NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top Rated Point Guards (UPDATED)

[Hopsin]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Rofl, Rose did not pass the eye test, he was jacking up shots instead of getting Gasol/Butler involved half the time. His basketball IQ is terrible. All the numbers do is back that up.

Are you serious? The pick and pop with Gasol was crazy effective last year. Him and Butler also played great together. Sure he took some Ill advised shots but that's what that horrible offense called for him to do.

Anyways I'm done here idc. Reply back if you want to, but these arguments on OS are pointless.

[Kese86]

Quote: Originally Posted by MGSW

I completely disagree. 1. He can't even guard his own position never mind multiple. He's a horrible defender. His athleticism and quick hands hides how terrible he truly is. He's worse than Harden. He's constantly caught out of position and he always reaches too much. Gambling all the time. The difference between him and Conley defensively is night and day. 2. He can't run an offense like Conley can. Not even close. He doesn't have the same fundamentals or vision. 3. He can't shoot. At all. He's a terrible shot. 4. He's an awful decision maker. Literally the worst out of all starting point guards. 5. He's horribly inefficient. Conley isn't. 6. His usage rate was historically massive. So all those triple doubles... meh. 7. The only thing Westbrook has over Conley is athleticism and rebounding. That's it. I don't dislike the guy. I dislike people overrating him. He's not a top 3 point guard. He's barely top 5.

The team and type of offense you're running can factor into usage rate so throw that out the window especially when KD was out. Conley has 2 bigs that deserve touches on the block and their offensive system is drastically different compared to OKC. I'll give you that he can be inefficient at times but that's a result of the team around him much like Iverson. Nobody else can create easy shots for him. And defensively, any coach would tell you they would be much more comfortable with Westbrook guarding SGs and smaller SFs as compared to Conley. I love Conley's game but it's not hard to see he isn't better than Westbrook.

[J_Posse]

Sad to say, but the days of Derrick Rose - plus Tony Parker, Rajon Rondo and Deron Williams - being an elite PG are gone. He already looked like he lost some explosiveness prior to the meniscus tear and that injury only compounds his problems further. Now, we are just counting down the time before that knee begins to give him serious issues like Brandon Roy, Dwyane Wade, etc.

I thought to be more effective after the injury (ACL tear) he needed to go back to his nice in-between game (which he displayed plenty of earlier in his career) instead he became an inefficient jacker from three-point range.

It'll be interesting to see if any other wing player or big man is given the "benefit of the doubt" treatment afforded to Parker, Rose, Wade and Bryant thus far.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ

[javicd21]

Seriously where is Chalmers in the top 10? Maybe they made him the 99 that every other pg is measured up to...

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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

You consider talk about shooting efficiency rambling? That's kind of a head scratcher. Offensive efficiency is sort of central to any objective basketball analysis. I mean it's simply points on the board vs. possessions or shot attempts taken. Factor in freethrows if you want to get fancy. Essentially dude takes a lot of shots and misses a lot, while another player scores more with the same attempts. It's a lot simpler, objective, and less "rambling" than asserting that a player is better than another with vague hand waving, especially when the numbers don't show it. The "efficiency" stat for Curry is his shooting numbers and ratings. The efficiency for Curry's playmaking is in his passing rating. Curry is a better player/compliment to Durant than Westbrook because of his IQ, skills, and tendencies-- he needs less possessions and shots to score leaving more shots for KD which Curry will gladly manufacture. You're right that there's no rating for fit, but there are tendencies. Unfortunately tendencies don't affect ratings but it would certainly be interesting if tendencies towards or against a player's strength or weaknesses affected their OVRs (like someone who shoots in volume inefficiently). At any rate I was responding to the assertion that considering Curry as a better player than Westbrook doesn't factor in context if their positions were switched, when there's plenty of reason to believe Curry would fit Durant even better, (and Westbrook would be worse for GSW). No, that's not a 2K stat, but there are plenty of things Curry does that makes him so that are modeled by 2K.

First lets just get off this whole team swapping/Durant thing. It's impossible to know how either player would do in either situation, and at the end of the day has absolutely zero to do with 2k ratings lol.

And yes I do consider your inefficient spill over and over to be rambling and also greatly exaggerated.. Russ shot 43% on the year, Curry shot 48%. Do you realize how little of a difference that actually is? Let's say you and I played each other and we both took 20 shots. You shot the ball at Curry's percentage and I at Westbrook's.. You would only make one more shot than I would. That's really not anywhere NEAR the gap you're trying to make it out to be.

Curry is definitely a better shooter, and his eFG% is going to be higher since it accounts for the 3 point shot. He's a great 3 point shooter, Russ isn't, pretty explanatory.. However you bashing people for looking at a box score while you're claiming extreme inefficiency is laughable, considering per 20 shots Russ would only miss 1 more than Curry would.

