06:04 AM - September 3, 2008 by stahre News Post
06:04 AM - September 3, 2008 by stahre
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# 41
catcatch22 @ 09/04/08 12:53 AM
After playing with the demo some, I definitely like it more than 2k9. Much better visually, gameplay wise and control wise. Presentation in 2k9 in terms of opening sequence and intros is awesome and I am not sure if NHL 08 will be able to match that but that is ok.
As for the actual gameplay it looks very good, lots of improvements and there are still some areas that they may have been addressed but without sliders I am not sure if they can be or are lingering problems.
On All Star the AI forechecks well and so does your guys however during backechecking the forwards on both teams go to far in terms of forechecking leaving the defenseman alone and backing up.
Not enough forward backchecking. Which is wierd because in be a pro on the same difficulty level the opposite can be said with the forwards on your team and theirs, they actually do a good job of getting back. Be a pro plays more sim than the regular play now.
One pet peeve of mine since last year has been the lighting. The arenas are just too well lit. Last year the player models did not have no shaded lighting effects on them so it blended well. However this year they added shaded lighting effects to the player models and yes it looks great on the players and all but now it looks wierd because the arena is still well lit thus there is an all encompassing light source. How are these guys having shadows and such when there is no true light sources around the rink. Its an esthetics bash but last year was tolerable not it just looks overdone with no true light sources. I guess I will have to get used to it
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As for the actual gameplay it looks very good, lots of improvements and there are still some areas that they may have been addressed but without sliders I am not sure if they can be or are lingering problems.
On All Star the AI forechecks well and so does your guys however during backechecking the forwards on both teams go to far in terms of forechecking leaving the defenseman alone and backing up.
Not enough forward backchecking. Which is wierd because in be a pro on the same difficulty level the opposite can be said with the forwards on your team and theirs, they actually do a good job of getting back. Be a pro plays more sim than the regular play now.
One pet peeve of mine since last year has been the lighting. The arenas are just too well lit. Last year the player models did not have no shaded lighting effects on them so it blended well. However this year they added shaded lighting effects to the player models and yes it looks great on the players and all but now it looks wierd because the arena is still well lit thus there is an all encompassing light source. How are these guys having shadows and such when there is no true light sources around the rink. Its an esthetics bash but last year was tolerable not it just looks overdone with no true light sources. I guess I will have to get used to it
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Very impressed with everything I've seen in this demo.
Be A Player is going to be huge - HUGE.
The addition of having the Three Stars skate out on the ice is also a very nice presentation touch as well.
Be A Player is going to be huge - HUGE.
The addition of having the Three Stars skate out on the ice is also a very nice presentation touch as well.
EA did not include the intros in the demo.. They have already said they will match the ones from the teaser video coming out of the tunnel from the dressing room etc..
As for the gameplay... the 360 stick on D is sweet... very nice option for blocking shots and passes. I am also a big fan of the dump button now... I have to admit that that first thing that jumped out at me was the player models and the authenticity that goes into every player. Granted guys like Datsyuk and Malkin look more real to life then say a Jiri Hudler, but you can still see the resemblance.
Finally, I love the action cam, this year and I will definitely be playing with that view. 3 stars is nice at the end, and if a guy like Malkin or Crosby gets it, you will notice the fans booing and you can see Malkin or Crosby give them the glove as if to say "whatever" which is a nice touch as well.
Last thing... for anyone with an HDTV, NHL 08 and NHL 09 are night and day in terms of HD quality and lighting/detail. Well done EA. So pumped for this game. Will be at Wal Mart on Midnight Monday to buy it and start it off with a Datsyuk be a pro
Go Wings!!
As for the gameplay... the 360 stick on D is sweet... very nice option for blocking shots and passes. I am also a big fan of the dump button now... I have to admit that that first thing that jumped out at me was the player models and the authenticity that goes into every player. Granted guys like Datsyuk and Malkin look more real to life then say a Jiri Hudler, but you can still see the resemblance.
Finally, I love the action cam, this year and I will definitely be playing with that view. 3 stars is nice at the end, and if a guy like Malkin or Crosby gets it, you will notice the fans booing and you can see Malkin or Crosby give them the glove as if to say "whatever" which is a nice touch as well.
Last thing... for anyone with an HDTV, NHL 08 and NHL 09 are night and day in terms of HD quality and lighting/detail. Well done EA. So pumped for this game. Will be at Wal Mart on Midnight Monday to buy it and start it off with a Datsyuk be a pro
Go Wings!!
