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Here is another video from Major League Baseball 2K9. This one shows off the bottom of the 9th heroics from the Mariners.

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# 41 tmac55 @ 02/21/09 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight165
Bro..
No way...no how...
The CF'er was 30 feet from the cut-off man.
If that was the only thing he could do..GET OUT OF BASEBALL.
Sorry...but that ball has to be thrown home.
Watch the video again.

M.K.
Knight165
I think you should reconsider your opinion. I mean we all see the game differently but I coach High School Baseball and in no circumstances would I ever call my CF out for not attempting to get the guy out when he clearly had no chance. I have seen major leaguers hold on to it or even throw it in to the infield. Each CF reads the game differently and I have to be honest with ya, he had no chance and it's not even worth the throw, especially with Ichiro on the bases.
 
# 42 BigL @ 02/21/09 10:39 AM
The walk off celebration stunk but I didnt see anything terribly off with that video. The AI is stealing 2nd which is a big positive.

Anybody notice that the blowing dirt is a little overexaggerated in the game? lol
 
# 43 Blzer @ 02/21/09 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight165
Bro..
No way...no how...
The CF'er was 30 feet from the cut-off man.
If that was the only thing he could do..GET OUT OF BASEBALL.
Sorry...but that ball has to be thrown home.
Watch the video again.

M.K.
Knight165
Man, there was no chance. Granted, many players would still do it just out of doing it (still knowing that, unless the runners falls flat on his face or misses home plate, that he won't be caught), but that's why sometimes you just see a player not even go for that deep fly ball with the game winning run on third and less than two outs. They're just like... "Well, even if I catch it there's not a snowball's chance in doing anything with it." I bet the pitcher gets pissed because he could have lowered his ERA about 0.01, but there's no real gratitude in risking potential injury trying.

And yes, any play that you're involved in is putting yourself at risk for injury. You wonder why the catcher doesn't just throw the ball down on ball four while someone is stealing? They're also risking putting the ball (a live ball, mind you) in the outfield, but that's besides the point.

Ultimately I know what you're getting at though, and I attribute it to the game's programming. I bet it didn't program the fact that it's a "do-or-die" situation, and they cut off the ball to prevent the runner from going to second base. Little did the CPU know that the run crossing the plate ended the game.

At any rate, we can blame the CPU cutting it off, not the CPU throwing to the cutoff. He was throwing home, and they allowed it to be cut off. If you've played a 2K baseball game before, you know that you cut-off throws on the fly, where you first press the base you're throwing it to and press the L-trigger to cut it off, unlike The Show which has a designated button for throwing it to your cutoff. So essentially, he
was throwing it home, but again, I think it was just a game design flaw for not recognizing the situation.

EDIT: Forgive the statements made in the last paragraph in italics. My memory on the play was fuzzy and I thought I distinctively remembered the player throwing it into the middle of the infield with it being cut off. Perhaps that was another video. Anyway, I'm keeping it up there because I just wanted to point to the fact that in past games you would throw to a base and then assign the cut-off man to take action should you wish. Either way, re-watching the video still shows that no sane player (even if not putting themselves at risk for injury) would have made that throw home. It simply wasn't close enough.
 
# 44 Knight165 @ 02/21/09 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tmac55
I think you should reconsider your opinion. I mean we all see the game differently but I coach High School Baseball and in no circumstances would I ever call my CF out for not attempting to get the guy out when he clearly had no chance. I have seen major leaguers hold on to it or even throw it in to the infield. Each CF reads the game differently and I have to be honest with ya, he had no chance and it's not even worth the throw, especially with Ichiro on the bases.

Am I watching a different video....is Ichiro not coming home to score the winning walk off run in that case?

tmac...
If you're coaching your kids to hold onto the ball or throw to the cut-off man on THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME...
I hope you have some good assistant coaches.
What the heck would you hold onto it for?...to bring it home to show mom?..."mom...look here is the ball the opposing team hit for the game winning single! I had them autograph it for me!"

Of course I'm half kidding here....but if the A.I. was "saying to itself" I have no chance at Ichiro....it looks bad that he threw to the cut off man.
You gotta make the attempt to throw home(who knows...Ichiro can trip...fall flat on his face halfway home).....or just not throw and walk in head hanging.It just looks weird to see that throw w/2 outs bottom of the ninth.

...and the reasons you guys gave don't wash...no biggie

M.K.
Knight165
 
# 45 Blzer @ 02/21/09 11:02 AM
By the way, I really hope that it's only coincidence both games were 1 - 1 in these two Oakland vs Seattle games, because the "progressive lighting" shows that of a late afternoon time in the 8th inning, then a dusk time in the 9th inning.

