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Madden NFL 10 Franchise Mode Improvements: Part 2 Q&A

04:57 PM - June 16, 2009 by turfguy23

EA just posted part 2 of their Madden NFL 10 Franchise Mode improvements Q&A.

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	"I�m Josh Looman, senior designer for Madden NFL 10 and the guy who had the privilege of tuning franchise mode this year. I thought I�d sit down and answer a lot of the questions I�ve received about franchise mode and the changes we made this cycle. As I�ve mentioned before (in this blog), my goal was to clean up the logic and get this mode back to where it needed to be. I�ll repeat my favorite analogy for those of you who haven�t heard it before: If you found out you had termites in your house, would you build on another addition or clean up the foundation so that you could build on the house in the future? That was exactly our attitude and my sole focus since I joined the Madden team halfway through the development cycle. I enlisted the help of one of my top programmers from NFL Head Coach �09 (Jeff Keyek) and worked with the rest of the Madden team to address many of the core aspects of the mode that really needed fixing."

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# 61 StoryBook @ 06/16/09 05:58 PM

If you can't see Peyton Manning being a coach one day than I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

# 62 Phobia @ 06/16/09 05:59 PM

WOW the extra point stuff looks AMAZING!!!!!!

This is the kind of thing that made 2ks presentation so special.

I am officially about to remove my avatar for a new one...................................Nawwwwwwwwww ww

# 63 Deegeezy @ 06/16/09 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by StoryBook


	If you can't see Peyton Manning being a coach one day than I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

No chance he becomes a coach. Why would a man that has made over $200-300 million go into coaching?

Superstars of today have no need to do anything after playing.

# 64 TheDMG @ 06/16/09 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fourthreemafia


	Can someone please tell me how many former players become coaches? I can understand as positional coaches, but Ive always hated that you seen top players become head coaches in the game, when that never really happens.

Obviously pure speculation, but HC '09 had 39 players who could potentially become coaches in a 15-year career mode and none seemed like much of a stretch to me. Among those were non-superstars who would make quite a bit of sense including Charlie Batch, Bobby Engram, and Hollis Thomas. There was a good balance of guys: smart vets like the above group, pro bowlers who I could see as coaches like Jeremiah Trotter or Jeff Saturday, and a few HOF-caliber guys like Ray Lewis and Michael Strahan. While most coaches are guys who never played in the NFL, there is still a balance of players who had a wide variety of career experiences that have made their mark in the league as position coaches or higher: in recent decades, we've seen guys ranging from backups like Jason Garrett, Gary Kubiak and Tony Dungy to HOF-caliber guys like Fred Biletnikoff, James Lofton and Mike Singletary. If Madden can come closer to HC, than I think it'll be reasonable on this front.

# 65 thudias @ 06/16/09 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deegeezy


	No chance he becomes a coach. Why would a man that has made over $200-300 million go into coaching? Superstars of today have no need to do anything after playing.

Cause its about the love of the game?

# 66 xanmank @ 06/16/09 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fourthreemafia


	That logic is incredibly flawed. We have been asking for more info on franchise for awhile now. The only thing this blog really did was go into more detail about what they said they were going to fix in the first blog. NOTHING new came out of this blog really. Some decent info, but nothing new. Its not about them not telling us enough. In fact, I think they told us just about everything, and while chise should be improved. I think its pretty obvious its not as in depth as many hoped it would be.

Exactly why I'm disappointed. Clearly anything that wasn't talked about got little to no attention, and he didn't want to have any "No" answers. Which makes no sense, because in the Online blog there WERE some answers that basically said "no"

# 67 StoryBook @ 06/16/09 06:03 PM

Maybe because he loves the game and is very much a student of it. He might even coach a college team, say if that whole Kiffin thing doesn't work out at UT.

Why would a coach who has already made millions and won championships want to come back?

# 68 SoxFan01605 @ 06/16/09 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sois


	Don't kid yourself. If it wasn't for us, there wouldn't be a need for a blog. Who else is dissecting the post moments after it is made? I get what you're saying, but I feel that if they're going to put up a mini-hype for it (holding out the information specifically for a blog post), then it better deliver more than 14 questions, especially considering the amount of legitimate questions that were asked.

