04:46 PM - March 26, 2010 by Steve_OS
Check out the screenshot comparison of Philip Rivers in Madden NFL 11 and Madden NFL 10. Huge upgrade? Slight upgrade? What are your thoughts?
Madden NFL 11 News Post
04:46 PM - March 26, 2010 by Steve_OSMadden NFL 11 Videos
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# 41
TheWatcher @ 03/28/10 01:17 PM
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I was watching some video of Madden 02 for PS2 and was surprised to find that the way the camera's behaved in terms of shot selection was a lot closer to broadcast than what we've had all generation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZsOudP2i4
Aside from great stuff like intro's with name banners and sideline reports, or scenes of the coaches reacting intelligently to what's happening on the field... look at 8:24 of the video where Sehorn knocks down a pass from Grbac. Look at the post-play reaction from Sehorn. It's much smoother than anything we get now. The post-play player reactions today are terrible. And look at the camera shot on Sehorn, it's done well. But then they went a step further and they showed Grbac in the huddle trying to collect himself and the camera shot was nice.
... the fact that it all moved so smoothly is what I like most about it. None of this moves smoothly in Madden today, the camera's aren't right, the shot selection is almost never right. It doesn't flow like a broadcast at all.
Shots like these would make detail matter more and I'd have a lot more enthusiasm about the pictures they're releasing. But it's hard to get enthused about something I'm never going to see while playing the game live as a result of the camera's not being right.
The last two years they've been working on broadcast elements, and there was improvement last season. But at some point, they've got to nail this thing with the camera's. Above all the other presentation elements, this one thing with how camera's operate and how scenes chain together is paramount.
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Anyways, the graphics are perfectly fine.
Heck, I would be happy with Madden 10 graphics for the rest of this gen if by keeping them the same, things such as progressive lighting, better field degradation, and interactive sidelines are added.
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SageInfinite @ 03/28/10 01:39 PM
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I went into replay mode and captured what I think some of the post play shots should look like. They would definitely help the wow factor since the graphics are so good up close. Forgive the cellphone quality.
Add in some long post play animations and this game could go alot further convincing people it is a real broadcast.
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But yeah, I agree.
There needs to be more real time cuts during post-play up close like how it was in Madden 2001/2002. It would put procedural awareness/player emotions, and the new depth of field to good use.
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So yeah... don't really see what you are trying to get at.
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PacMan3000 @ 03/28/10 05:36 PM
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Funny how you tinted those pictures orange like the NCAA pictures. lol. I agree NCAA11 looks great. if the NCAA pictures are in a magazine I would think they are real. this rivers screenshot....not so much.
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TheWatcher @ 03/28/10 08:06 PM
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If they could do that and have new post-play player reactions like you pointed out (and I hate to say this again but the reactions/movements are terrible right now), then this very big missing piece would finally come together. They just can't save the post-play animations in the game now. They're just bad, they have to be scrapped, new animations must be made. I mean, after 5 seasons I don't see why we have the same post-play reactions anyway. Advancements should've been happening here every season.
The post-play animations need to be more intelligent and tied to situations, because the last thing I'd want to see is a great camera shot of a player celebrating a 1-yard loss like we sometimes get now
(minus the great shot of course). I'd also like to see celebrating tied to a rating (even a hidden one will do), because seeing players who never go nuts in real life do it in Madden is just another one of those things that affects authenticity in a negative way.
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SageInfinite @ 03/28/10 08:41 PM
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I really hope Tiburon sees these posts.
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But to think the QB would still be sprinting to the LOS if we didn't speak up a year ago, and it's kind of discouraging to think we'll see improvement here.
Equally discouraging is to think about how there was emphasis on presentation last year, and there's still so much left to be desired. I'm hoping M10's presentation was a byproduct of having to address so many other areas and not being able to place major emphasis on the broadcast element. But I hate that I have to press pause to see some of the pertinent stat information.
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videlsports @ 03/28/10 11:30 PM
It looks cool, but I don't play the game that way. I appericiate the effort though. I think NCAA will be better.
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slight upgrade mainly in colors; innoticable without cut scenes.
madden did a terrible job on rookies in madden 10, i ll be interested to see rookies this year.
madden did a terrible job on rookies in madden 10, i ll be interested to see rookies this year.
Not sure what's considered art, but I wish this effort would have gone into sidelines & crowds. The players already looked great.
But I'm with the folks that say leave the graphics alone. I know, I know, different folks work on different aspects of the game. Well, reassign the art folks to gameplay and KIM.
But I'm with the folks that say leave the graphics alone. I know, I know, different folks work on different aspects of the game. Well, reassign the art folks to gameplay and KIM.
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The 11 screenshot obviously looks better. Great strides on the textures in 11 with respect to the jersey. Looks much more like fabric in 11. Skin looks more realistic as well.
Just a guess, but I would say that the polygon count for the player models has been upped as well.
All of this is fine and well, but for me, where Madden's graphics are most lacking is with the player models themselves. This has been a weakness, not just of Madden, but of most EA Sports games, for as long as they have been making them. Doesn't matter if the team changes either, the player models have always been too skinny and had heads that were a little too large. Marionette limbs as well.
When they address that, then we will have something. Until then, no matter how much tweaking they do, the players will just look like photo-realistic caricatures.
Just a guess, but I would say that the polygon count for the player models has been upped as well.
All of this is fine and well, but for me, where Madden's graphics are most lacking is with the player models themselves. This has been a weakness, not just of Madden, but of most EA Sports games, for as long as they have been making them. Doesn't matter if the team changes either, the player models have always been too skinny and had heads that were a little too large. Marionette limbs as well.
When they address that, then we will have something. Until then, no matter how much tweaking they do, the players will just look like photo-realistic caricatures.
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