# 44
kerosene31 @ 09/04/08 10:11 AM
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You see someone criticizing your game and automatically think "2k fanboy".
Let the 2k vs EA thing go. I actually didn't like either hockey game in 08, and after playing both demos in 09, I'm not sold on either game yet again.
I didn't play through either game last year, because they both had annoying flaws. It was the first time in many years I didn't take at least one game to the cup.
It seems like we just argue about which one is better, and then we follow it like a religion. Me? I see flaws in both games and bring them up all the time.
Sorry, but I'm just one of those people in the minority who aren't getting much enjoyment out of EA's games. They just don't "feel" right.
Anyway, nobody else feels the skating engine is different? I mean, that's one area I thought 08 nailed perfectly. This year, I feel like I'm floating side to side at times, and not skating on a straight edge. I'll have to pop in 08, but like I said, that's one of the few areas I felt EA got right last year and now it feels different.
Can we please refrain from the EA/2K BS? I realize at times the two games may be used to draw parallels and make comparisons, but for the most part, there isn't a need to bring one game into the discussion of the other. Thanks...
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And Kerosene, I played a few games of 08 last night on the slow online game speed setting and it was noticeably different in terms of skating feel. There's something different about it to me, but I can't put my finger on it at this point. It strikes me as more of a 'feel' issue as opposed to engine/mechanic changes. As I said before, I used speed and acceleration at zero last year, so I'm hoping that fiddling with these sliders may help.
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And Kerosene, I played a few games of 08 last night on the slow online game speed setting and it was noticeably different in terms of skating feel. There's something different about it to me, but I can't put my finger on it at this point. It strikes me as more of a 'feel' issue as opposed to engine/mechanic changes. As I said before, I used speed and acceleration at zero last year, so I'm hoping that fiddling with these sliders may help.
Some of the things that impress me most so far aren't anything big. In fact, it seems there isn't really anything large that was needed from last year, just a polish.
The highlights are better, and I mean they are more relevant.
AI is better. It's nice to see guys from both sides making plays when I'm not controlling them.
Goalie play much improved.
It's hard to put a finger on any one thing that's dramatically improved, but there's a lot of smaller things that were polished that will add up to a much better game this year.
Oh...also, I really like the stuff mapped to the d-pad. I just found it at the end of my last game, so haven't had time to mess with it, but it's great to see some stuff like breakout and forecheck settings.
The highlights are better, and I mean they are more relevant.
AI is better. It's nice to see guys from both sides making plays when I'm not controlling them.
Goalie play much improved.
It's hard to put a finger on any one thing that's dramatically improved, but there's a lot of smaller things that were polished that will add up to a much better game this year.
Oh...also, I really like the stuff mapped to the d-pad. I just found it at the end of my last game, so haven't had time to mess with it, but it's great to see some stuff like breakout and forecheck settings.
# 47
kerosene31 @ 09/04/08 11:33 AM
I don't mean to slam 09 either, although I guess I pretty much did. Overall it plays a good game of hockey. Many of my big problems with 08 have been fixed or at least tweaked.
09 is definitely going in the right direction, I was just hoping for more dramatic improvements, but I guess that is the usual for all sports gamers. After hearing all the PS3 people raving about it, my expectations were really high.
The "pinball" passing from 08 is gone, and that is a big plus.
09 is definitely going in the right direction, I was just hoping for more dramatic improvements, but I guess that is the usual for all sports gamers. After hearing all the PS3 people raving about it, my expectations were really high.
The "pinball" passing from 08 is gone, and that is a big plus.
A great game(NHL 08) made better.
I LOVE the fact that the tutorial actually just explains how things go now. i might have missed it last year but it never was THIS exact. this is almost like last gen's Winning Eleven mechanic when you shoot at goal. Simply fantastic stuff. Just wish there were maybe some outdoor rinks. that would be cool ala the Buffalo game....