I think "mini-hype" is overstating it a tad.

They simply asked for questions to help shape it, is all. I think that was the point being made. It's the "they better..." type attitude. They aren't obligated to do any of it. Yes, the dissecting and details are mostly for people like us, but the thought that they are required to cater to EVERY one of our demands is a bit much, IMO. I'm not saying that's what you're asking for, but some people get a bit carried away with their assertion that these guys are put on earth for our whimsy...lol.

Besides, I hate to say it, but maybe the reason there was so little info/answers is because there is so little to say.

. I've been saying for a while now that I wasn't getting my hopes up for franchise as the marquee type feature we were all wanting in 2010. He addressed the logic and interface, which appears to be the only thing that got any real attention. And of the 100+ questions that were asked, how many were just variants of the same idea?

What it boiled down to is we wanted to know about logic and features. They addressed logic (largely) and basically stated there are no new significant features. I may be wrong, but I'm looking at it like if it wasn't answered, it probably wasn't addressed for the most part.

Sad, but probably true. Might disappoint some still holding out hope for revolutionary change, but that's just what I think. Hopefully the logic is as sound as we want it to be.

# 69 Deegeezy @ 06/16/09 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thudias


	Cause its about the love of the game?

That's why they go into broadcasting, not coaching.

Payton Manning isn't spending his retirement years working on game plans until 2 in the morning as a coach.

# 70 Broncos86 @ 06/16/09 06:08 PM

There's a reason stars don't coach and "scrubs" do. It's no different than a musical teacher. A virtuoso is a wonderful performer, terrible teacher. Why? Because they never had to learn, really. It came naturally. A journeyman CB had to study, practice, and learn from years of experience in many different systems. They've seen it all, and they've done it all. Stars have a god-given talent that you just can't teach. Look at Deion Sanders, and the story I once heard of him sitting in a Dallas room telling the coach "you worry about that cover 2 stuff. See that guy? Where he goes, I go."

That said, Peyton Manning is one heck of a student of football.

# 71 TheWatcher @ 06/16/09 06:09 PM

Bart Starr became a Head Coach (Packers)... he was a great player (HOF'er)...

Norm Van Brocklin, Head Coach (Eagles)... great player (HOF'er).

There are probably a lot more stories at the Collegiate level of great College players becoming College Head Coaches though.

# 72 thudias @ 06/16/09 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxFan01605


	I think "mini-hype" is overstating it a tad. They simply asked for questions to help shape it, is all. I think that was the point being made. It's the "they better..." type attitude. They aren't obligated to do any of it. Yes, the dissecting and details are mostly for people like us, but the thought that they are required to cater to EVERY one of our demands is a bit much, IMO. I'm not saying that's what you're asking for, but some people get a bit carried away with their assertion that these guys are put on earth for our whimsy...lol. Besides, I hate to say it, but maybe the reason there was so little info/answers is because there is so little to say.. I've been saying for a while now that I wasn't getting my hopes up for franchise as the marquee type feature we were all wanting in 2010. He addressed the logic and interface, which appears to be the only thing that got any real attention. And of the 100+ questions that were asked, how many were just variants of the same idea? What it boiled down to is we wanted to know about logic and features. They addressed logic (largely) and basically stated there are no new significant features. I may be wrong, but I'm looking at it like if it wasn't answered, it probably wasn't addressed for the most part. Sad, but probably true. Might disappoint some still holding out hope for revolutionary change, but that's just what I think. Hopefully the logic is as sound as we want it to be.

This make alot of sense...Good post!

# 73 ewto16 @ 06/16/09 06:12 PM

There was really not much in here that was new and I didn't already know. Anything that was the real meat and potatoes of franchise mode was not answered.

I'm going to assume that franchise is basically the same with some time spent on finding the bugs in the logic that should have just been corrected anyway.

