Madden 09 News Post

Phil Frazier Says No 3rd Patch or DLC For Madden 09

06:02 PM - October 17, 2008 by AndyP

Madden Planet has the scoop.

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	"Update #3? At this point, we are not planning to release another update. We will continue to listen to our fans and if any other widespread issues come up we may change this plan but the fixes made in update #2 solved all of the major problems people were experiencing with the game. Those that continued to have problems had success after completely wiping their old Madden data from their hard drive. DLC? Shortly before the release of Madden NFL 09, we had mentioned that we were looking into the possibility of releasing some post-launch DLC. At this point, DLC isn�t in the cards. Providing DLC is something that will stay on our radar down the road and is certainly something we�d love to provide to our most passionate fans, however at this stage we are no longer actively looking into this for 09."

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# 161 TJdaSportsGuy @ 10/21/08 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes


	Here ya go, dude. Straight out of Phil's mouth: Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2 "So its possible that MS will only let you patch NCAA once for free but twice for Madden? Does the number of games sold affect their decision? Any confirmation on this stuff would be great." Answer: "Yes this is very possible. All I know is Madden gets two. I'm not sure what logic MS and EA Corporate used to determine how many each game gets. All that stuff is handled during high-level negotiations with MS when EA signs on to be a developer for their platform. Phil" http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8-100-a-4.html Here's a related link/post from Phil: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...8-100-a-3.html

Thank you sir!

# 162 countryboy @ 10/21/08 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by umd


	Ah, just saw this now. I'll bite. Your gaming habits don't bother me at all. I just find it funny you always defend EA no matter what. You're a broken record around here. You're always the first in line to defend Madden to the end yet you wind up buying the last gen version every year because you're obviously not satisfied. I just think it's kind of ironic how you love to gloss over everyone else's issues with the next gen games just because you happen to play one way and they play another...what was your silly bathroom picturesque quote? Wasn't it: "playing games for what they are, rather than what they should be?"... that doesn't work for many people (I personally take Madden for what it is-an average at best franchise) but it's like your gospel around here. Not everyone likes to play their games at default as you do and thing like DLC, CPU sliders are a big deal for some people. I was looking forward to CPU sliders to be honest. I thought they would have helped the gameplay a great deal for the way I like my football to play. You sure do like to push your mantra on everyone who is critical. You always got a band-aid -- "blah blah blah just buy a second controller for dummy profiles - everyone needs a second controller eventually..." "blah blah blah just pick it up for PS2 if you want to play franchise...'' "blah blah blah...just do this, just do that" "blah blah blah they'll just patch all the bugs - every game has bugs and glitches..." I find it particularly funny and personally enjoy these forums because I get to stumble on your EA lovefest in the OS forums as I cruise around. It makes me smile. You're like EA's little silver lining around here. It's entertaining and cute.

Defend EA to no end? Ok. I'm pretty sure that I have been critical of Madden. Maybe its not well known because I don't plaster it in every single thread that is open. Maybe I should. And maybe my "positive posts" stand out here because there is so much negativity surrounding the board.

As far as me glossing over issues by stating, buy a second controller, buy the PS2, I mention those to try and help people out, nothing more. The biggest thing that people were missing from the DLC was the cpu sliders. All I was trying to do was try to help people out. But if you would actually read what I write instead of portions of it, you would've noticed that I talked about how a) the dummy profile system is no way excuses EA's bonehead move of removing sliders & b) how there are far greater issues with the game that sliders or DLC weren't going to fix. I guess you missed those two points as you were cruising around checking out what I write.

And I'm pushing my mantra? Yeah ok. I just point out what I see. I thought that was the purpose of this message board, everyone could state their opinions. But what I find ironic, is there are far greater people that push the negative opinion about Madden than those like me, that talk about the positives. All you have to do is read thru the forum.

And yes, I play games for what they instead of worrying about what they aren't. I guess you have no idea what that means. That means, that I play the game for what it is, bugs and all. Sometimes the bugs and glitches aren't bad enough that I can enjoy the game. Sometimes they are so horrendous out of the box that the game goes back. And sometimes, they start to wear on me to the point where I can't enjoy the game anymore. And thats whats happened the last two years of Madden. The little annoyances finally break my enjoyment for the game. What I don't do, is worry about whats not in the game. Why? Because call me crazy, but I'd rather focus on whats in the game and could make the game enjoyable rather than whats not in the game and dwell on it like some do. I know, what a silly concept.

