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Madden 09 Producer Blog: Play Call Changes: EA Sports

01:27 AM - May 7, 2008 by hdaniel1

EA Sports has posted another Madden 09 producer blog called Play Call Changes.

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	"Play Call is arguably the most important screen in the game. You spend the majority of your time on this screen and it is the epicenter of all the important decisions that are made in game. We set out this year with a goal of completely revolutionizing the Play Call screen with a new level of presentation and most importantly interaction."

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# 41 BezO @ 05/07/08 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Apparently we do. Like someone else already mentioned, there are Tv style stat overlays, something we've already seen in the whopping 4 mins of video we've been overwhelmed with.

Again, great. If there are consistent stat overlays in the game, you could've simply corrected me. But the spin you try to put on my post is terrible.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	It's also pretty evident a lot of 2k's running elements have made it into Madden.

The upright running? That wasn't a positive in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	If you're waiting for a carbon copy of 2k... well, you'll be waiting a long time.

I'm not looking for a copy of 2K. I could care less about 2K. Don't mistake my preferences for 2K loyalty just because they used things I liked. I just want things I like in Madden, just like everyone else here. It's nothing more than that. If you assume it is, that is your mistake.

# 42 coogrfan @ 05/07/08 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BezO


	Replays are a presentation element, no? Stat overlays? I think we read different things. The blog is titled Play Call Changes. On the Play Call screen you can now view replays and stats. Replays and the way stats are shown are presentation elements. No, it's like blaming NCAA's lack of camera angles on the guys that work on camera angles. Again, I don't see how replays & stat presentation are outside of the presentation elements of the game. You listed replays as a presentation element yourself.

In my view there's a difference between in-game tv style replays/stat overlays and the user controlled replays/stats that we've traditionally had to pause the game to see. The former can be considered a part of presentation (if we accept that term to mean "recreating the feel of a tv broadcast"), while the latter is more properly considered a part of the overall user interface.

The replays and stats on the playcalling screen will be of the more traditional "pause screen" variety, EA is just implementing a short cut.

You are, of course, free to see things differently.

# 43 BezO @ 05/07/08 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by a4reak


	I think your missing the point. EA has yet to give the typical EA blitz of information so I am not going to question gameplay additions until I get a full understanding of what if anything did they do.

I don't need to HEAR anything to know the gameplay additions I was looking for are not in the game. It's apparent in the vids. But I'm not sure why we're going there.

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Originally Posted by a4reak


	When we have yet to hear one line of commentary from Hammond n Collinsworth, I question how anyone can complain right now on the short comings (like you did in your first post) with the little to no info we have.

I am commenting on what's released and posted, just like everyone else in the thread. If what I've seen is improved by release, great. I will have something better to say then.

What I don't get is you having a problem with me expressing opinions when everyone's opinions are based on the same info. I can only guess it's because I'm not impressed. Just like I don't know what else will come, those people don't know if these features will work properly. But again, you don't have a problem with their comments this early in development.

# 44 Harlemal @ 05/07/08 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	In my view there's a difference between in-game tv style replays/stat overlays and the user controlled replays/stats that we've traditionally had to pause the game to see. The former can be considered a part of presentation (if we accept that term to mean "recreating the feel of a tv broadcast"), while the latter is more properly considered a part of the overall user interface. The replays and stats on the playcalling screen will be of the more traditional "pause screen" variety, EA is just implementing a short cut. You are, of course, free to see things differently.

aint no use talkin to him. he been repeating the same sh!t. why r we talkin about gameplay when this thread about playcall changes. when we see the gameplay vid then we all make a decision on whats ritgh and whats wrong. but even still u wouldnt know until we play it. i understand everybody get upset because they want the best product and they should but sometimes yall take it overboard. either take it yo the 2k thread or make up one will yall can complain. THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT THE PLAY CALL SCREEN.

# 45 Pared @ 05/07/08 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BezO


	Again, great. If there are consistent stat overlays in the game, you could've simply corrected me. But the spin you try to put on my post is terrible.

There wasn't any spin put on your diatribe at all. I'm simply posting my honest opinions, as you are doing... right?

Again, all this from 4 minutes of pre-release video.

It will not be 2k football. Just like you felt last year, you should probably just stick with 2k football if that is what you are looking for.

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Originally Posted by BezO


	I am commenting on what's released and posted, just like everyone else in the thread. If what I've seen is improved by release, great. I will have something better to say then.

Ugh. You're going in circles now.

# 46 BezO @ 05/07/08 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by a4reak


	So in the four plus minutes of gameplay vids, its been confirmed no stat overlays tv presentation style or replays? Sorry I missed that

I give it to you. You're trying. But I never said there were replays. There are obviously replays. My point was that stat presentation & replays are presentation elements of the game. EA is touting improved presentation. These are not the presentation improvements I was looking for.

Save that inaccurate sarcasm for someone else.