I'll assume you can't move LBs to DEs.
I'll assume that importing a draft class still means that all the info will be revealed so there is no need to actually scout.
I'll assume that you still can't trade future picks.
I'll assume Free Agency is still just a matter of signing all the guys you want at the beginning of the season before the CPU does.
I'll assume that IR is still broken.
I'll assume the CPU still doesn't trade or make trade offers.
I'll assume that none of the front office type stuff actually matters still.

Disappointing...made up draft classes and some bug fixes don't make the franchise mode seem like a multiple season option for me.

# 74 Broncos86 @ 06/16/09 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ewto16


	There was really not much in here that was new and I didn't already know. Anything that was the real meat and potatoes of franchise mode was not answered. I'm going to assume that franchise is basically the same with some time spent on finding the bugs in the logic that should have just been corrected anyway. I'll assume you can't move LBs to DEs. I'll assume that importing a draft class still means that all the info will be revealed so there is no need to actually scout. I'll assume that you still can't trade future picks. I'll assume Free Agency is still just a matter of signing all the guys you want at the beginning of the season before the CPU does. I'll assume that IR is still broken. I'll assume the CPU still doesn't trade or make trade offers. I'll assume that none of the front office type stuff actually matters still. Disappointing...made up draft classes and some bug fixes don't make the franchise mode seem like a multiple season option for me.

Aww, there there, bucko! Cheer up!

# 75 Static Puppet @ 06/16/09 06:14 PM

Why is everyone just assuming that great elite players and only great players will be the ones becoming coaches in Madden? Where exactly is this coming from?

And I seem to be one of the few that actually liked this blog. Went into further detail about the logic which is the foundation as was said. As far as I know, the problems that have made Franchise unplayable for more than a few years for some like myself are now fixed. So... I'm happy.

# 76 MattIntellect @ 06/16/09 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fourthreemafia


	Look, here is the bottom line... I dont REALLY care about the players-coaches thing. I brought it up because I dont want to see Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Ty Law as coaches in 2020. Not a game killer, but unrealstic and annoying. Randomly generated coaches would be much better IMO. THat has nothing to do with why I wont buy the game. It just isnt where I think it should be, and if Im going to sink my time and money into a game, it better be up to standards. What I was looking for this year are some fixes in gameplay, presentation and franchise. Presentation, check. Gameplay and franchise, while they are both obviously better, still dont impress me all that much. And yes, you can tell quite a bit from just watching it. I give EA a TON of credit. Unlike past years when Ive been furious at their lack of effort, I think they did the best they could, but sadly, it just doesnt meet expectations just yet. If it meets other peoples, so be it and I respect that. I believe the game will be fun and a step in the right direction. But worth $60 and an investment of time...not from what Ive seen, at least not this year.

Great.......now can everyone please not try to persuade him to buy the game? Let him go, so we can keep a good discussion about franchise mode instead of arguing with people who aren't purchasing the game anyways.

# 77 xanmank @ 06/16/09 06:17 PM

I would have been happier if they were just honest and said "No, this is not in the game" or "This is left unchanged from last year."

Because we are still in the dark about 75% of our concerns.

# 78 MattIntellect @ 06/16/09 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fourthreemafia


	Yes, and people who arent thrilled with the game have no say whatsoever, right? Silly little fanboy.

Insults mean nothing to me. People who aren't thrilled with the game does have a say on how they feel about it, but right now, many will try to argue back and forth with you on why they feel that Madden 10 is going to be great this year, thus starting an unnecessary argument.

# 79 Broncos86 @ 06/16/09 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xanmank


	I would have been happier if they were just honest and said "No, this is not in the game" or "This is left unchanged from last year." Because we are still in the dark about 75% of our concerns.

This statement is bizarre to me. This year is the first that we saw such a huge interaction with the community. In years past, I NEVER had this much info about Madden, nor this much dialogue straight from the devs. So I find it funny that, all of a sudden, the community expects every single nuance and tidbit about the game to be spelled out. I like finding out, too, because I'm pumped for the game. But at what point are we taking for granted what we're given?

# 80 18manning18 @ 06/16/09 06:22 PM

It's not that you have no say, but it'd be like me not watching lost, and then going to a lost forum to talk about the show. If you're not buying the game, i just don't get why you're here, just my opinion, not trying to bash.

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