What I find even more strange is Steve said he didn't notice any progressive lighting in this beta. What was he looking for if this isn't it? The SF/AZ game showed the same progressive lighting (and unfortunately, really dark really quickly).

Of course, it is only proper to reserve judgment until I get my hands on the retail game. Yet it still is a valid concern, much like anything else.
 
# 46 nemesis04 @ 02/21/09 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Blzer
By the way, I really hope that it's only coincidence both games were 1 - 1 in these two Oakland vs Seattle games, because the "progressive lighting" shows that of a late afternoon time in the 8th inning, then a dusk time in the 9th inning.

What I find even more strange is Steve said he didn't notice any progressive lighting in this beta. What was he looking for if this isn't it? The SF/AZ game showed the same progressive lighting (and unfortunately, really dark really quickly).

Of course, it is only proper to reserve judgment until I get my hands on the retail game. Yet it still is a valid concern, much like anything else.
To me the game has more pressing concerns than worrying if the sun sets properly.
 
# 47 bigfnjoe96 @ 02/21/09 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nemesis04
To me the game has more pressing concerns than worrying if the sun sets properly.
Totally agree. Right now the AI Logic seems OFF & it's really showing in these CPU/CPU Videos.. Yes it's a BETA, but some of the stuff I've seen is head-scratching...
 
# 48 Blzer @ 02/21/09 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nemesis04
To me the game has more pressing concerns than worrying if the sun sets properly.
As we all do, but they've been repeated over and over; I thought one less repetition of the same thing would do everyone some good.

But it's not really about it setting properly, it's about a game going from 5:00 to 8:00 in a matter of an inning. This isn't a concern like it was in the demo for The Show, that was completely insignificant compared to this (and I know that will be fine for retail, so there's no issue there). I just also found it strange that progressive lighting should be more noticeable than ever when it's like this, and not one beta-tester was able to point it out.
 
# 49 tmac55 @ 02/21/09 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight165
Am I watching a different video....is Ichiro not coming home to score the winning walk off run in that case?

tmac...
If you're coaching your kids to hold onto the ball or throw to the cut-off man on THE LAST PLAY OF THE GAME...
I hope you have some good assistant coaches.
What the heck would you hold onto it for?...to bring it home to show mom?..."mom...look here is the ball the opposing team hit for the game winning single! I had them autograph it for me!"

Of course I'm half kidding here....but if the A.I. was "saying to itself" I have no chance at Ichiro....it looks bad that he threw to the cut off man.
You gotta make the attempt to throw home(who knows...Ichiro can trip...fall flat on his face halfway home).....or just not throw and walk in head hanging.It just looks weird to see that throw w/2 outs bottom of the ninth.

...and the reasons you guys gave don't wash...no biggie

M.K.
Knight165
I think you need to relax buddy.. it's video game, not real life. If you think you know everything about baseball, then why aren't you designing this game yourself or on the 2K team?

Give me a break, yeah I am sure I must not know the game considering I am 26 and have guided my school to a city finals and tournament victories.

There are much bigger things you can rip on your kids for in the game of baseball. Not even close at the plate, even if he does throw it? Am I supposed to pin the loss on the A's CF? Wow, relax and learn some fundamentals of the game.. Or, better yet, why don't you apply at 2K on the design team Mr. Know it all.

People like you ruin these boards with your put downs and negativity.. I said reconsider your opinion. I did not disregard it. There is no plate at the plate dude. Ichiro is way too fast and already rounding 3rd by the time he even picks the ball up. RELAX
 
# 50 nemesis04 @ 02/21/09 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bigfnjoe96
Totally agree. Right now the AI Logic seems OFF & it's really showing in these CPU/CPU Videos.. Yes it's a BETA, but some of the stuff I've seen is head-scratching...
Do sliders have an affect with CPU/CPU games or is it all AI programing?
 
# 51 tmac55 @ 02/21/09 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JonahFalcon
Anyone notice that the crowd was already standing in anticipation before the GW hit?
Exactly!! People love to nitpick but they overlook one of the best parts of the video. The crowd was chanting the whole inning, standing as well. When you are at a game in real life, and the home team can wrap it up, the fans always stand up, chant etc. That is the beauty of real life presentation.
 
# 52 Blzer @ 02/21/09 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jim416
How do you know a beta tester didn't point it out?
When we asked Steve and the guy that had the beta at Gamespot if they noticed progressive lighting, both said, "No."

