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Especially the AI.
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SouthernBrick @ 03/25/10 06:04 PM
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Get off me with that BS. If you really think this game is going to play like blitz then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying this game is completely sim or completely arcade but, I know what Its not....I call it like I see it. When people say this game still looks like blitz(I take that they mean plays like blitz) like they've played the damn game themselves(like your preaching to me). It tends to get on my nerves so maybe you should ask them about franchise because, I could care less about franchise mode(I don't even play it on madden).
I would love to see a Blitz/Backbreaker comparison. Please compare vids of how this game looks like it plays like blitz. There might be a comparison between the QB drop back but, I doubt it.
I didn't know this game used endorphin... Thats usually for canned animation typed games. Cause thats what it does, create animations.
This game looks hella fun to play. And in the end, thats all that matters to me. Is the game fun?
This game looks hella fun to play. And in the end, thats all that matters to me. Is the game fun?
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Now that right there was spectacular, shaping up to be a good yr for us football nuts. We actually have a choice this year and it doesn't look like a bad one at that.

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SouthernBrick @ 03/25/10 07:45 PM
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# 48
turftickler @ 03/25/10 08:15 PM
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PantherBeast_OS @ 03/25/10 09:07 PM
Well all I can say is I am impressed enough to buy it.
But I am still getting ncaa football11 and madden 11 no matter what. But the video looks good I have to admit.


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PantherBeast_OS @ 03/25/10 09:41 PM
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so there wont be a traditional camera angle
i luv everything about the game besides that camera angle
they could atleast give us the option to switch back and forth
jus one mandated angle sux
i luv everything about the game besides that camera angle
they could atleast give us the option to switch back and forth
jus one mandated angle sux
The game was designed around the 3rd person camera. It would probably take at the very least a month to get an okay traditional camera. Remember it took like two months to get the broadcast camera into Madden 10 because all the things that change when the angle changes. But thats EA and this is NM...
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SouthernBrick @ 03/26/10 12:56 AM
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So glad this game is coming out in 2 months instead of having to wait until August to play a new football game.
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turftickler @ 03/26/10 01:17 AM
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The gameplay will be rock solid. Basically, we went into the store to buy a Ford Focus and came out with a Mercedes Benz for the same price.

Camera angle, camera angle. How can anyone not be stoked about this camera angle. I admit its radical and jarring but only because we are so used to the Madden view. I like the challenge of actually being in the pocket and trying to see Wrs over my linemans heads. I like the idea of actually feeling like your running through traffic or scraping and filling a hole.
I play Madden everyday and nothing I've ever seen is remotely close to what I've seen in BBs vids. The fact that the alpha builds are superior to Madden/2k is ridiculous. Even if there is glitchy gameplay issues or unrealistic things at times its still going to be 5 times better than Madden because Madden is one big glitch fest. Add the customization and after we all create our NFL teams there won't be any turning back.
I basically break it down like this Madden and even 2k feels like I'm playing a football video game. BB almost makes you feel like your in the game and it actually looks next gen.
I play Madden everyday and nothing I've ever seen is remotely close to what I've seen in BBs vids. The fact that the alpha builds are superior to Madden/2k is ridiculous. Even if there is glitchy gameplay issues or unrealistic things at times its still going to be 5 times better than Madden because Madden is one big glitch fest. Add the customization and after we all create our NFL teams there won't be any turning back.
I basically break it down like this Madden and even 2k feels like I'm playing a football video game. BB almost makes you feel like your in the game and it actually looks next gen.
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strawberryshortcake @ 03/26/10 09:15 AM
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I never quite understood the argument of “the game [backbreaker] was designed around the 3rd person camera,” and therefore we cannot include the traditional camera view. I really don’t buy it. It’s not as if the game of “football” changes when someone watches from the nose bleed section, from a blimp, on the side lines, or from the comfort of their home. “Football” is “football.” A football catch is a football catch. A fumble is a fumble. An interception is an interception. A touchdown is a touchdown. A tackle is a tackle regardless of camera angle.

It’s certainly feasible if NaturalMotion wanted to implement it. However in doing so, backbreaker would simply have been another traditional football video game but with the added touch of Euphoria and NaturalMotion technology, Endorphin, Morpheme. We would simply be playing traditional football all over again—Euphoria on the fly tackle alone does not equal football.
My take on backbreaker camera: I love it.
It brings you closer to the field. It better replicates the action on the field. I completely welcome it. It brings video game football to life. It should keep your heart pounding if done properly with on-the-field sounds.
Plus, as we all know, there will be no booth commentary. This basically means the SOUNDS of the GAME will be crucial. NaturalMotion needs to create something absolutely spectacular. I need to feel like I am in the stadium with 50,000 plus screaming, roaring, both loving and hating fans. (Side Note: Record sounds from a soccer stadium or a real live football stadium if you must)
Backbreaker needs to evoke EMOTIONS.
The added level of difficulty involving the camera will hopefully prevent “arcade scores” at will. Football is also not an easy sport. It is suppose to be challenging. The one thing I would LOVE for team NaturalMotion to include for Pro Mode would be “true user controlled QB throwing distance” to add that extra level of difficulty, which would actually allow the QB to “lead’ his intended receiver.
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Traditional Camera vs. Backbreaker Camera










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OL/DL interaction, WR/DB interaction, QB movements, animation, and player awareness is still better expressed in APF2k8.
APF2k8 blocking and pass rushing has "purpose."
Actually BB was designed around the 3rd person camera. If you watch the Dev Diaries, especially Dev Diary #3, they mention how the game was designed from the ground up around the 3rd person camera.
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kjcheezhead @ 03/26/10 11:10 AM
Great post Strawberry. When you see the 2 cameras side by side, you really see how much more "in the game" it gets you. I love BB's camera and have since day 1. I can see what they mean when they say the blimp cam wouldn't work for them tho. Gamers try to work out angles for "blimp view throws" when they play with a traditional camera. It's harder to recreate a lob pass over a defender on the traditional camera. Rob actually touches on this in the latest dev diary.
I gotta agree with your blocking assessment as well. Backbreaker's blocking is very "madden-like" and that's not a compliment. It looks stiff and robotic and your right, magnifying it probably makes it much more noticeable. It's just no where near the caliber that 2ks game offered. That said, I've played Madden games for years with this caliber blocking or worse (since madden guys spin in circles occasionally) so I can live with it in BB... for it's first try at least.
I gotta agree with your blocking assessment as well. Backbreaker's blocking is very "madden-like" and that's not a compliment. It looks stiff and robotic and your right, magnifying it probably makes it much more noticeable. It's just no where near the caliber that 2ks game offered. That said, I've played Madden games for years with this caliber blocking or worse (since madden guys spin in circles occasionally) so I can live with it in BB... for it's first try at least.
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SouthernBrick @ 03/26/10 05:09 PM
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# 60
CreatineKasey @ 03/26/10 06:14 PM
Nice work, Strawberryshortcake.
I do disagree about the 3rd person camera magnifying AI flaws. I think they will hide them. When you play in "God view" you see each and every player every single play and the corresponding flaw. Third person view should kind of take the attention away from that stuff.
I do disagree about the 3rd person camera magnifying AI flaws. I think they will hide them. When you play in "God view" you see each and every player every single play and the corresponding flaw. Third person view should kind of take the attention away from that stuff.
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