So, I'm sorry that because I don't come onto the boards and slam Madden at every opportunity, that you somehow feel that I have nothing but postitive things to say, because that, my friend, couldn't be further from the truth. See, unless someone is completely slamming Madden on these boards, then they are considered fanboys. Maybe I am one, I don't know nor do I care. If thats what people want to label me, more power to them.But what I do know is that I am going to continue to voice my opinion as I see fit and if that bugs or annoys you, well then maybe you should put me on ignore.

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Originally Posted by umd


	I find it particularly funny and personally enjoy these forums because I get to stumble on your EA lovefest in the OS forums as I cruise around. It makes me smile. You're like EA's little silver lining around here. It's entertaining and cute.

So I'm the reason you keep coming back to the forums? I am the reason you enjoy the forums? And you say I'm cute and entertaining? I make you smile?

*Slowly backs out of forum with hands covering behind*

Take care,

CB

# 163 HealyMonster @ 10/21/08 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	So I'm the reason you keep coming back to the forums? I am the reason you enjoy the forums? And you say I'm cute and entertaining? I make you smile? Slowly backs out of forum with hands covering behind Take care, CB

LOL, Im entertained!

# 164 SolidSnake07 @ 10/21/08 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes


	Any explanation as to why no DLC? Other than, we already have your money?

LOL. Thats your answer.

NBA 2k9 is looking pretty good right about now.

*In his best Larry David voice*

"Prettyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy........ good."

# 165 countryboy @ 10/21/08 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake07


	LOL. Thats your answer. NBA 2k9 is looking pretty good right about now. In his best Larry David voice "Prettyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy....... prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy........ good."

I think NBA 2K9 looks good regardless of what shape Madden's in.

# 166 mdgoalie37 @ 10/21/08 01:39 PM

Wow, the silence from EA on this subject is deafening.

In June (http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-feature.html)
we were told about EA trying to get the accelerated clock into Madden (my primary interest in the DLC - remember, in June we didn't know that CPU sliders were out) and it took 4 months to get told that it's not coming. 4 months?

It's funny, I'm not even ticked. I don't really care, and apathy is much worse than anger.

My gaming time is way down right now with the baseball playoffs (go Phillies!!!) anyway, however in 7-10 days that will be over and I'll be back to gaming more often. Now I don't hate Madden 09, at least not as much as some here, so I guess I will try to play it some along with NCAA and NHL. I have a feeling NHL will wind up taking most of my time.

That said, I'm out for Madden 2010 until at least October and only if reviews are overwhelmingly positive.

# 167 SoxFan01605 @ 10/21/08 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	I think NBA 2K9 looks good regardless of what shape Madden's in.

That it does

# 168 SoxFan01605 @ 10/21/08 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mdgoalie37


	Wow, the silence from EA on this subject is deafening. In June (http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-feature.html) we were told about EA trying to get the accelerated clock into Madden (my primary interest in the DLC - remember, in June we didn't know that CPU sliders were out) and it took 4 months to get told that it's not coming. 4 months? It's funny, I'm not even ticked. I don't really care, and apathy is much worse than anger. My gaming time is way down right now with the baseball playoffs (go Phillies!!!) anyway, however in 7-10 days that will be over and I'll be back to gaming more often. Now I don't hate Madden 09, at least not as much as some here, so I guess I will try to play it some along with NCAA and NHL. I have a feeling NHL will wind up taking most of my time. That said, I'm out for Madden 2010 until at least October and only if reviews are overwhelmingly positive.

In all honesty, what do you expect them to say? It got scrapped. I don't think coming in and explaining why will help anything. It will just stir up the haters who are waiting to jump at a chance to attack the devs for it not being out. If there's a good explaination, it won't matter...people with pick it apart. If there isn't a good explaination, then people will pick it apart. Nothing to be gained. It's not as though Ian's been in hiding or something. He's been on here, just not discussing the moot point of the DLC.

