NBA 2K16 Player Ratings & Screenshots - Day Five: Morrow, Johnson, Turner & More

[8KB24]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

1. Time. 2. This is a forum. 3. Why don't you include them? Let me know how far you get. 4. It's not necessary. Why not? You are comparing two players and I am comparing an entire league. Significant difference in application with regard to a standardized rating. Nitpicking which Gasol is better than the other is not the point - they are pretty clearly top players in the league relative to everyone else. It does nothing to disprove that centers are significantly more effective than they were 20 years ago. A ball park figure will suffice when comparing 400 player leagues, and PER is certainly that.

PER is flawed is my point. Wright, washed up Amar'e, Gobert, Ed Davis, Kanter, Ajinca, Drummond, Chandler etc are NOT better than Dikembe Mutombo.

I mean Tyler frickin Zeller has better PER than Dikembe did in '95...or '96 when he was one of the best defensive centers ever, if not the best.

[HowDareI]

Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

PER is flawed is my point. Wright, washed up Amar'e, Gobert, Ed Davis, Kanter, Ajinca, Drummond, Chandler etc are NOT better than Dikembe Mutombo. I mean Tyler frickin Zeller has better PER than Dikembe did in '95...or '96 when he was one of the best defensive centers ever, if not the best.

That's why I never get too deep into numbers..

Basketball is a team sport and certain players play better in certain systems. If I throw Zach Randolph on the Warriors..lol, how's that gonna work? But Andrew Bogut plays well in the system...doesn't make him better.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by HowDareI

That's why I never get too deep into numbers.. Basketball is a team sport and certain players play better in certain systems. If I throw Zach Randolph on the Warriors..lol, how's that gonna work? But Andrew Bogut plays well in the system...doesn't make him better.

Numbers are just as important as the eye test.

And Andrew Bogut is better than Zach Randolph...

[8KB24]

Quote: Originally Posted by HowDareI

That's why I never get too deep into numbers.. Basketball is a team sport and certain players play better in certain systems. If I throw Zach Randolph on the Warriors..lol, how's that gonna work? But Andrew Bogut plays well in the system...doesn't make him better.

Exactly. You could also argue that Fisher was a better player with Lakers than Nash, when healthy. Same could be said about so many other players.

Which is why I just laugh off when people use numbers and don't look at the big picture and how those numbers were achieved.

I mean, I truly do believe in analytics which is why I'm pumped about having Hibbert on the floor. Top rim protector and solid rebounder. Some might say weak rebounder but he consistently boxed-out players so that Lance, Hills, West, PG could grab uncontested rebounds. I mean, how can a team be good rebounding team if your 7'2 center is averaging 6-7 per game in 28 minutes? Right? Well, this is where context comes in play, this is where understanding how players achieve those numbers under which they are either glorified/crucified. Lakers actually have decent chance of being average defensive team because of Hibbert. I hope they copy Indy's pnr defense which funnels all action to the rim where you meet big boy roy...or you can take semi-contested long two. Pick your poison.

**i know roy's weak mentally

[SportsFanatic10]

Is it just me, or at this point do we know the least amount of player ratings ever so close to launch?

[DC]

Rashidi is the most arrogant snob in OS History.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

PER is flawed is my point. Wright, washed up Amar'e, Gobert, Ed Davis, Kanter, Ajinca, Drummond, Chandler etc are NOT better than Dikembe Mutombo. I mean Tyler frickin Zeller has better PER than Dikembe did in '95...or '96 when he was one of the best defensive centers ever, if not the best.

The fact that you are comparing Brandan Wright to Dikembe Mutombo and not the 30th best center of 1995 sums up what's wrong with your approach here.

[vannwolfhawk]

Sorry I unleashed the beast! Haha

Rashidi, you came with all this data and pulled out certain years to support your argument but I could do the same. You can't just go off numbers and as some said the eye test needs to come into play. What also comes into play is systems or teams they played on. Most guys in today's NBA would only be considered power forwards. You can't argue guys today lack post moves. Gone is the jump hook, up and under, post fadeaways, etc. it's almost all face up now or power drop steps.

If you compiled a list of the bottom 15-20 guys today with the 10-15 of let's say 87 or 88 which was what I originally commented about them maybe we could compare.

Kareem Abdul-jabaar
Akeem Olajuwon
Pat Ewing
Ralph Sampson
Mark Eaton
Bill Laimbeer
Kevin Willis
James Donaldson
Robert Parish
Bill Cartwright
Moses Malone
John Salley
Jack Sikma
Paul Mokeski
Brad Daugherty
Alvin Adams
James Edwards
Benoit Benjamin
Alton Listor
Clemson Johnson
Joe Barry Carroll
Sam Bowie
Kevin Duckworth
Artis Gimore
Frank brickowski
LaSalle Thompson
Joe Klein
Danny schayes
Blair Rasmussen
Kent benson
Bill Wennington
Manute Bol

The size alone back then compared to now was night and day although like I said earlier no doubt players are more athletic nowadays. But you can't tell me today's 15-20 centers (pf back in these days) are better than these guys. I'm not sure how old you are so maybe all you have to go off is numbers but I watched these guys play and their fundamentals, post moves, and defense are way ahead of today's players. Athleticism, no. Ability to guard perimeter, no. But strictly on the blocks and in the post not even an argument really.