MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

[underdog13]

Quote: Originally Posted by Madden's Jowels

It's kind of like batting average: it's always gonna be on the back of the baseball card, but there are much more useful stats to actually gauge player performance.

Sure but considering i can't find era+ leaderboards outside the top 10. And that Baseball Reference gives Jon Lester a 3.1war, espn a 2.9war and Fangraphs a 5.0 war im not sure what to believe. Era got the job done proving his rating is deserved.

A bunch of stat hipsters in this thread.

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[Madden's Jowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by underdog13

Sure but considering i can't find era+ leaderboards outside the top 10. And that Baseball Reference gives Jon Lester a 3.1war, espn a 2.9war and Fangraphs a 5.0 war im not sure what to believe. Era got the job done proving his rating is deserved. A bunch of stat hipsters in this thread. Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

How about FIP? What was the pitcher in question again? Lol. I wasn't really trying to get into a debate about a pitcher, just commenting on the usefulness of ERA.

[Denzel Washington]

Quote: Originally Posted by underdog13

Yep because apparently ERA isn't a valid stat anymore? Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

Nope. SIERA, XFIP and FIP are all better when you want to look at how effective a pitcher is

[Denzel Washington]

Quote: Originally Posted by underdog13

Sure but considering i can't find era+ leaderboards outside the top 10. And that Baseball Reference gives Jon Lester a 3.1war, espn a 2.9war and Fangraphs a 5.0 war im not sure what to believe. Era got the job done proving his rating is deserved. A bunch of stat hipsters in this thread. Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

Using stats that are more representative of a player's production doesn't make you a hipster.

Lester has been a top 15 pitcher for the last 2 seasons

[underdog13]

Quote: Originally Posted by Denzel Washington

Nope. SIERA, XFIP and FIP are all better when you want to look at how effective a pitcher is

Ok I finally found a leaderboard for the whole league for these on fangraphs. Apparently fangraphs has a much easier way to find these then on baseball ref. So i know what fip is but what is different about XFIP?

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[MrOldboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by underdog13

Ok I finally found a leaderboard for the whole league for these on fangraphs. Apparently fangraphs has a much easier way to find these then on baseball ref. So i know what fip is but what is different about XFIP? Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

The main difference, only difference I believe, is that home runs are regressed to an expected number based on league average flyball to home runs %.

I've heard some people don't like using statistical regression like that since you can make the argument that some pitchers give up hard hit balls so they would have a higher flyball to HR ratio. Same with ground balls. Maybe a sinkerballer has a higher GB% rate, but they may also be giving up harder hit ground balls resulting in more hits.

[Denzel Washington]

Quote: Originally Posted by underdog13

Ok I finally found a leaderboard for the whole league for these on fangraphs. Apparently fangraphs has a much easier way to find these then on baseball ref. So i know what fip is but what is different about XFIP? Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/pitching/xfip/

[seanjeezy]

So I'm guessing Kyle is the #9 3B then lol