And now the notion that Curry is the better passer.. Westbrook averaged more assists, which definitely that alone doesn't make him a better passer.. However not only did he average more assists, but his assists accounted for more points per game than Curry's did. Curry's passing accounted for a little more than 17 points per game while Westbrook's a little more than 19 per game.

Not only is that interesting but can you take a guess at who Westbrook's top assist target was? What about Curry's? One was the best spot up shooter in the league, the other was Enas Kanter. Steph also played on the best offense team in the league, the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Russ still assisted for more points per game, even with the bulk of Curry's assists counting for 3 points rather than 2. Also they both averaged 56.10 passes per game.. So tell me again which players passing was more efficient?

Also as already stated Curry played on the best offensive team in the league. Also the fasted paced team in the league which yields more opportunities for points, rebounds, assists, etc.. He also had "help" while Russ's was out with injuries.. As a result Curry had 44% of his shots assisted on, Russ only 23%. Meaning Russ carried the much larger burden of creating his own looks, which we can all agree is a tougher look than a teammate getting you open.. Which is the type of attention all those shooter's on GS constantly commanded. Actually 20% of Curry's shots were considered "wide open" with a defender 6+ feet away, only 9% of those shots were available to Westbrook. On shots outside of 10 feet Curry had 19% of his shots as "wide open" Russ had 7% of his wide open. 25% of Curry's looks were of the catch and shoot variety, while Russ only 6%..

You can see how much easier playing on a good team can effect your offensive efficiency. Despite that Curry averaged about .29 points per touch, Russ .31.. Also if you factor in their points generated by assists Russ was good for nearly 48 points per game. Curry 41 points per game. Considering GS averaged a league best 110ppg and OKC at 104, Curry was responsible for about 37% of his teams points, Russ 46% of his team points..

So which player was really the more efficient offensive guy? Especially considering what each had to work with.. It's a hell of a lot closer than you were making it out to be.

And like I said I'm fine with Curry being the top rated guard, hell he was the MVP this year and he's a 2k cover boy. I just know that on individual ratings Russ and CP3 should have him beat on lots of areas. Russ would have all the athletic categories, he's a better defender, quicker hands, likely his steals and blocks higher, rebounds higher, post offense higher, post defense higher, Curry would definitely have him beat on shooting stats and ball handling.. I just assume, with him being a 93, that shooting is a very very very high factor in determining overalls, or he's pretty overrated on lots of the other categories simply to make sure he's the top PG on the game from an overall standpoint.


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[iLLosophy]

Oj i agree with your post except for this part....

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

And yes I do consider your inefficient spill over and over to be rambling and also greatly exaggerated.. Russ shot 43% on the year, Curry shot 48%. Do you realize how little of a difference that actually is? Let's say you and I played each other and we both took 20 shots. You shot the ball at Curry's percentage and I at Westbrook's.. You would only make one more shot than I would. That's really not anywhere NEAR the gap you're trying to make it out to be. Curry is definitely a better shooter, and his eFG% is going to be higher since it accounts for the 3 point shot. He's a great 3 point shooter, Russ isn't, pretty explanatory.. However you bashing people for looking at a box score while you're claiming extreme inefficiency is laughable, considering per 20 shots Russ would only miss 1 more than Curry would.

You are contradicting yourself and downplaying eFG%. No one should even be using FG% anymore, especially in comparison to Curry. If we are playing 1-on-1 and you go 9/20 on two pointers and I go 9/20 shooting three's, I win the game. Why does it matter we shot the same FG%???

Anyway you should be using TS% as eFG% doesn't showcase Russ's FT numbers which he gets to the line twice as much as curry does....those points count too.

[ojandpizza]

I wasn't really trying to down play it. I was just saying everybody already knows how much better of a 3 point shooter Curry is. It's like if we were comparing DeRozan and Kawhi and someone said "well Kawhi is a better defender". Everyone already knows that, it's more of a unspoken fact that isn't worth even wasting time to dispute.

Still don't think FG% or eFG% are great options in determining your offensive efficiency. Which is why I posted that big *** post pinpointing the other differences.

Pointing at eFG% can be just as flawed. Like back when Duncan was winning MVPs and dominating the league shooting over 50%, if you said "Curry was more efficient his eFG% is higher" that's not something I could agree with. Just because Duncan couldn't raise his eFG% the way a great outside shooter can doesn't make his production less effective. For a more related reference, Russ could come out and have one of the best games out of anyone in the regular season without even taking a 3 point shot, Curry on the other hand needs that shot to be the player he is. It's definitely worth a glance, but their plays styles are just different and we already know Curry is the better shooter so I just didn't see a need to delve that deeply into it.





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[MGSW]

LMFAO.

Did someone just say Westbrook is a better defender than Curry? Hahahababahahanahanababahabahahahahahahahahaha wtf?

Come on man... this is just silly. Westbrook is a garbage defender. Well below average. He just covers up his ineptitude with fast hands and athleticism. Curry is only above average, but compared to Russ that's night and day.

Smh.

People need to watch more basketball.