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Team Prestige in NCAA Football 10

04:28 PM - July 13, 2009 by OMT

I've seen this requested. Flame on!

Alabama	6
Florida	6
LSU	6
Michigan	6
Notre Dame	6
Ohio State	6
Oklahoma	6
Texas	6
USC	6
Auburn	5
Boise State	5
Florida State	5
Georgia	5
Miami	5
Nebraska	5
Oregon	5
Penn State	5
Tennessee	5
Utah	5
Virginia Tech	5
West Virginia	5
Arizona State	4
Boston College	4
BYU	4
Cal	4
Cincinnati	4
Colorado	4
Georgia Tech	4
Kansas	4
Louisville	4
Missouri	4
North Carolina	4
Oklahoma State	4
Oregon State	4
Pittsburgh	4
Rutgers	4
Texas A&M	4
Texas Tech	4
UCLA	4
Wake Forest	4
Wisconsin	4
Arizona	3
Arkansas	3
UCF	3
Clemson	3
Colorado State	3
ECU	3
Fresno State	3
Hawai'i	3
Illinois	3
Indiana	3
Iowa	3
Iowa State	3
Kansas State	3
Kentucky	3
Marshall	3
Maryland	3
Michigan State	3
Minnesota	3
Mississippi State	3
NC State	3
Northwestern	3
Ole Miss	3
Purdue	3
South Carolina	3
Southern Miss	3
Stanford	3
Syracuse	3
TCU	3
Toledo	3
Tulsa	3
Connecticut	3
Virginia	3
Washington	3
Washington State	3
USF	3
Air Force	2
Akron	2
Ball State	2
Baylor	2
Bowling Green	2
Buffalo	2
Central Michigan	2
Duke	2
Houston	2
Louisiana Tech	2
Memphis	2
Miami University	2
Navy	2
Nevada	2
New Mexico	2
Northern Illinois	2
Ohio	2
Rice	2
UNLV	2
UTEP	2
Vanderbilt	2
Wyoming	2
Troy	2
Florida Atlantic	2
Arkansas State	1
Army	1
Eastern Michigan	1
Idaho	1
Kent State	1
Mid Tenn State	1
New Mexico State	1
North Texas	1
UL Monroe	1
San Diego State	1
San Jose State	1
SMU	1
UL Lafayette	1
Temple	1
Tulane	1
UAB	1
Utah State	1
Western Michigan	1
Western Kentucky	1
FIU	1

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# 21 pistonchamps04 @ 07/13/09 04:55 PM

i'll say this...

some ratings people at EA have it in for MSU. that's for sure. don't know why.

# 22 sportzbro @ 07/13/09 04:56 PM

@ilukeisamazing

Its a culmination of their past & present accomplishments & failures.. They have a meeting to decide the prestige ratings.. I dont think there is a formula or anything for establishing the initial ratings.

# 23 jsquigg @ 07/13/09 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BBkobe87


	Iowa and MSU should be 4 stars. Not seeing Maryland at 4 star though trapstar, sorry. 3 seems good for them

Really not trying to stir it up, but based on the big picture, I think a 3 is about right for MSU. UM had a horrible season last year, so don't think you can get out of a thought through response with using that as an insult, but I think it says a lot about MSU's season when they lose 4 games including a bowl, and think it's a good season. I know you finally beat Michigan, but other than that, it was kind of a mediocre year. Outside of the fact that all MSU fans will probably flame me now, I'd like to know how they think this year and the future will go for their program. As it is now, I think a 3 is about right.

# 24 sportzbro @ 07/13/09 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Krioniq


	As such, I do think that the next logical step for Dynasty mode is a deeper prestige rating system that factors in the coach's ability to recruit, develop talent at particular position groups, get the most out of that talent on gameday. In addition, coach progression and regression in these attributes, and these coaches' various coordinators developing and going from school to school, and older coaches retiring, etc. should also be included. The current prestige ranking should remain and have some effect, but the differences between good and bad coaches, as well as coaches on the same tier with different strengths and weaknesses, needs to have an impact in the game as well. End ramble. Flame away.

I think my idea for AD mode, combined with some type of point system to gain additional pretige stars would be the solution. It could work like the prestige rankings in COD or KillZone 2 kind of.