I LOVE the fact that the tutorial actually just explains how things go now. i might have missed it last year but it never was THIS exact. this is almost like last gen's Winning Eleven mechanic when you shoot at goal. Simply fantastic stuff. Just wish there were maybe some outdoor rinks. that would be cool ala the Buffalo game....
i played this for an hour last night...
i agree that the speed is still too fast on the demo...will agree that this should be toned down.
i like the checking options...it's still too easy, but i did get caught a few times out of position, and unlike last year's game, i got burnt.
spacing of players seems to be a bit better...when you take chances and make stupid decisions you'll get scored on.
one-timers are toned down...this is a good thing.
i also like choosing separate lines for forward and d-men...nice addition.
i'm hoping that they shore up a few things before it comes out for real...this will be the best hockey game yet. not perfect, mind you, but very good.
i agree that the speed is still too fast on the demo...will agree that this should be toned down.
i like the checking options...it's still too easy, but i did get caught a few times out of position, and unlike last year's game, i got burnt.
spacing of players seems to be a bit better...when you take chances and make stupid decisions you'll get scored on.
one-timers are toned down...this is a good thing.
i also like choosing separate lines for forward and d-men...nice addition.
i'm hoping that they shore up a few things before it comes out for real...this will be the best hockey game yet. not perfect, mind you, but very good.
one thing i liked is that the CPU's goals were all legit and not the same BS from 08 (slot top-shelf, off crossbar stuff that was automatic).
and also the CPU takes shots. No more 3-1 games with me having 50 shots and them having 10
and also the CPU takes shots. No more 3-1 games with me having 50 shots and them having 10
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"I really love what ___ has done with the ______ this year. I think that this will really improve the play on the ice because __________________. Not to mention that ___ totally screws this up in their game, what a crap-fest that game will be! Long live _____!
All it takes to make that a perfectly acceptable post is:
"I really love what ___ has done with the ______ this year. I think that this will really improve the play on the ice because __________________.
See what I mean? The point can easily be made without the second part... OK, enough of me already. I'm just aiming for preemptive strikes so that we can all enjoy the hockey gaming season no matter what game we prefer. Goodbye.
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kerosene31 @ 09/04/08 03:07 PM
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# 54
kerosene31 @ 09/04/08 03:14 PM
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Last year was kind of crazy with playing "keep-away" on both sides. 09 seems to have gotten rid of this completely, which is really nice.
Finally got some time with the demo last night, random thoughts most of which others have mentioned...
Nice to finally get that 'awwww I almost scored' feeling on post shots because they are rare, not [sarcasm] 'wow, the 7th post shot of the period.'
More off target shots. The net feels smaller because more pucks are shot off target, specially backhand shots. Hopefully this will keep shot totals at a realistic level on period lengths of around 10 minutes.
I can feel the better players. I can tell when Malkin and Crosby are on the ice against me and I can tell when I've got Zetterberg. I can't wait to see how this plays out with longer period lengths where line management will hopefully be important.
I kind of like the balance of off target/intercepted passes and completed passes. Sure there should be more bad passes but I think they balanced fun and realism rather well.
Fighting is terrible. Worse than last year in my opinion.
Nice to finally get that 'awwww I almost scored' feeling on post shots because they are rare, not [sarcasm] 'wow, the 7th post shot of the period.'
More off target shots. The net feels smaller because more pucks are shot off target, specially backhand shots. Hopefully this will keep shot totals at a realistic level on period lengths of around 10 minutes.
I can feel the better players. I can tell when Malkin and Crosby are on the ice against me and I can tell when I've got Zetterberg. I can't wait to see how this plays out with longer period lengths where line management will hopefully be important.
I kind of like the balance of off target/intercepted passes and completed passes. Sure there should be more bad passes but I think they balanced fun and realism rather well.
Fighting is terrible. Worse than last year in my opinion.
I haven't had time to try this demo out yet... maybe tonight, job willing.
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# 58
kerosene31 @ 09/04/08 05:26 PM
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All sports game AI has to cheat somehow. Otherwise we'd all have perfect seasons offline.
The loose puck battle is the worst. People who played 08 have to have noticed it, unless you play on pro difficulty. I shouldn't have to poke check the same guy 3 times in a row to take the puck. All the other ones you can compensate for. Just because you can counter them, doesn't make them less annoying.
Although, they seem less drastic in 09. I have to play more games on all star, but it certainly still seems to be there. Loose puck battles are a huge part of the game, and when the CPU magically wins 80% of them, it feels cheap to me, even if you win the game.
It also gets worse when you start messing with sliders. Certain settings just won't impact the CPU players the same way they hinder the human player.
# 59
ohyeahbaby123 @ 09/04/08 05:46 PM
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Haha, I kid I kid.
But in all honesty, I don't think the AI cheats. It just adapts to what you do... After I learned to use the defensive controls last year, I rarely had trouble with these so called "AI comebacks."
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