Hulk Hogan Has Been Fired From the WWE and Will Not Appear in WWE 2K16

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

Yes any job where the ability to drive is required would be terminated. Now i disagree IF Hogan were still in his Prime in 2015, He would not Lose his Job. It would be like WWE firing John Cena. He is the closest to what Hogan was in his Prime. I think Hogan would Lose the Belt and have an "INJURY" angle play out for 6 months or so. The Firing is because Yes Hogan still brings in some $$ thru merchandise, But he doesnt bring in enough to Justify keeping him around with all the Negative Publicity. Lets be honest IF Hogan had another title Run in him, he would have been Suspended.

What does that have to do with anything in the first place? What is your overall point here? You keep saying you felt Hogan should have been fired for this and yet you're still arguing and making a stink over......I have no clue. What's the point? Who cares what would or wouldn't happen if Hogan was an active wrestler, he isn't, so it's irrelevant. WWE backed Chris Benoit before all the details came out surrounding his death and they got absolutely massacred for "celebrating a murderer" they got out in front of the Hogan issue and fired him. Maybe that's the big difference here. Doesn't really matter, Hogan got what he deserved and has nobody to blame but himself.

[vtcrb]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

What does that have to do with anything in the first place? What is your overall point here? You keep saying you felt Hogan should have been fired for this and yet you're still arguing and making a stink over......I have no clue. What's the point? Who cares what would or wouldn't happen if Hogan was an active wrestler, he isn't, so it's irrelevant. WWE backed Chris Benoit before all the details came out surrounding his death and they got absolutely massacred for "celebrating a murderer" they got out in front of the Hogan issue and fired him. Maybe that's the big difference here. Doesn't really matter, Hogan got what he deserved and has nobody to blame but himself.

Really? It is funny how on OS nowadays, it is not allowed to express your Opinion Or Viewpoints, IF others dont agree. Others get scared to respond but I am not one of those people.

I hadn't QUOTED anyone Until people started responding to me. Anyone who reads thru the thread, can see how my comments came about. If you dont agree with them, i dont care. I stand behind all of my comments.

If you think their is NO difference in Relevance between when things Happen and when they are revealed, then you agree with Me.

If you think the timing of when Information is released is More important, then you Disagree with me.

It is as simple as that. I thought OS was a place to get on a thread and discuss matters and have healthy debates back and forth.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

How is hearing about it 9 years ago ANY different than hearing about it last week? It would have been more acceptable 9 years ago? See that is what i dont get about all of the Back and forth on this thread. It seems like some are MORE acceptable if they "Heard" about it years ago, Instead of when it Actually Happened. What I am saying is If you can Accept it Happening 9 years ago Or 11 Years Ago(Stone Cold), why cant you accept it today? I have the SAME views I had 9 or 11 Years ago as I have today.

Its different because 9 yrs wouldve passed and he wouldve faced punishment for it 9 yrs ago. Hogan wouldve had 9 yrs of consequences from his statement.

Stone Cold faced his punishment. It was a light one but he plead out, did his probation and his community service. Since then he hasnt had an issue in 11 years.

Also, if you think that how people look at domestic violence hasnt changed, I dont know what else to say.

4 yrs go, Erik Walden of the Packers was convicted of DV and was suspended by the NFL for 1 game. Branden Underwood was convicted and served 2 games. Seattle's Leroy Hill didnt even get suspended after a conviction.

That all changed after the Rice tape. It went from people being OK with 2-4 games to wanting people fired for domestic violence arrests. Ive never seen it differently but most people do.

Thats why 11 yrs ago matters. In 2004, no one batted an eye when they heard that Stone Cold beat his wife. They let the justice system run its course and there were no calls from fans that he should be suspended much less fired.

Now, the punishment for DV is seen different and WWE has a zero tolerance policy that means youre fired if you get convicted. Its a different time.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

Really? It is funny how on OS nowadays, it is not allowed to express your Opinion Or Viewpoints, IF others dont agree. Others get scared to respond but I am not one of those people. I hadn't QUOTED anyone Until people started responding to me. Anyone who reads thru the thread, can see how my comments came about. If you dont agree with them, i dont care. I stand behind all of my comments. If you think their is NO difference in Relevance between when things Happen and when they are revealed, then you agree with Me. If you think the timing of when Information is released is More important, then you Disagree with me. It is as simple as that. I thought OS was a place to get on a thread and discuss matters and have healthy debates back and forth.

Dont get defensive. He was just asking a question that I had too. I had no idea what your point was until I read the above (bolded).

Now I think your point is short sighted and wrong but no one is stopping you from making it.

[vtcrb]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Dont get defensive. He was just asking a question that I had too. I had no idea what your point was until I read the above (bolded). Now I think your point is short sighted and wrong but no one is stopping you from making it.

Wow, sorry you had No idea what i was saying, next time i will make an opening statement. Hahaha. Lawyer reference. LOL

You are entitled to your opinion on my opinion. LOL

I just dont change my views on thing depending on the Year information is released. It would be like me saying, "Well Charles Manson committed his crimes so many years ago, it isnt as relevant now". For me, doing something wrong has no time frame on when the Info is released.

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[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

Wow, sorry you had No idea what i was saying, next time i will make an opening statement. Hahaha. Lawyer reference. LOL You are entitled to your opinion on my opinion. LOL I just dont change my views on thing depending on the Year information is released. It would be like me saying, "Well Charles Manson committed his crimes so many years ago, it isnt as relevant now". For me, doing something wrong has no time frame on when the Info is released. .