# 25 deucepoppi17 @ 07/13/09 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Krioniq


	Open ramble, be warned. ; in particular over the last three years we've had (by my count) four first-round draft picks (Ferguson, Long, Albert, Monroe) and we have had many other players have been drafted. End ramble. Flame away.

HA! U just named all OL....maybe if UVA put out playmakers as first round talent then i could understand, but come on now.....

# 26 utahman19 @ 07/13/09 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BORN4CORN


	If they really wanted to stir up some controversy, they would have put Utah at 6...which might have been OK imo.*

Dude.... not even I will say Utah is a 6-star program. Of course, a down year for Utah has been 8-5, a down year for Penn State is 3-9.

I will also say I don't think Bama is a 6-star program... yet. See what Saban does in the next two years and then we can talk. Prestige is more than just history and tradition, it's also what have you done lately. I feel good saying Utah and Boise (and TCU, too) have been just as good if not better in the last decade than Penn State and several other BCS schools.

Combining the history and the here-and-now into the prestige rating is why I am fine with Utah and Boise being on equal prestige footing as Penn State, Nebraska, Tennessee, and others.

# 27 sportzbro @ 07/13/09 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsquigg


	Really not trying to stir it up, but based on the big picture, I think a 3 is about right for MSU. UM had a horrible season last year, so don't think you can get out of a thought through response with using that as an insult, but I think it says a lot about MSU's season when they lose 4 games including a bowl, and think it's a good season. I know you finally beat Michigan, but other than that, it was kind of a mediocre year. Outside of the fact that all MSU fans will probably flame me now, I'd like to know how they think this year and the future will go for their program. As it is now, I think a 3 is about right.

What is your opinion on Iowa?

# 28 utahman19 @ 07/13/09 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shmoeco


	There is no way MSU should be a 3, they should be a 4 for sure. i think boise state and utah are both to high. they wouldnt have such good records if they played in a real conference.

Says the Chippewa fan.

Tell that to Nick Saban. He had similar thoughts.

# 29 pistonchamps04 @ 07/13/09 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsquigg


	Really not trying to stir it up, but based on the big picture, I think a 3 is about right for MSU. UM had a horrible season last year, so don't think you can get out of a thought through response with using that as an insult, but I think it says a lot about MSU's season when they lose 4 games including a bowl, and think it's a good season. I know you finally beat Michigan, but other than that, it was kind of a mediocre year. Outside of the fact that all MSU fans will probably flame me now, I'd like to know how they think this year and the future will go for their program. As it is now, I think a 3 is about right.

10 wins this year
even better in the upcoming years now that we've actually recruited some talent and we are taking over the state in recruiting
and we'll beat scUM every year that DickRod is there

# 30 shmoeco @ 07/13/09 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsquigg


	Really not trying to stir it up, but based on the big picture, I think a 3 is about right for MSU. UM had a horrible season last year, so don't think you can get out of a thought through response with using that as an insult, but I think it says a lot about MSU's season when they lose 4 games including a bowl, and think it's a good season. I know you finally beat Michigan, but other than that, it was kind of a mediocre year. Outside of the fact that all MSU fans will probably flame me now, I'd like to know how they think this year and the future will go for their program. As it is now, I think a 3 is about right.

Everyone beat Michigan last year

# 31 Hooe @ 07/13/09 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deucepoppi17


	HA! U just named all OL....maybe if UVA put out playmakers as first round talent then i could understand, but come on now.....

Last time I checked, offensive linemen are football players too.

The Cavaliers notwithstanding, my point is that the Prestige system is far too simplified and this portion of Dynasty mode ought to be fleshed out a bit to further differentiate the various programs, coaches, etc.

# 32 ChicagoSparty @ 07/13/09 05:04 PM

Here's what I don't understand. If ND and UM are 6* (which I agree with), how come if they have a bad season or two in the game, their prestige rating drops?

Re: MSU, I could see 3 or 4*. Personally, would have us at a 4 based on national recognition. But historically (since the 5-s and 60s glory years), we have been as average as it gets.

# 33 BBkobe87 @ 07/13/09 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsquigg


	Really not trying to stir it up, but based on the big picture, I think a 3 is about right for MSU. UM had a horrible season last year, so don't think you can get out of a thought through response with using that as an insult, but I think it says a lot about MSU's season when they lose 4 games including a bowl, and think it's a good season. I know you finally beat Michigan, but other than that, it was kind of a mediocre year. Outside of the fact that all MSU fans will probably flame me now, I'd like to know how they think this year and the future will go for their program. As it is now, I think a 3 is about right.