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If you would read some of the stuff out of the SCEA community event (again) you will see that light progression is NOT easy to program along with some other aspects that are missing from the games. The progressive lighting has some impact on every other aspect of the look of the game.
Of course, I understand all of this very much. I'm not harking on any one look of the game's lighting (though I was in earlier screens), I'm just saying that a three hour lighting jump in one inning isn't exactly "progressive" as much as it is pretty much the opposite. Nevermind the fact that progressive lighting has been in this series since 2K5 (in night games since 2K6, and done in a delightful manner since 2K7), so I just figured that this wouldn't be as "jumpy" as it is.

And remember, I'm giving the game more grief than it should get. I haven't played the retail version, so I can't judge one way or the other until then. I mostly made the post because I was surprised that no one playing the game has noticed it yet, and in fact saying the exact opposite that there isn't any.
 
# 53 bigfnjoe96 @ 02/21/09 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nemesis04
Do sliders have an affect with CPU/CPU games or is it all AI programing?
Yes personal slider settings have an impact on CPU/CPU games. Once the sliders are loaded, it's a wrap. Yes the AI will play the game, but the sliders affect everything going on in the game
 
# 54 SwinginAs12 @ 02/21/09 11:44 AM
Does anyone know if spring training is playable this year?
 
# 55 Blzer @ 02/21/09 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jim416
Thought you were referring to the game testers (who are beta testers).
My bad, I should have been more specific. I suppose Steve isn't a beta-tester per se, more of a beta-gamer.

And again, it's the main reason I made the post. I was just surprised that something that noticeable was not only not noticed, but that they actually saw the opposite (static lighting).

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Because it was in 07 doesn't mean it transfers to 09. Change a code and just about everything else may need to be junked. That's how it works and I thought you understood things like that because you keep pointing it out.

My workaround for a roster problem with The Show last year doesn't work in this years game, and on the surface you would not think it would be a problem, but because the code was changed in one thing (probably the addition of the 40 man roster), it had an effect on the workaround. Again, I thought you had more understanding of coding/programming than the average gamer.
I definitely don't have more experience, but we've all talked to developers and yes, I know what you're talking about. What I simply meant is I wouldn't see a reason for them to ever downgrade in such a fashion. I mean if you thought that my argument for the jumps that I saw in the demo for The Show were at least tolerable (though I do understand that's not how it's going to be in the game), then you would know where I'm coming from here. This is, literally, a night-and-day difference.

And of course, it could simply be nitpicking in general because I'm thankful for the things in the game that were incorporated, especially real-time. As nemesis said, there are bigger concerns in this game, though that doesn't mean the littler concerns can't be brought up/addressed too. Remember, it's the little things that immerse us in the game!
 
# 56 SwinginAs12 @ 02/21/09 11:53 AM
Does any notice that EVERY A's player has the same batting stance? In the top 3 plays, and in Felix's strikouts shown at the end.
 
# 57 Blzer @ 02/21/09 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SwinginAs12
Does anyone know if spring training is playable this year?
No playable Spring Training.

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Originally Posted by SwinginAs12
Does any notice that EVERY A's player has the same batting stance? In the top 3 plays, and in Felix's strikouts shown at the end.
Of gripes for baseball games in general, I wish that sometimes they would incorporate more generic stances than just focusing on unique stances. Because what happens when mid-bend, squared-stance players don't have their sig styles? They all bat the exact same. Then you get rookies in later years and they all bat the same.

I may be in the minority, but I would have much rather preferred seeing 50 generic stances added than 300 unique stances (300 generics wouldn't have been bad either). Besides, generic doesn't need to mean "normal looking" or what have you, it could just mean that it's non-specific... it wasn't targeted to look exactly like a player, even though it may represent a player quite closely. It doesn't need to have a slow moving bat, for example.
 
# 58 SwinginAs12 @ 02/21/09 12:00 PM
Yeah has anyone checked out that new video of blue jays and orioles.....wayyyyyyyyyy too short.
 
# 59 SwinginAs12 @ 02/21/09 12:03 PM
That quality of the new video is beautiful, i would like to see that in more videos.

Yet the audio is off... Or is that my comp?
 
# 60 SPTO @ 02/21/09 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SwinginAs12
Yeah has anyone checked out that new video of blue jays and orioles.....wayyyyyyyyyy too short.
Like with everything the Jays get the short shrift. Nice to see one of the camera angles is the straight behind the pitcher angle. That's what the Jays broadcasters use for home games.
 


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