# 47 yamabushi @ 05/07/08 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Field goal returns must have been put under a new category this season. Instead of gameplay, it must be considered by the public as presentation this year.

This just goes to my point, It was either a quick fix to a line of code allowing a missed FG to be ran back instead of treated as a miss, in which case, big deal, it’s a rare, non-essential element. Or, they spent time working on this 'back of the box bullet point' instead of something way more significant like blocking/O-line AI.

# 48 BezO @ 05/07/08 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	In my view there's a difference between in-game tv style replays/stat overlays and the user controlled replays/stats that we've traditionally had to pause the game to see. The former can be considered a part of presentation (if we accept that term to mean "recreating the feel of a tv broadcast"), while the latter is more properly considered a part of the overall user interface.

Properly? OK.

When I watch a game on tv, a play happens, and if it's interesting, they show a replay. IMO, that replay is presentation. So when EA shows replays after the play, I consider it presentation.

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	The replays and stats on the playcalling screen will be of the more traditional "pause screen" variety, EA is just implementing a short cut.

I still believe replays & stats to be presentation elements, especially since EA is creating a way to see them without pausing the game.

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Originally Posted by coogrfan


	You are, of course, free to see things differently.

Thank you.

# 49 BezO @ 05/07/08 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Harlemal


	aint no use talkin to him. he been repeating the same sh!t. why r we talkin about gameplay when this thread about playcall changes. when we see the gameplay vid then we all make a decision on whats ritgh and whats wrong. but even still u wouldnt know until we play it. i understand everybody get upset because they want the best product and they should but sometimes yall take it overboard. either take it yo the 2k thread or make up one will yall can complain. THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT THE PLAY CALL SCREEN.

You too? 1st, I'm responding to posts responding to me. 2nd, I only mentioned gameplay in response to someone mentioning gameplay. I even said I don't know why we're going there. Lastly, I only mentioned 2K in response to someone mentioning 2K.

RIF

# 50 roadman @ 05/07/08 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yamabushi


	This just goes to my point, It was either a quick fix to a line of code allowing a missed FG to be ran back instead of treated as a miss, in which case, big deal, it�s a rare, non-essential element. Or, they spent time working on this 'back of the box bullet point' instead of something way more significant like blocking/O-line AI.

I'll be the optimist and say it's a feature in the NFL and now, finally, in the game, even though it maybe a small element in some peoples eyes.

As far as blocking/O-line A.I. too early to determine in my opinion. As one of the producers said about the 4 minute video, not everything is included in the video or bugs not worked out, yet.

# 51 BezO @ 05/07/08 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	There wasn't any spin put on your diatribe at all. I'm simply posting my honest opinions, as you are doing... right?

Calling my opinions a rant is also a spin.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Again, all this from 4 minutes of pre-release video.

Honestly, I don't know what vid you're referring to. I'm talking about the Play Call Changes blog. I only saw text & pics. If there was a vid, I missed it.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	It will not be 2k football. Just like you felt last year, you should probably just stick with 2k football if that is what you are looking for.

Harlemal, are you paying attention? I'm guessing it was Pared who brought up 2K the 1st time, triggering my response. To the both of you, I haven't played 2K football since 2004/5, not counting testing out 2K8 on a store kiosk... and not buying it. This is beyond spin. This is irrelevant & inaccurate. I just told you that I could care less about 2K football. But I think at least some of your argument is based on assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Ugh. You're going in circles now.

You'll have to explain. Or not.

# 52 yamabushi @ 05/07/08 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I'll be the optimist and say it's a feature in the NFL and now, finally, in the game, even though it maybe a small element in some peoples eyes. As far as blocking/O-line A.I. too early to determine in my opinion. As one of the producers said about the 4 minute video, not everything is included in the video or bugs not worked out, yet.

Ill agree to the extent that Id rather see and hear about even the most tenuously gameplay connected feature then how pretty the play calling screen looks.

# 53 Pared @ 05/07/08 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BezO


	...

Sorry, I'm not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. You can do that with someone else. I'm not going to quote every single line you post and respond to feed your ridiculous claims and your obvious (at this point) agenda. It's quite obvious to anyone if they look at your post history where you make claims how you've only purchased one Madden game in the past 5 years and don't plan on purchasing any others. Also, it's pretty amazing you can make so many conclusions considering you "only play at a friends house or a store kiosk since you don't rent games on principle."

You have a lot of posts in the Madden forum considering you don't play the game much as you like to claim. That's a lot of time and energy spent knocking a game, again, that you don't play.

Others can continue to give you the attention you demand; I won't have any part of it anymore.

Enjoy.

# 54 K_GUN @ 05/07/08 05:42 PM

pwned!

# 55 BezO @ 05/07/08 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Sorry, I'm not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.

Good. Niether am I. But I don't know where that came from.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	and your obvious (at this point) agenda.

My agenda is to express my opinons on video games. Any assumptions you make beyond that are on you.

