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# 41
countryboy @ 05/31/08 11:40 AM
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Constructive criticism = Ok
Flaming criticism = no point & no value
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spankdatazz22 @ 05/31/08 11:59 AM
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Either way, I'm not trying to sidetrack things. I hadn't posted much because the board's been very active and I've just been reading. I only posted because I was getting the feeling that it seems like legit criticism of Madden '09 is off limits because we have an EA dev here interacting w/the board.
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As CB said, constructive criticism is always good, but the same old "why is this 4 years behind 2k, that isn't being very productive to the interaction of developer and posters.
The player models in the Giant/Pats video wwere improved from the first Giant/pats video that was released. Wilfork no longer has a washboard stomach which is good to see.
Other than that, it looks liek an upgrade over last years. Im not expecting anything fantastic. Hopefully they ironed out the bugs, and the PS3 version is as smooth as the 360s.
I also love how they cant show the entire starting lineups. Only the key players. Way to go EA.... NOT
Other than that, it looks liek an upgrade over last years. Im not expecting anything fantastic. Hopefully they ironed out the bugs, and the PS3 version is as smooth as the 360s.
I also love how they cant show the entire starting lineups. Only the key players. Way to go EA.... NOT
# 45
BrianFifaFan @ 05/31/08 04:21 PM
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But here's what sad. Even if you "take your ball and go home," (not meaning you) you still aren't helping the situation. Heck, the person leaving might have some valuable insight that could be the lynchpin that ties everything together. To make a great game. Who knows? All I know is that complaining never got anything done. Rolling up your sleeves and pitching in does. Even if that means shutting your trap and holding a kneejerk, emotional response and forcing yourself to focus and create a meaningful addition to this board where WE can get something done.
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countryboy @ 05/31/08 04:25 PM
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spankdatazz22 @ 05/31/08 07:07 PM
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BrianFifaFan @ 05/31/08 07:29 PM
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All they can really do now is either not buy it and offer some feedback info, which would be helpful. Wait until a year from now to get the lay of the land and make a decision then. Or lastly continue on the ludicris course of trying to right the injustice of the "evil EA monopoly" by complaining until the NFL "sees the light." Ha. Holding my breath on that one.....
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PS: yes not the best analogy but u get my drift. lol
# 50
Ian_Cummings @ 05/31/08 08:06 PM
What an excellent debate. Thought I'd stop my EURO 2008 marathon session and chime in real quick with some points. Then I REALLY need to get off of here.
1. I appreciate VERY MUCH the folks that are "policing" so to speak and trying to keep things constructive. As you mentioned, when posts like the one from Yves? show up it is not easy for me to be civil and professional (and want to return) - I'm only human. Posts like his will also be the barrier for quite a while for ALL designers, artists, engineers, art directors, etc to join the forums...Phil and I have been at Tiburon and making Madden for a long time, and we know what to expect. A 2nd year guy probably can't handle that type of stuff professionally yet, so we need to keep them away from it.
2. I really wish we had more of a voice in the other feature areas. I know it's frustrating to have this out-pouring of information in gameplay and just have zilch elsewhere. Phil is working hard on that. I'll say it again, obviously I can't answer non-gameplay questions, but it doesn't hurt to post them somewhere anyway so it doesn't get lost (hopefully).
3. I think you all are right on that 09 shouldn't get a pass. If you've got old grudges harbored from 06, 07, and 08, or you're frustrated that we're still behind 2k in some areas, then let it fly. I think it's becoming obvious that Phil and I are trying to make some rather drastic changes around here - and we WANT you to be brutally honest about issues you see, because that ends up giving us all the more firepower to make Madden what we ultimately want it to be. Madden as a franchise has definitely had it's shares of ups and downs, and we want to bring it back to the golden era. For you and for us. So again...don't pull any punches. But again, the more constructive, the easier it is for me to sleep at night. Not like I do anyway.
4. I kind of agree though with a couple of the guys that you should know that OL/DL and WR/DB are major weak spots, and re-hashing complaints and known issues from other threads really doesn't do much. But that being said, again (back to point 3), let us have it...I don't care. The last thing I want to do is turn this into a censored hunky-dory love fest where we all talk about how awesome I am. We are big boys, we can take it. Based on all the feedback so far, we're feverishly trying to get last second changes in, but as you guys should know by now I will be honest and say so - those aren't good areas for Madden. Should you forgive me for it just because I'm posting? No. But should they be game-killers for you? I really hope not...again going back to one of my very first posts, my top 5 at the beginning of the year was this (and we could really only do 3 because of the tech investment):
1. Player control
2. Catching
3. Tackling
4. OL/DL play
5. Expanded Gang Tackling
We addressed the top 3 in many ways I never thought possible in a sports game...so hopefully those can outweigh the current weak spots and still let you see that Madden is FINALLY an EXTREMELY fun game with unprecedented control and really great catching & tackling. But if something IS a game-killer and the reason you a.) don't buy it, or b.) take it back, again, I want to hear that.
I just hope everyone will start to see that we ARE moving in the right direction, and the best part is that ALL OF YOU can guide that direction there moving forward. I mean we've made upwards of 25-30 changes just in the 2 weeks I've been on here...from the minor (sock color) to the major (getting gang tackling working right). That to me is getting pretty amazing. Imagine what will happen when we've got a whole year together, especially when we're getting feedback when ideas are still in the design phase. 09 is a great game...no doubt. But there is also some amazing stuff up ahead.
- Ian
(Awesome Guy)
PS - as per the other Q & A thread, I'm desperately trying to get the DL pancake issue fixed.
