08:15 PM - June 9, 2010 by Admiral50NBA Elite 11 News Post
08:15 PM - June 9, 2010 by Admiral50NBA Elite 11 Videos
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We were doing euro's and shots in the EA offices...
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# 103
rockchisler @ 06/10/10 12:27 PM
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And I'm not saying this to justify or **** on your point - I've already described and showed video why I think it's possible and how two of us asked for that shot to change anyway. So we're probably more in agreement than you think, but in no way is that shot "not possible because of his footing."
Breathe gentleman breathe!
There are couple of things you guys are not taking into consideration. Number one, is the fact that there are a lot of animations that were not added into the game just yet. Number two, the user is in control of which hand the ball is in and so therefore; if the user was dribbling with his right hand and he decides to go left, the left stick controls his feet and so it's going to respond. If it looks awkward that's the users fault not the game's. I did noticed when I was using the controls that when I tried to make an awkward movement like that the player didn't respond as well. I may be the only one who noticed this, but it made me want to correct those awkward movements myself.
I really think it's too early for everyone to get their panties in a wad. There were a ton of things that were missing out of the build that we played, but yet the control scheme felt fantastic. Remember, these guys can now do in a couple of minutes the things that would generally take hours to do. I'm sure they will have plenty of time in 2 1/2 months to get all of those little bitty things worked out.
There are couple of things you guys are not taking into consideration. Number one, is the fact that there are a lot of animations that were not added into the game just yet. Number two, the user is in control of which hand the ball is in and so therefore; if the user was dribbling with his right hand and he decides to go left, the left stick controls his feet and so it's going to respond. If it looks awkward that's the users fault not the game's. I did noticed when I was using the controls that when I tried to make an awkward movement like that the player didn't respond as well. I may be the only one who noticed this, but it made me want to correct those awkward movements myself.
I really think it's too early for everyone to get their panties in a wad. There were a ton of things that were missing out of the build that we played, but yet the control scheme felt fantastic. Remember, these guys can now do in a couple of minutes the things that would generally take hours to do. I'm sure they will have plenty of time in 2 1/2 months to get all of those little bitty things worked out.
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I do agree you should be able to foul if you want to, but as it stands you foul when the CPU wants to make you foul and that happens ALOT.
I[quote] really don't think the ratings had has much to do with it as you are claiming.
We'll brotha I challenge you to go into Live 10 and tweak those ratings and you tell me if im lying. If you don't think Derek Fisher having an 85 defensive recovery rating didnt have much to do with what was going on then I dont know what else to say. Most of those ratings were over-powered.
[quote]Novell spoke of two man animations and he's right. That's what the man does for a living so I'm sure that he knows what he's talking. While I was in EA Canada I was able to see the things that he's talking about as far as two man animations are concerned.[quote]
You know what, im not questioning Novell about the canned sequences because they were definitely there causing problems, but to completely dismiss the ratings contribution to the suction and other issues is completely wrong, especially until you see for yourself. It had alot to do with alot of things, if not they wouldnt have so many of them, nor would they have told us they removed the ones that seemed irrelevant at the beginning of last year.
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As far shooting is concerned the new shooting mechanic in the game is totally different than what you're probably used to. It felt very natural and I did feel as though I had complete control over whether or not I make a shot. There are other factors involved however because you can just flick the stick in a particular direction and expect to make a shot every time. I think they've done a very good job of trying to replicate the feeling of shooting as if it were real life.
Thats fine, they now have a refined shot stick, but thats not my issue at all. using the logic that anything before this was just luck is what I disagree with, but again thats me.
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I feel this is a world of diffenence betwen what I said and your man apex. I find it interesting that Hockey Dude brought up apex in that interview when he thew the competition under the buss.
I have never been a lets see if we can tear this game down guy. My complaints are only concerning how this relates to gameplay. An issue I brought up earlier is if they game will look like basketball (human players moving) or will that get sacrificed
for control which may be great for some but not so great for others.
I am hardly interested in getting into a you said this about live but didn't say this about 2k battle with anyone on here that is a hopeless race. My thing is really how does this new system effect the gameplay as far as realism goes.
When you say real time physics I have a different expectation level. When you say revolution I raise my expectations accordingly.
But again you community day guys are holding all the cards man. I'm just like everybody else I have no idea what all you have seen and what all you experienced while up there. So these things may seem trivial to you guys.
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So I don't consider it so much a panties in a wad situation. I find that a bit looking down the nose. We love hoops. we have a video dam it lets get to discussin... Tongue in cheek of course but I'm sure you get my point !
@ Pared you Know its going to happen as soon as the other squad releases ANYTHING... ahh man they didn't fix this so I get that part.
# 108
Gmoney2002 @ 06/10/10 12:58 PM
And so it begins again...
I saw some good and some bad.
It's still too early to formulate any sort of prognosis on this game based on that video.
I saw some good and some bad.
It's still too early to formulate any sort of prognosis on this game based on that video.
I don't know why but the back and forth tires me.
I honestly can't grasp why guys can't wait until something is final. And that's my bad, as not everyone thinks that way.
I just wish we had this much involvement in playing these games online as we did here on the forums. I'd rather be talking to you guys about that epic game we played than this move isn't physically possible.
I honestly can't grasp why guys can't wait until something is final. And that's my bad, as not everyone thinks that way.
I just wish we had this much involvement in playing these games online as we did here on the forums. I'd rather be talking to you guys about that epic game we played than this move isn't physically possible.
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It's a bunch of hype because if you go back to 2009 releases, all the developers were touting their games as "the most improve blah blah blah."
# 111
bigsmallwood @ 06/10/10 01:19 PM
I think that it is way too early for everybody to be going in on each other over a game that is not close to being finished. The video is an early build and in NO way reflective of the final product.