As for Madden 2010, that's probably the best way to go about it. Wait to see if it meets your individual demands (I'd throw in a rental too, to be sure

and go from there. My life isn't better or worse because of Madden. I barely played 06-08 (all rentals) and survived just fine. HC lured me into an actual purchase this year (strongly recommend it if you like franchise management simming) but even then I got it used. Hopefully it get's back on track...we'll see.

# 169 mdgoalie37 @ 10/21/08 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SoxFan01605


	In all honesty, what do you expect them to say? It got scrapped. I don't think coming in and explaining why will help anything. It will just stir up the haters who are waiting to jump at a chance to attack the devs for it not being out. If there's a good explaination, it won't matter...people with pick it apart. If there isn't a good explaination, then people will pick it apart. Nothing to be gained. It's not as though Ian's been in hiding or something. He's been on here, just not discussing the moot point of the DLC. As for Madden 2010, that's probably the best way to go about it. Wait to see if it meets your individual demands (I'd throw in a rental too, to be sure and go from there. My life isn't better or worse because of Madden. I barely played 06-08 (all rentals) and survived just fine. HC lured me into an actual purchase this year (strongly recommend it if you like franchise management simming) but even then I got it used. Hopefully it get's back on track...we'll see.

I would like to know which side it to blame - was it never completed or worked on at all (I don't believe this is the case, btw) or was there an issue on the MS/Sony side that prevented the DLC? An why did it take so long to tell us? I think the latter is the question I would like to see answered the most.

Like I said above, I'm not even upset - just this whole thing leaves a bad taste.

# 170 SoxFan01605 @ 10/21/08 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mdgoalie37


	I would like to know which side it to blame - was it never completed or worked on at all (I don't believe this is the case, btw) or was there an issue on the MS/Sony side that prevented the DLC? An why did it take so long to tell us? I think the latter is the question I would like to see answered the most. Like I said above, I'm not even upset - just this whole thing leaves a bad taste.

I feel ya. I'd like to know too, to be honest. My point is that many wouldn't be able to maturely react to whatever info is given and there is nothing for Ian or Phill to gain from going over it. Maybe they will eventually though, I dunno.

# 171 mdgoalie37 @ 10/21/08 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes


	Actually, I think the forum members have acted pretty maturely, considering the disappointing nature of the DLC news and how it was delivered. The sh*t storm that CB predicted never really materialized.

Certainly nothing like the 'no CPU sliders' thread from August. I guess the biggest difference is back then you had a lot of the people who only visit this site when the game is released and now you have more of the hardcore regulars who post all year long.

# 172 TheWatcher @ 10/21/08 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Segagendude


	The demo this year was pointless, as it wasn't long enough, and it sucked me in graphics-wise. Renting it first is the best advice, as well as reading the initial reviews here.

And now you go back to that demo where we all questioned why we couldn't play defense, and even though EA reps said they took defense out of the demo because they wanted to do "something different", it's hard not to come to the conclusion that they did it to cover up the fact that the CPU QB's in '09 are all Joe Montana's with Peyton Manning arms that almost never miss.

It's hard to believe that the leaders of the project had no idea that CPU sliders were gone. The only way that could happen is if they don't play their own game. Seriously, how else could they not know? And surely they do play their own game, right? If not, then right there is a core problem with why we've had so many issues. As far as I'm concerned, if you're a project leader of a video game, there should be few if any unknowns about the features and options of the game you're working on, and certainly nothing as major as the absence of CPU sliders...

# 173 countryboy @ 10/21/08 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GTheorenHobbes


	Actually, I think the forum members have acted pretty maturely, considering the disappointing nature of the DLC news and how it was delivered. The sh*t storm that CB predicted never really materialized.

No, it certainly didn't get as bad as I thought it would. It started that direction a few times, but over the long haul, things stayed pretty civilized. But hey, thats a good thing.

# 174 Pared @ 10/21/08 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mdgoalie37


	Certainly nothing like the 'no CPU sliders' thread from August. I guess the biggest difference is back then you had a lot of the people who only visit this site when the game is released and now you have more of the hardcore regulars who post all year long.