It's really not a matter of someone changing their views on this though. You're talking about your personal views on a matter which is great, WWE is a business though, they're going to operate by standards different than yours and mine and that's basically how I'm looking at this. You're basically calling for them to go back here now in 2015 and punish Austin for something he did back in 2004 even though they have no real legit reason to do so. That'd be like the NBA/Lakers going back tomorrow and punishing Kobe for Colorado because Ryan Kelly got busted going on a racist tirade tonight and they want to punish him. If they didn't do anything to Austin when they were made aware of his actions back when it happened, then they can't come back a decade later looking to dish out a punishment for it without any sort of provocation for that action. Now if Austin punched a girlfriend in the face two weeks ago, with his history that's grounds for immediate dismissal. But that hasn't happened, he's kept his nose clean and more importantly, kept his hands to himself.

A lot has happened in the world since 2004 when Austin did what he did. Chris Benoit happened putting everything the company does or doesn't do with respect to the behavior of their performers under a much bigger microscope. Linda's political career and WWE's turn to clean up their image has certainly affected how they react to things like this and certainly the fact that Vince has stockholders to answer to now and sponsors as well. There's a demo of minority viewers that doing nothing to Hogan wouldn't sit well with. Plus, I would imagine that there's probably a little anger there that Hogan allowed this to blindside Vince and leave him with little choice in how to handle it. He knew what was on that tape, he knew what he said. He could have told Vince about it a long time ago, they could quietly part ways and let Hogan deal with this thing and eventually be brought back once things kind of died down, but instead he put the company in a tough spot.

[Smooth Pancakes]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Its different because 9 yrs wouldve passed and he wouldve faced punishment for it 9 yrs ago. Hogan wouldve had 9 yrs of consequences from his statement. Stone Cold faced his punishment. It was a light one but he plead out, did his probation and his community service. Since then he hasnt had an issue in 11 years. Also, if you think that how people look at domestic violence hasnt changed, I dont know what else to say. 4 yrs go, Erik Walden of the Packers was convicted of DV and was suspended by the NFL for 1 game. Branden Underwood was convicted and served 2 games. Seattle's Leroy Hill didnt even get suspended after a conviction. That all changed after the Rice tape. It went from people being OK with 2-4 games to wanting people fired for domestic violence arrests. Ive never seen it differently but most people do. Thats why 11 yrs ago matters. In 2004, no one batted an eye when they heard that Stone Cold beat his wife. They let the justice system run its course and there were no calls from fans that he should be suspended much less fired. Now, the punishment for DV is seen different and WWE has a zero tolerance policy that means youre fired if you get convicted. Its a different time.

That's the big thing for me. Stone Cold owned up to what he did and faced the justice system like a man, he did his time in probation after pleading out and kept clean since.

Regardless of what some want to think, yes, time does change things. Back in 2004, nobody blinked an eye at domestic violence, as you showed with the NFL examples. Domestic violence didn't get thrown into the public light and become an instant fire crime until the Rice video surfaced and now almost every company on Earth is zero tolerance with domestic violence.

Was WWE wrong to not at least suspend Stone Cold back in 2004? Yes, but he did his time and has moved on. To punish him now by firing him for it would be the same as any company going and firing someone with a DV conviction on their record from 1985 just because DV is a zero tolerance crime now. They faced the legal music already and the fans have chosen to either forgive Stone Cold or just ignore his past crime over these past 11 years.

Hogan is different. Again, despite what some want to believe, just because the tape was recorded and the comments said in 2006 has absolutely zero meaning. They could have been said in 1960 for all anyone cares, but they came into the public light now, in 2015, when comments like those are a career death penalty. Hell, just look at Paula Dean. She admitted to using the word back in 1986 (and was accused of using it still as recently as 2007) and was instantly kicked to the curb by Food Network and her sponsors just for simply admitting she had used it in the past. Hogan is on tape actually SAYING it, repeatedly, and worse.

Aholbert also makes the point that if this had come out back in 2006 and Hogan had just admitted to it, told story, admitted to being in a bad place when he said it, things might be different now, 9 years later. Instead he and his lawyers went full all out to try and HIDE that entire conversation and keep what he said from ever coming to light with his $100 million lawsuit. He didn't just admit to it and own up to it (like Stone Cold did with his DV), he tried his damnedest to hide it and sweep it under the rug and never let the public find out about it by filing $100 million lawsuits and trying to get the courts to seal it up.

That also separates Stone Cold (faced the music for what he did back at the time it happened) and Hogan (tried to intentionally hide the tape and keep what he said from ever coming to light for over 9 years via lawyers and lawsuits rather than facing the music himself back in 2006) in regards to this whole debate.

[BMDinTDOT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sgt_Carnage

Except you're still glossing over the fact the man said "I Am a racist." And miss me with the well his black friends bs. That's like Sean Hannity finding that one black person to rant about Obama.

No I'm not glossing over that he said "I'm a racist" I've addressed it
2 or 3 times now.

You're the one not acknowledging the possibility of Hogan saying
it from raw emotion and just talking straight $hit to somebody.

Unless you're some strict Bible thumper or high level church boy
you personally or someone you know has gone on a hateful tirade
on either people from another race, religion, women, gays, friends,
family members, teammates if you play sports etc. etc. and they
didn't mean it.

The truth is some people actually mean those things when they say it
and some people don't.

Somebody brought up Donald Sterling...

Difference between Sterling and Hogan is EVERYBODY knew Sterling was
racist for years before that incident. Dude has a long history of incidents
that are well documented before what happened last year.

And you didn't hear one person defend Sterling