach-in fouls is bump the offensive player first then quickly press steal button) as well as lead passes, run no offense, fastbreak at will, bypass camera zoom after a made basket etc etc.

I had a double digit lead for the majority of the game and won 178-163 or something like that. At the end of the 1st Quarter I scored 51 points.

Some things I noticed:

-One certain steal animation where the offensive player loses the ball. When this occurs near the sideline it seems like the defender poked it last but instead the offensive player did. This animation needs to go.

-Off-ball D is extremely weak. Out of 10 I would rank it 3 out of 10. Defenders carelessly lose their man, no resistance is offered when offensive players cut to the basket, its a mess.

-Fastbreaks are almost a guaranteed 2 points for me. In fact when I play against AI CPU I force myself to never run fastbreaks, I always run plays. One reason is AI CPU cannot do canimation blocks human users can.

-With the ball in hand using turbo, running around the defender is the same speed as going straight at the defender. A physical impossibility. Hoping this will be fixed in 2K11.

I see why cheesers play the way they do. Its more rewarding compared to sim style when it should be the opposite.

To me though, a realistic game=a fun game. Not the other way around. Hoping 2K11 will fit that motto.
 
# 32 kolanji @ 06/24/10 03:25 PM
well so far we heard very little on the offensive side of things in nba 2k11 and i have to admit that am impressed by the littlle.but what i hope is that the defensive side of things get shaken up just as much.
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# 33 NINJAK2 @ 06/24/10 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TreyIM2
Never said that 2K isn't capable. I think EA's somewhat revamped 1:1 controls puts pressure on 2K to come up with something just like when DNA came out, 2K suddenly comes up with their own, lesser version of it which looked like something they scrambled to put together to match EA's new feature.
Trey, they were planning to re-work the dribbling right after they finished 2k10 and before Wang jumped ship. They are not copying anyone. As Phil Jackson would say "Give them some (expletive) credit".
 
# 34 shugknight @ 06/24/10 04:25 PM
What made my eyes open wide was the fact that they mentioned somebody already had plans of what to do if MJ ever signed on with 2k.

I wonder what that will be?

Maybe a 1 on1 competition? Or Re-live MJ's career through My Player?
 
# 35 Beluba @ 06/24/10 04:28 PM
Please don't mistake our being hush re: our feature set as a sign that 2K11 is just another incremental iteration... you'll see in time, that's far from the case.

Also, I've known Elite's direction for quite some time now... so why would we be scrambling?
 
# 36 TheKasmar @ 06/24/10 04:57 PM
I'm interested in seeing how momentum will play out when it comes to shooting with the RS. The real problem that 2k has to overcome is the erratic movement. Fancy animations only make up for so much. If they can implement some decent control then their signature style, animations, and MJ(hopefully among other legends and teams) will keep them on top.
 
# 37 The 24th Letter @ 06/24/10 04:59 PM
Most of us realize that Beluba...I dont think any LOGICAL poster would look @ this info and think "wow theyre scrambling to keep up with competition" ....lol.
 
# 38 jfsolo @ 06/24/10 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Beluba
Please don't mistake our being hush re: our feature set as a sign that 2K11 is just another incremental iteration... you'll see in time, that's far from the case.

Also, I've known Elite's direction for quite some time now... so why would we be scrambling?
You know how it is B. Its exactly the same EVERY YEAR. "2K is hiding their game", "VC hasn't changed anything" "Stale, engine, tired, wash, rinse repeat."
 
# 39 blackngoldfan @ 06/24/10 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NINJAK2
Trey, they were planning to re-work the dribbling right after they finished 2k10 and before Wang jumped ship. They are not copying anyone. As Phil Jackson would say "Give them some (expletive) credit".
You stated that they already were "planning" to re-work the dribbling before Wang jumped ship.

Nothing happens in Wang's absence.

Wang comes back to 2k sports after spending a year or so with "the competition" and NOW they're ready to make changes.

There's nothing wrong with that. It would be foolish not to take something you see as positive from the competition, and try to somehow incorporate it into your own product. It is also foolish to believe that everything Wang saw at EA wasn't shared with the 2k crew.

As Phil Jackson would say "Give them(the competition) some (expletive) credit."

Mods: Sorry in advance. I will stay on topic from now on.
 
# 40 Rocboyz101 @ 06/24/10 06:19 PM
Well hopefully soon we can get news on something other than looks and presentation. imo they did an good job on this last year.
 


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