1. I appreciate VERY MUCH the folks that are "policing" so to speak and trying to keep things constructive. As you mentioned, when posts like the one from Yves? show up it is not easy for me to be civil and professional (and want to return) - I'm only human. Posts like his will also be the barrier for quite a while for ALL designers, artists, engineers, art directors, etc to join the forums...Phil and I have been at Tiburon and making Madden for a long time, and we know what to expect. A 2nd year guy probably can't handle that type of stuff professionally yet, so we need to keep them away from it.
2. I really wish we had more of a voice in the other feature areas. I know it's frustrating to have this out-pouring of information in gameplay and just have zilch elsewhere. Phil is working hard on that. I'll say it again, obviously I can't answer non-gameplay questions, but it doesn't hurt to post them somewhere anyway so it doesn't get lost (hopefully).
3. I think you all are right on that 09 shouldn't get a pass. If you've got old grudges harbored from 06, 07, and 08, or you're frustrated that we're still behind 2k in some areas, then let it fly. I think it's becoming obvious that Phil and I are trying to make some rather drastic changes around here - and we WANT you to be brutally honest about issues you see, because that ends up giving us all the more firepower to make Madden what we ultimately want it to be. Madden as a franchise has definitely had it's shares of ups and downs, and we want to bring it back to the golden era. For you and for us. So again...don't pull any punches. But again, the more constructive, the easier it is for me to sleep at night. Not like I do anyway.
4. I kind of agree though with a couple of the guys that you should know that OL/DL and WR/DB are major weak spots, and re-hashing complaints and known issues from other threads really doesn't do much. But that being said, again (back to point 3), let us have it...I don't care. The last thing I want to do is turn this into a censored hunky-dory love fest where we all talk about how awesome I am. We are big boys, we can take it. Based on all the feedback so far, we're feverishly trying to get last second changes in, but as you guys should know by now I will be honest and say so - those aren't good areas for Madden. Should you forgive me for it just because I'm posting? No. But should they be game-killers for you? I really hope not...again going back to one of my very first posts, my top 5 at the beginning of the year was this (and we could really only do 3 because of the tech investment):
1. Player control
2. Catching
3. Tackling
4. OL/DL play
5. Expanded Gang Tackling
We addressed the top 3 in many ways I never thought possible in a sports game...so hopefully those can outweigh the current weak spots and still let you see that Madden is FINALLY an EXTREMELY fun game with unprecedented control and really great catching & tackling. But if something IS a game-killer and the reason you a.) don't buy it, or b.) take it back, again, I want to hear that.
I just hope everyone will start to see that we ARE moving in the right direction, and the best part is that ALL OF YOU can guide that direction there moving forward. I mean we've made upwards of 25-30 changes just in the 2 weeks I've been on here...from the minor (sock color) to the major (getting gang tackling working right). That to me is getting pretty amazing. Imagine what will happen when we've got a whole year together, especially when we're getting feedback when ideas are still in the design phase. 09 is a great game...no doubt. But there is also some amazing stuff up ahead.
- Ian
(Awesome Guy)
PS - as per the other Q & A thread, I'm desperately trying to get the DL pancake issue fixed.
# 51
BrianFifaFan @ 05/31/08 08:18 PM
Thanks so much Ian. I'll just speak for myself, it's really great what you and Phil are trying to do. And it makes me very happy to hear you're having a marathon UEFA session, seeing as I too am a soccer nut! I was wondering if maybe we should start a "criticisms/concerns" thread to keep that type of feedback organized and let guys have their fair voice. What think ye? We do normally have a "bugs/glitches" and "impressions" thread post-release....
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countryboy @ 05/31/08 08:46 PM
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spankdatazz22 @ 05/31/08 09:59 PM
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Ian, now that you are a memeber here and seem to like the overall vibe. when you get some time you may want to use the search tools and find some of the old wishlist and gameplay threads for both madden and APF. there has been some great dialog and suggestions floating around here for years.
Even though I am not a Madden fan, I can appreciate the fact that you all are coming here to get ideas. Good job from a community relations standpoint. I hope you can give these football fans the SIM football game that they have been dreaming about since 2004 released that football blockbuster (NFL 2K5)
# 56
bigeastbumrush @ 06/01/08 12:04 AM
For all the 2K5 diehards, stop the complaining, fire up your old XBOX and download the rosters in the 2K5 forum. Go play until you fall dizzy.
But stop brining up that nonsense.
It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.
This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.
But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.
But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.
But stop brining up that nonsense.
It was the greatest football videogame I ever played, but it wasn't perfect. Just as you accepted 2K5's faults (and I won't mention them), either keep playing it now or accept Madden for what it will be. It's your choice and your money.
This stupid conversation takes place every year. The only reason it's so strong right now is because it SEEMS as if Madden might finally be turning the corner.
But I don't think their current goal is to re-create 2K5. Hell, the pre-beta Madden looks better than 2K5 in SOME respects.
But there's just way too much focus on "what 2K5 did". And some of the requests that I have been reading are just way too nitpicky.
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most are not complaining, we are trying to give enough input and detail on what 2K5 did well so that Madden is better than 2k5, hopefully their goal is at some point to be MUCH better than 2k5. Ian himself asked for input on what we liked so much about the series
everyone knows 2K5 was not perfect. i dont think anyone ever claimed it to be.
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# 60
HealyMonster @ 06/01/08 02:44 AM
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im a presentation whore. pretty much if madden got 2k5' presentation im good. at this point theres not much difference in gameplay in my opinion only separation is the presentation and feel of a game. madden is boring still.
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