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[Ghost Of The Year]

The disconnect lies in trying to marry catcher block attribute rating to real world MLB numbers of wild pitches, a minor fault on SDS' part. Just because Salvador Perez is given a 72 rating doesn't necessarily mean he is bad at blocking, that really is more of an indictment on the KC pitching staff's control. Looking solely at wild pitch numbers we cannot adequately judge a catcher's blocking ability, because like Cavicchi stated, wild pitches aren't only thrown in the dirt. Some are thrown behind the batter (less common) or over the catcher's head (more common). We need to look elsewhere stat wise to see if a particular catcher (be it Perez or Buster Posey or even Geno Petralli lol) blocks well. Just because a catcher doesn't see a lot of wild pitches doesn't necessarily make him good at blocking. Again, that says more about the pitching staff ability.

TLDR- need better stat than wild pitches to determine catcher block attribute rating IMO

[Denzel Washington]

Really wish pitch framing would be added as a stat

[p00p1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year

The disconnect lies in trying to marry catcher block attribute rating to real world MLB numbers of wild pitches, a minor fault on SDS' part. Just because Salvador Perez is given a 72 rating doesn't necessarily mean he is bad at blocking, that really is more of an indictment on the KC pitching staff's control. Looking solely at wild pitch numbers we cannot adequately judge a catcher's blocking ability, because like Calvichii (sic) stated, wild pitches aren't only thrown in the dirt. Some are thrown behind the batter (less common)or over the catcher's head (more common). We need to look elsewhere stat wise to see if a particular catcher (be it Perez or Buster Posey or Geno Petralli lol) blocks well. Just because a catcher doesn't see a lot of wild pitches doesn't necessarily make him good at blocking. Again, that says more about the pitching staff ability. __________________________________TLDR- need better stat than wild pitches to determine catcher block attribute rating IMO

There is a stat for it, I pointed it out a few days ago and he wanted to keep arguing that he doesn't believe in wild pitch stats and wants to judge based on Gold Gloves (even though they are in different leagues).

Fangraphs has RPP – The number of runs above / below average a catcher is at blocking pitches.

Since 2010:
Posey is #8 with 9.3 in 4858.0 innings.
Perez is #27 with 3.5 in 4548.2 innings.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=16,d

[mlb61]

Quote: Originally Posted by underdog13

Well yeah considering he [Jon Lester] had the 21st best era in the majors. Around 18th seems about right...

Not really. NL & AL ERAs are not equivalent.

[Cavicchi]

Quote: Originally Posted by tessl

The blocking attribute in the game MLB the Show is for blocking pitches in the dirt. Do you comprehend that? If you have an issue with his attributes just edit them to whatever you want. I've attempted to explain why his blocking is what it is. That's the best explanation I can give. If you still don't understand then I can't help you.

Yes, and do you understand that wild pitch data from fangraphs includes all kinds of wild pitches? The scorer, and that's where they get it from, does not differentiate wild pitches, whether over batter's head or behind batter's back. A wild pitch is a wild pitch.

Where are "they" The Show, since you know so much, getting that pitch in the dirt data from?

Have you read the article I included? What do you suppose he is talking about when he presents the graphs and concludes Perez is the premier pitch blocking catcher in the game?

What is different about the article assessing pitch blocking and what you or The Show uses?

Whatever you find in stats from 2015 has nothing to do with Perez and his blocking rating in 2013, 2014, or 2015.

Now, what is it in the link that is different, doing wrong, or whatever--for blocking pitches? By the way, I don't see Posey's name among the leaders for Blocking.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...s-molina-perez

[Cavicchi]

Quote: Originally Posted by p00p1

There is a stat for it, I pointed it out a few days ago and he wanted to keep arguing that he doesn't believe in wild pitch stats and wants to judge based on Gold Gloves (even though they are in different leagues). Fangraphs has RPP – The number of runs above / below average a catcher is at blocking pitches. Since 2010: Posey is #8 with 9.3 in 4858.0 innings. Perez is #27 with 3.5 in 4548.2 innings. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=16,d

I guess you never read that article and what the author said about RPP--and the link he provided to Bill James article. By the way, 2015 should not be included.

"Brief conclusion: be wary of Perez's "low" (still 4th in the AL) RPP — he is a premier, if not the premier pitch blocking catcher in the game today,"

By the way, I don't see Posey's name among the leaders.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...s-molina-perez

[p00p1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cavicchi

Yes, and do you understand that wild pitch data from fangraphs includes all kinds of wild pitches? The scorer, and that's where they get it from, does not differentiate wild pitches, whether over batter's head or behind batter's back. A wild pitch is a wild pitch. Where are "they" The Show, since you know so much, getting that pitch in the dirt data from? Have you read the article I included? What do you suppose he is talking about when he presents the graphs and concludes Perez is the premier pitch blocking catcher in the game? What is different about the article assessing pitch blocking and what you or The Show uses? Whatever you find in stats from 2015 has nothing to do with Perez and his blocking rating in 2013, 2014, or 2015. Now, what is it in the link that is different, doing wrong, or whatever--for blocking pitches? By the way, I don't see Posey's name among the leaders for Blocking. http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...s-molina-perez

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/def...tcher-defense/
They don't use scorers info, they use pitch f/x to determine balls that a catcher has an opportunity to block...

[Cavicchi]

Quote: Originally Posted by p00p1

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/def...tcher-defense/ They don't use scorers info, they use pitch f/x to determine balls that a catcher has an opportunity to block...

2013 CPP and RPP: Posey CPP 41 RPP 2.5

2013 CPP and RPP Perez CPP 56 RPP 2.6

2014 CPP and RPP: Posey CPP 36 RPP 0.8

2014 CPP and RPP: Perez CPP 72 RPP 2.3

Without question, Perez has better CPP and RPP for 2013 and 2014. 2015 is not rated.

I don't know why you would even consider 2010 when Perez was not even in the majors then. As for 2011, Perez played just 39 games at catcher as a rookie. 2013 and 2014 should be satisfactory.

Posey gets an 86 for blocking and Perez a 70.

Furthermore, in that link I posted showing RPP leaders, Posey was not among them. You know why? Because for 2013 Posey's RPP was 0.8