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Originally Posted by Pared


	It's quite obvious to anyone if they look at your post history where you make claims how you've only purchased one Madden game in the past 5 years and don't plan on purchasing any others. Also, it's pretty amazing you can make so many conclusions considering you "only play at a friends house or a store kiosk since you don't rent games on principle."

Your point? Does the game play differently on other TVs & kiosks?

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Originally Posted by Pared


	You have a lot of posts in the Madden forum considering you don't play the game much as you like to claim. That's a lot of time and energy spent knocking a game, again, that you don't play.

Make up your mind. Either I don't play or I play at friend's houses.

And you sure put a lot of work in to say nothing.

# 56 ewto16 @ 05/07/08 05:48 PM

ESPN News updates are a joke. In general, if I'm playing a game, I don't wnat updates and info on the real world. I want a ticker that shows info about my season on the game. Also, those updates weren't even live.

ESPN's Primetime show went away because NBC (not NFL) got the Sunday night game. As part of that package, they got the rights to the first highlight show after the games were over. ESPN lost the rights to do Primetime at that time slot. You will notice it is on at different times now.

I have no doubt that the NFL would like the NFL network to have a large presense in Madden. If using Marshall Faulk to tell me that the score of every game I play is going to be close and probably 20-23 is your idea of integration, then I feel very sorry for you.

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	streaming espnews updates u ain't gonna see ESPN overlays....and b4 u drop an F-bomb on EA try to remember that the NFL calls the shots on a lot of stuff these days when it comes to their product and hows its used.......i.e. notice how ESPN's primetime show just disappeared one year...poor ratings?...nope....the NFL wanted their show on their network to be the ones to go over game highlights (i think its called gameday) the NFL wants THEIR network (and new team) to get the exposure, what better way to do that than use the #1 selling (and only) NFL game on the market? still don't believe me? anybody notice in Head Coach 09 that MEL KIPER has been replaced with ADAM SCHEFTER....of the NFL network

# 57 BezO @ 05/07/08 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	pwned!

I've only purchased 1 Madden in the past 5 years. Thus, I only play at friend's houses. And as the game looks so far, I don't see me buying this year's version. Yeah, pwned.

# 58 Harlemal @ 05/07/08 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Sorry, I'm not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. You can do that with someone else. I'm not going to quote every single line you post and respond to feed your ridiculous claims and your obvious (at this point) agenda. It's quite obvious to anyone if they look at your post history where you make claims how you've only purchased one Madden game in the past 5 years and don't plan on purchasing any others. Also, it's pretty amazing you can make so many conclusions considering you "only play at a friends house or a store kiosk since you don't rent games on principle." You have a lot of posts in the Madden forum considering you don't play the game much as you like to claim. That's a lot of time and energy spent knocking a game, again, that you don't play. Others can continue to give you the attention you demand; I won't have any part of it anymore. Enjoy.

dam u aint have to do him like dat

# 59 ifiok25 @ 05/07/08 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	streaming espnews updates u ain't gonna see ESPN overlays....and b4 u drop an F-bomb on EA try to remember that the NFL calls the shots on a lot of stuff these days when it comes to their product and hows its used.......i.e. notice how ESPN's primetime show just disappeared one year...poor ratings?...nope....the NFL wanted their show on their network to be the ones to go over game highlights (i think its called gameday) the NFL wants THEIR network (and new team) to get the exposure, what better way to do that than use the #1 selling (and only) NFL game on the market? still don't believe me? anybody notice in Head Coach 09 that MEL KIPER has been replaced with ADAM SCHEFTER....of the NFL network

I agree with you though. They should have never gotten the ESPN license for Madden at least in the first place. The NFL has to use it's own people/graphics or some that somewhat resemble the network. Why else did they scrap the bar across the bottom/top of the screen as a scoreboard? As long as we have stat tracks after each play ala NFL on CBS then I'll be pretty happy.

Also, I actually like NFL Gameday better than the new NFL Primetime w/out Berman and Jackson until the playoffs. NFLN's highlights were much more in depth, than the ones on ESPN.

# 60 K_GUN @ 05/07/08 09:08 PM

1. whether it's seen as a joke or not is NOT the issue.......the ESPN license IS being used

2. good point.....NBC would naturally take the highlight show

3. take you pity elsewhere.....I'm just trying to tell you that EA can't get the blame on the ESPN license not getting used the way it's been used in other games

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Originally Posted by ewto16


	ESPN News updates are a joke. In general, if I'm playing a game, I don't wnat updates and info on the real world. I want a ticker that shows info about my season on the game. Also, those updates weren't even live. ESPN's Primetime show went away because NBC (not NFL) got the Sunday night game. As part of that package, they got the rights to the first highlight show after the games were over. ESPN lost the rights to do Primetime at that time slot. You will notice it is on at different times now. I have no doubt that the NFL would like the NFL network to have a large presense in Madden. If using Marshall Faulk to tell me that the score of every game I play is going to be close and probably 20-23 is your idea of integration, then I feel very sorry for you.

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