Madden NFL 17 Patch #9 Available Now, Full Details Here

[jvalverde88]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Yeah, you could be right too, it looked like on the replay shown 3 different times that his knee hit the ground on the one and he extended the ball over the goal line. It was nice to see the extension of the ball. The challenge system needs an overhaul.

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

That's an understatement, it feels like nothing but a coin flip at this point.

AI hardly uses its challenges, the officials always reviews it for them.

[gman2774]

Quote: Originally Posted by JoshC1977

And for doubters out there...these two statements are directly related. If you just do 'push button passing', you're going to have issues with it being too easy to pass. If you use all the passing mechanics, it is MUCH more realistic.

Seems counter intuitive to me. I wish Madden designed push button passing to be more inaccurate thus encouraging you to use the passing mechanics for better accuracy.

[Jarodd21]

Quote: Originally Posted by gcoons22

Seems counter intuitive to me. I wish Madden designed push button passing to be more inaccurate thus encouraging you to use the passing mechanics for better accuracy.

That's pretty much how it was before that October patch. If you played with the accuracy at a low enough number you would have to use the left stick in order to place accurate passes. I use to get so many complaints with my sliders from people about passing sailing everywhere on them from guys who didn't use the left stick. I had to let them know to they had to use the left stick with my sliders or raise the accuracy slider to a certain number if they didn't like to use the left stick. Now it doesn't even matter much.

[Charvalos]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarodd21

That's pretty much how it was before that October patch. If you played with the accuracy at a low enough number you would have to use the left stick in order to place accurate passes. I use to get so many complaints with my sliders from people about passing sailing everywhere on them from guys who didn't use the left stick. I had to let them know to they had to use the left stick with my sliders or raise the accuracy slider to a certain number if they didn't like to use the left stick. Now it doesn't even matter much.

I agree. Now, you just have to touch the right button with the right pass mechanic (touch, bullet, ...) and 99% of the time, it's right on target.

[DeuceDouglas]

Quote: Originally Posted by jvalverde88

AI hardly uses its challenges, the officials always reviews it for them.

This is pretty much true to life now though. With all scoring and turnover plays being subject to official review it takes a ton of potential challenge opportunities away. The other most common chances, ball spots and boundary catches, hardly ever come up. But I'm in full agreement that it still needs an overhaul. Watching plays like this stand:

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and plays like this not even be reviewed:

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is definitely a huge problem.

[DeuceDouglas]

Quote: Originally Posted by gcoons22

Seems counter intuitive to me. I wish Madden designed push button passing to be more inaccurate thus encouraging you to use the passing mechanics for better accuracy.

I agree with this but it makes sense for what they're aiming for. The casual person isn't likely going to be adept to using the left stick or all the button modifiers to place every pass where it needs to be placed. They're more likely to just snap and tap with out much concern for velocity or placement so it makes sense from their perspective to make that way the easiest to keep things "fun."

[mtmetcalfe]

Quote: Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas

I agree with this but it makes sense for what they're aiming for. The casual person isn't likely going to be adept to using the left stick or all the button modifiers to place every pass where it needs to be placed. They're more likely to just snap and tap with out much concern for velocity or placement so it makes sense from their perspective to make that way the easiest to keep things "fun."

Then why have these mechanics at all?

[DeuceDouglas]

Quote: Originally Posted by mtmetcalfe

Then why have these mechanics at all?

To provide additional and advanced user control. It's just like the ball-carrier or receiver mechanics. Most casuals probably don't use much more than the basic moves if they're using them at all but there is another level of moves for the "advanced user." A lot of it has to do with how vital user control is to the tourney scene as well.