NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

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Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

The League has changed due to the Lack of skill by alot of players these days. Look at all the Hype/Praise Jahlil Okafor has received coming into the League because he is an "Old School" Center with Post Skills.

Yet Okafor is far from a sure thing because he fails to do everything that the modern center is expected to do (namely, grab defensive rebounds and defend the rim). We have come a long way from Sam Bowie getting drafted over Michael Jordan.

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Now I do agree the League has changed, but I think it would change Back IF we had highly Skilled Post Players like we did in the Past.

We have highly skilled post players, they just aren't restricted to the center position. Even then it's crazy how people just dismiss the likes of Al Jefferson, Marc Gasol, Nikola Pekovic, Brook Lopez, etc like they don't exist. It's not like there was a long list of talented post players in the NBA back then either. As stated, the average starting center back then was a non-factor like Alton Lister or Felton Spencer. The shots that used to go to a player of Andrew Bogut's caliber are now going to a Klay Thompson or simply distributed evenly among the other offensive players.

Further, post players have to deals with ZONE DEFENSE nowadays that no throwback center ever had to (not to mention stricter officiating - one simply can't outmuscle and dislodge players like they were once allowed).

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Also remember all these "Touch" Fouls werent called back in the day, so FT attempts by the Bigmen would Sky Rocket in Today's NBA.

FT/FGA
2015: 20.5%
2005: 24.5%
1995: 24.5%
1985: 25.2%

Negative.

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Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

This irks me so frickin much you have no idea. These are the centers that Wilt was facing.

1963 Starting Centers (Right before NBA expanded lane, reducing Wilt's effectiveness)
Wilt Chamberlain: 7'1", 275 (31.8 PER)
Walt Bellamy: 6'11", 225
Bill Russell: 6'10", 215
Jim Krebs: 6'10", 230
Red Kerr: 6'9", 230
Zelmo Beaty, 6'9", 225
Paul Hogue: 6'9", 240
Wayne Embry: 6'8", 240
Bob Ferry: 6'8", 230

Yeah, all hail Wilt's comp, we got some world beaters up in here.

[8KB24]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

1963 Starting Centers (Right before NBA expanded lane, reducing Wilt's effectiveness) Wilt Chamberlain: 7'1", 275 (31.8 PER) Walt Bellamy: 6'11", 225 Bill Russell: 6'10", 215 Jim Krebs: 6'10", 230 Red Kerr: 6'9", 230 Zelmo Beaty, 6'9", 225 Paul Hogue: 6'9", 240 Wayne Embry: 6'8", 240 Bob Ferry: 6'8", 230 Yeah, all hail Wilt's comp, we got some world beaters up in here.

I don't see any 6'6 players there...which proved my point. Not Wilts fault he's most astounding physical specimen in history of the sport...well, Shaq has a case as well.

Also, what was other guys PER? Don't use PER on Wilt only.

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Quote: Originally Posted by vannwolfhawk

Sorry I unleashed the beast! Haha

There are ways to effectively engage me. You're fine.

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Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

I don't see any 6'6 players there...which proved my point.

I doubt you even know what your point is, beyond arguing for the sake of it.

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Also, what was other guys PER? Don't use PER on Wilt only.

Hint: Nowhere close to the highest recorded PER in NBA history.

[vtcrb]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Yet Okafor is far from a sure thing because he fails to do everything that the modern center is expected to do (namely, grab defensive rebounds and defend the rim). We have come a long way from Sam Bowie getting drafted over Michael Jordan. We have highly skilled post players, they just aren't restricted to the center position. Even then it's crazy how people just dismiss the likes of Al Jefferson, Marc Gasol, Nikola Pekovic, Brook Lopez, etc like they don't exist. It's not like there was a long list of talented post players in the NBA back then either. As stated, the average starting center back then was a non-factor like Alton Lister or Felton Spencer. The shots that used to go to a player of Andrew Bogut's caliber are now going to a Klay Thompson or simply distributed evenly among the other offensive players. Further, post players have to deals with ZONE DEFENSE nowadays that no throwback center ever had to (not to mention stricter officiating - one simply can't outmuscle and dislodge players like they were once allowed). FT/FGA 2015: 20.5% 2005: 24.5% 1995: 24.5% 1985: 25.2% Negative.

That you put Jefferson, Lopez, Bogut in the SAME conversation and use them as a Comparison with the All-Time Great Centers(Hakeem, Ewing, DRob, etc) shows me all i need to see about Your Basketball Knowledge.


Also guess their were no Great Shooters to take away Post touches( Reggie Miller, Steve Kerr, Mitch Richmond, Jerry West, Larry Bird, etc).

So Okafor Doesnt do what is Expected of Modern Day Centers? Hmm. I guess Defensive Rebounding and Protecting the Rim werent done by Earlier Centers. Great Point there. LOL

You Honestly dont think the Older HIGHER IQ players from the Past could Deal with ZONE Defenses. WOW.

You forget how Physical Low Post DEFENSE was back in the Day when these guys Dominated. Let them Operate without a Bill Laimbeer throwing Elbows in their backs and see what happens.

You just stay in Your STATS world and I will stay in the Real Basketball World. It is obvious you are NOT in touch with Old School Basketball.

Have a great day.

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Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

I'd like to see league-wide averages for centers in few stats such as PER (yes, PER), DBPM/OBPM/BPM, ws/48, TRB%, AST%, TOV%, BLK% and TS% from both 1995 and 2015

You have fun collecting all that.

Let me know when you find a backup who trumps Brandan Wright, Chris Kaman, Chris Andersen, etc.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

That you put Jefferson, Lopez, Bogut in the SAME conversation and use them as a Comparison with the All-Time Great Centers(Hakeem, Ewing, DRob, etc) shows me all i need to see about Your Basketball Knowledge. Also guess their were no Great Shooters to take away Post touches( Reggie Miller, Steve Kerr, Mitch Richmond, Jerry West, Larry Bird, etc). So Okafor Doesnt do what is Expected of Modern Day Centers? Hmm. I guess Defensive Rebounding and Protecting the Rim werent done by Earlier Centers. Great Point there. LOL You Honestly dont think the Older HIGHER IQ players from the Past could Deal with ZONE Defenses. WOW. You forget how Physical Low Post DEFENSE was back in the Day when these guys Dominated. Let them Operate without a Bill Laimbeer throwing Elbows in their backs and see what happens. You just stay in Your STATS world and I will stay in the Real Basketball World. It is obvious you are NOT in touch with Old School Basketball. Have a great day.

Come on now. You can't just simply do that. Would current big men struggle in the post if they time traveled back to that area? Probably. But I would say big men would struggle in current day basketball because the game has evolved and concepts and importance in skillset have changed so much. It's still nice to have a back to the basket player in today's game, but if that's all they can do (Okafor) then you are going to limit your ability.

Regarding great shooters, the number of quality shooters has increased due to the increased importance of the 3 point game. Were there elite 3 point shooters? Sure. But look at 3 point attempts per game by year: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...NBA_stats.html

There is definitely a much bigger focus on outside shooting which really can't be argued.


And don't go the Chuck route and completely ignore statistics. It's a huge part in understanding the game.

P.S.: You are doing rosters again, right? Love your roster sets!