Let's not forget those who have moved on because of how the game is and simply don't care about the DLC.

Accelerated clock can't "save" a game for some.

# 175 PaulZweber @ 10/21/08 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by countryboy


	Why is it wrong that more "rah rah rah" is coming from my corner? Is it against the rules to like Madden? And I guess you could've just typed balls, but I don't think it would've made much sense in response to his post.

Thats not against the rules, but it is pretty much an unwritten rule that if you bash Madden, or Live, or EA, or any of the "cool" OSers, then at the minimum you get a warning. Funny the bias around here.

# 176 PaulZweber @ 10/21/08 05:10 PM

The demo for this years Madden was horendous. No way can you start to form an opinion on that. Ian and Phil have proved nothing, and don't deserve the amount of respect or admiration that many around here give them. Nothing they have done has shown that next years game will be better, and I hope too many people aren't waiting for another sub-par game. This DLC meant a lot to some, mostly people who were unhappy with the Robo-QB and accelerated clock. Others didn't care if it came out or not, they are the ones who are quite content playing a game that isn't very good, and don't care if it gets better. If you don't care about the DLC not coming out, good for you, enjoy this unrealistic, sub-par game. I will be playing all the great games out there.

# 177 matt8204 @ 10/21/08 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by clarkerots


	Translation, we have your money and now we'll work to get it again next year. I know this is disappointing to all and I know this next sentence may sting a little but.......you're all partially to blame. EA continues to let you down, and you continue to have hope. The same people who are frustrated and say this sucks and this is the last straw and they won't buy Madden next year, you'll be in line at midnight for Madden 2010. Online cheesers are the target market now and that's all you have, that's all the NFL has given you. This was predicted years ago when EA purchased the right for no competition. It will continue on the downward spiral until hell freezes over, the NFL exclusive contract is over, and a company stands up to take the giant down.

You're absolutely right.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

# 178 deebo2246 @ 10/21/08 05:49 PM

I posted this in the NCAA thread and I think this applies to Madden as well, since they are related and have the same company working on them.

I do not believe EA/Tiburon has the capacity to make a complete NCAA/NFL football game because they are stuck in their "if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality". They still have millions of copies flying off the shelves and just because alot of people are trading the game in, it does not reflect their bottom line negatively. I believe their CEO said it best when he was quoted as saying the investors do not care about the cames content, only their bottom line. Therefore, I would advise everyone to not be so suprised when you get the same engine and problems next year, but next July/August these boards will be buzzing and we will be duped again by their community days and fall for the bananna in the tailpipe and give them our money. Why? Because we can't help it we are football feens who must have their yearly fix. As for me, I am entering EA Sports rehab and not buying their games until they change significantly with their approach to providing us with the real "If it's in the game, its in the game." However my lost to them means nothing unless a million of EA Football gamers take the same approach, but that is wishful thinking.

Phil, Ian and Adam I wish you the best, but I know your pain with dealing with executives and investors who can care less about authenticity. You catch the flack for their shallow visions and focus on money and not innovation. However, you have blls to pay and families to take care of and because of that you roll with what you are told. Everyone here would do the same if they were in your role, and should not bash them, but look at who tells them what they can and not do with their projects. The consumers are the only ones who can make them change by not forking over the money on day 1, but once again wishful thinking. EA, I congratulate you on such a successful business model, but be wary every good thing does eventually come to an end without innovation and revolutionary changes in their products. So ride the wave of success while you can with your buddies! (NFL, NCAA, Nascar)

# 179 kcq71 @ 10/21/08 06:56 PM

No need to bash anyone.I just will not buy another football game from EA.I talk with my wallet

# 180 WeBB15 @ 10/21/08 07:26 PM

Exactly, no need to bash something thats already awful in the first place, sure its disappointing... but if ths game was worth DLC, i would care... I mean cmon, no refs, same animations over n over... those are just 2 lil things that make this game look like and play like ****....

Who cares about DLC?

I just want a good next gen football game... besides the graphics... this game is like its meant to played on PSP...

Definently not buying madden 2010 for the first time in years.... waiting on user reviews and gameplay videos first. definently

Nobody even talks about madden anymore its hilarious and .. sad

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