Well let me first say do you honestly believe that Michigan should be a 6 star program at this point. I'm alright with it, i suppose, but current success obviously has little to do with these prestige ratings. I believe a 5 star for Michigan would be good for this year. I would like to know what a Michigan fan thinks about that.

As far as MSU I am dissapointed in the 3 star but I can see it being justified as a 3 or 4. Our recruiting classes are getting better every year, had a top 20 class this year by most publications ratings. And have gotten 3 ESPN150's so far this recruiting year. We have consistently been winning more and more games every year under Dantonio, so its just tough to see us progressing as a program in real life and then it not showing in this game at all

# 34 greenhead @ 07/13/09 05:05 PM

Alabama a 6 star? What a joke. They had one good season. They have a losing record 5 of their last 6 years, thanks to the fact they keep cheating and keep getting caught.

# 35 sportzbro @ 07/13/09 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utahman19


	Dude.... not even I will say Utah is a 6-star program. Of course, a down year for Utah has been 8-5, a down year for Penn State is 3-9. I will also say I don't think Bama is a 6-star program... yet. See what Saban does in the next two years and then we can talk. Prestige is more than just history and tradition, it's also what have you done lately. I feel good saying Utah and Boise (and TCU, too) have been just as good if not better in the last decade than Penn State and several other BCS schools. Combining the history and the here-and-now into the prestige rating is why I am fine with Utah and Boise being on equal prestige footing as Penn State, Nebraska, Tennessee, and others.

Whats tough to determine is a reference point or a base for these.. Is it weighted in favor of tradition, or more like you said with recent history? I think the teams with more tradition should have it easier to go up in prestige than down.

Teams like Utah should have it the other way.. Being harder to move up, but with one bad season they move down a star or 2 just because they lack that "historical cushion".

# 36 deucepoppi17 @ 07/13/09 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krioniq


	Last time I checked, offensive linemen are football players too. The Cavaliers notwithstanding, my point is that the Prestige system is far too simplified and this portion of Dynasty mode ought to be fleshed out a bit to further differentiate the various programs, coaches, etc.

I wish we could edit all teams prestige before starting a dynasty.

# 37 jsquigg @ 07/13/09 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pistonchamps04


	i'll say this... some ratings people at EA have it in for MSU. that's for sure. don't know why.

How many bowls has MSU won in the past decade? How many conference championships, or for that matter, runner up in the conference? One nine win season and MSU fans think they're the greatest thing since electricity.

# 38 greenhead @ 07/13/09 05:08 PM

Let me add that I have never liked the way "prestige" plays out in this game.

I can take a one start FIU, and, as long as I win 9 games a year, I can have it as a 6 star team in 5-6 years.

I don't care if FIU went undefeated for 5-6 years. No one would consider them a program on the level of most of these 6 stars.

# 39 jsquigg @ 07/13/09 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BORN4CORN


	What is your opinion on Iowa?

My opinion of Iowa is that I wish UM never had to play in Iowa again.... I think they're middle of the road in terms of prestige, but they always seem to overachieve with regard to their talent level.

# 40 wisecav @ 07/13/09 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by utahman19


	Dude.... not even I will say Utah is a 6-star program. Of course, a down year for Utah has been 8-5, a down year for Penn State is 3-9.

I think it's safe to say that every school has down years. Do you think the USC and the Florida's of the college football world have been good since the beginning? No.

Quote:


	I will also say I don't think Bama is a 6-star program... yet. See what Saban does in the next two years and then we can talk. Prestige is more than just history and tradition, it's also what have you done lately. I feel good saying Utah and Boise (and TCU, too) have been just as good if not better in the last decade than Penn State and several other BCS schools.

Yes prestige is what you have done lately. But I consider prestige to be more of a history thing. If not, then why is Notre Dame 6*?

Quote:


	Combining the history and the here-and-now into the prestige rating is why I am fine with Utah and Boise being on equal prestige footing as Penn State, Nebraska, Tennessee, and others.

Of course you're fine with it. You're a Utah fan. I have no problem with BSU and Utah being 5*. But if that's the case then I think Penn State should be 6*

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