While I do believe we should analyze what we are seeing, we should hold back on some of the so-called constructive criticism until the game is further along or at least until we see a video that is further along. At the end of the day we all want and are invested in great basketball gaming.
While I do believe we should analyze what we are seeing, we should hold back on some of the so-called constructive criticism until the game is further along or at least until we see a video that is further along. At the end of the day we all want and are invested in great basketball gaming.
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# 113
HoosierDaddy @ 06/10/10 02:32 PM
I just felt the need to address some of the complaints this video has been receiving. Many of the criticisms are based on a few things, so let me break it down.
1) EA comparing Elite to Live 10. Seriously? Don't all companies do this? It's not about marketing totally, it's about taking a foundation and building upon it. Regardless of what people may have said about this game, they are not completely re-building this game again. They made some drastic changes to the game, and trust me, they are for the better. The rest of the game contains features that already had a solid foundation and either improving or adding to them.
2) Graphics - You will be able to clearly see the difference in graphics when the time is right. This video was an early build that was used to showcase dribbling and player movement, nothing else. I can honestly say, having seen the game, the graphics have greatly improved overall. You'll have to take my word on this for the time being.
3) Control - I can't stress enough how much control you will have this year. I said in my blog last week, that it will be difficult to play any other game after getting your hands on the controller. Some of you think that's EA hype or them forcing us to preach that to you, but trust me once you play it, you'll understand my reasoning. Now, as previously mentioned in this thread, some of you have pointed out the awkward movements between euro steps and shot attempts, for example. These are all things that were pointed out to the EA dev team while we were there. Nothing has been "fine-tuned" or finalized about any of this. The beauty in all of this was our ability to see the game early and provide feedback/input about things that need to be altered or changed. Let's not forget also that due to this early build, the developers also haven't fully implemented their ideas into this build that the video was based on.
4) Jennings shooting with the right hand - The EA team obviously is aware of this and the only reason the video was publicized was to show the player movement and dribbling capabilities. I'm sure if they could take it back, they may have showcased a different player or at least changed the shooting hand. Bottom line is, you guys are looking too deep into such an early build, but on the other hand, probably something EA should've thought about prior to release. Obviously due to the early build, player signature shots and such weren't shown, either.
Overall, just look at the video for what it is and SEE the potential. Don't look at the negatives and only concentrate on them. Honestly, the video displayed many improvements over last year's title and I'm sure you guys will be impressed as the title gets closer to launch.
1) EA comparing Elite to Live 10. Seriously? Don't all companies do this? It's not about marketing totally, it's about taking a foundation and building upon it. Regardless of what people may have said about this game, they are not completely re-building this game again. They made some drastic changes to the game, and trust me, they are for the better. The rest of the game contains features that already had a solid foundation and either improving or adding to them.
2) Graphics - You will be able to clearly see the difference in graphics when the time is right. This video was an early build that was used to showcase dribbling and player movement, nothing else. I can honestly say, having seen the game, the graphics have greatly improved overall. You'll have to take my word on this for the time being.
3) Control - I can't stress enough how much control you will have this year. I said in my blog last week, that it will be difficult to play any other game after getting your hands on the controller. Some of you think that's EA hype or them forcing us to preach that to you, but trust me once you play it, you'll understand my reasoning. Now, as previously mentioned in this thread, some of you have pointed out the awkward movements between euro steps and shot attempts, for example. These are all things that were pointed out to the EA dev team while we were there. Nothing has been "fine-tuned" or finalized about any of this. The beauty in all of this was our ability to see the game early and provide feedback/input about things that need to be altered or changed. Let's not forget also that due to this early build, the developers also haven't fully implemented their ideas into this build that the video was based on.
4) Jennings shooting with the right hand - The EA team obviously is aware of this and the only reason the video was publicized was to show the player movement and dribbling capabilities. I'm sure if they could take it back, they may have showcased a different player or at least changed the shooting hand. Bottom line is, you guys are looking too deep into such an early build, but on the other hand, probably something EA should've thought about prior to release. Obviously due to the early build, player signature shots and such weren't shown, either.
Overall, just look at the video for what it is and SEE the potential. Don't look at the negatives and only concentrate on them. Honestly, the video displayed many improvements over last year's title and I'm sure you guys will be impressed as the title gets closer to launch.
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# 116
Shakedowncapo @ 06/10/10 03:37 PM
Absolutely comical to say wait for something final...Time to close the forum until September!
Get a grip guys, nobody would post here if we didn't want the game to be good(notice the small amount that do post here?). Stop being so damn defensive(and smug for a few of you). If the game impresses come demo time, everyone wins.
Talk about tiring.
Get a grip guys, nobody would post here if we didn't want the game to be good(notice the small amount that do post here?). Stop being so damn defensive(and smug for a few of you). If the game impresses come demo time, everyone wins.
Talk about tiring.
# 117
blackflash83 @ 06/10/10 05:30 PM
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With the video you all saw there are no signature animations implemented and everyone has the same attributes. No one has been personalized in the game yet which is why you are seeing guys like Brandon Jennings shooting with his right hand and performing 360 dunks (although when Jennings was in high school the man was a MEAN dunker). I'm sure some of you are wondering, "Then why would you show Brandon Jennings shooting when you can show someone else?" There is a reason for it but unfortunately I can't go into that (legal reasons).
There is a lot of time for the game to shape up and we will be showing you guys more of the game in the months ahead. There is a lot of time left guys and you will see what we have to show you for this year's game that differentiates itself from our past offerings.
# 118
HoosierDaddy @ 06/10/10 05:36 PM
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# 120
blackflash83 @ 06/10/10 05:42 PM
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