04-06-2015, 04:58 PM
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Re: MLB 15 The Show OS Community Impressions
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Anyone who has played this game in the past or present, should relatively have the same impressions of gameplay. The gameplay is great, its been that way for years, and some tweaks here or there every year make the gameplay better year to year.
I hate to say it though, I'm a graphics homer, and presentation homer, and this game is several lacking. It is well behind the typical PS4 title graphically, and it is the least attractive looking game of the major sports titles released. Im not saying its an ugly game, or even saying it looks like a ps3 game, it just is nowhere near where it should and could be on the ps4, especially considering it is year 2.
There is a definite issue with whoever is in charge of the graphics. They have been using the same graphics for 7 years now. An example is here:

Same wall textures, same background textures that were used last gen. They upped the resolution, but these stadiums while some look better than others are all insufficient for the ps4. The environments are not updated for next gen, they are the ps3 environments at a higher resolution, which, in my opinion, only shows their flaws more.
In the pic above, you see the wall texture repeating, with the dirt on it. You see the tree branches on the palm not looking...well...right, its all sloppy. on ps2/ early ps3 we wouldn't even see this, but now on ps4, it just looks like garbage.
Im not trying to totally destroy them. For instance when I look at Citi Field in the game. From the standpoint of looking at the stadium as a whole, compared to a real life image of the stadium, to sit back and point out flaws (which I just did FWIW), to REALLY have issue with that is nitpicking. The issue is, when you look at the stadium as a whole, with the close ups, the textures all look awful.
Another example when I say stuff worked on the ps2 or 3 but cannot work now are images like this:

When playing the game, you obviously aren't going to sit and watch each screen and point out flaws like some that are in the above image. Example, the steps behind harvey. They are huge, the are not proportionate to the stadium. It isn't the angle of the pic either, steps in the stadium that fans aren't walking on, all look huge like this. On ps2, we couldn't care less, but when you are looking at Matt Harvey with sweat on his hat (like in the pic), immersion is lost when you see these ugly steps all over the stadium. Whats the point? Also, who cares how much the guy weighs. Certainly this info would be ok if issued behind or in front of other more relative stuff like stats, record vs the team you are playing, etc. Instead we get his height and weight in boring font that looks like they attached a word document to one of their graphics.
On the presentation side, we are yet again watching the same stuff. Some stuff is improved for the better: Off the top of my head I like the hubs for RTTS and Franchise, and post game for RTTS, etc. But outside of some various menu type changes, everything else is the same. Finish a RTTS game, you see the same loading screens, same basic font, like Helvetica used showing standing,etc. Same small team logos that are boxed in.
On ps2, that stuff worked, but with where we are at in the world today, I mean we are all using iPhones, where they are so graphically driven to captivate people, when I turn on this game, and I see how it delivers information to me while I'm playing, I am completely disappointed. It is 2015, its time to make stuff look new and fresh, and good.
Post game baseball card guy, post game people raking the stadium, post game guy with camera comes out, every person that guy interviews is always walking the same way making the same movements, its all the same. Some of this stuff we were seeing as far back as the ps2.
Even looking back to the screen I posted of the ugly spring training field, look at the new york and washington scores. I can make that in Microsoft paint. It is unacceptable for this game to be doing such basic things this far into development considering things like the stadiums are ports.
Again, gameplay is on point, it always is, but at the same time, I haven't found much in this game that is overwhelming compared to my experience with the show 14. Certainly there is a bunch of stuff improved, but after a week of playing, I'm no longer thinking about those things, I am thinking about how ugly some things in this game are, and how I wish there was better presentation.
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Very interesting post. Very interesting. The further I read into what you said, the more I found myself unfortunately having to agree. The thing that stood out to me the most ws the repeating dirt patterns on the wall, the massive pyramid like steps in Citi Field, and the boring typeface that is used to relay information to the player in the presentation menus.
This all makes me think of one of the videos the presentation and stadium streams the devs put out about a week or 2 before release. I forget which stadium it was for, but they had zoomed in waaaay far into one of the backdrop high rise buildings and continued to zoom all the way into one of the windows and showed how they added paintings on the wall. Something that no fan of this game would ever see and something that does not contribute in any way to the visual immersion for the player . I was actually annoyed by this and it's the kind of thing that is unacceptable to me as a buyer.
It's the equivalent of me mowing my front and back lawn, but leaving a very small patch of grass uncut and untouched in the corner of my backyard - no one will ever notice it but me, the person who cut it. Why not just do the whole entire lawn and make it all look good in case someone does notice it? Now granted, it probably barely took any resource for them to do that kind of thing, but when there's obvious visual discrepancies in plain sight that a handful of fans will see after a while of playing the game (probably more people than we realize), it makes you wonder how this kind of thing is acceptable in 2015.
Gameplay is literally perfect. Fielding took a huge leap this year. But presentation needs to change. It just has to. There needs to be some sort of integrated network. I'm not sure what kind of typeface they use, whether it be Helvetica or Baskerville or Caslon or whatever, but it just wears quickly on the eye for the most part. Repeat intro music, repeat post game angles etc. It seems like it's been more of the same for the past 6 years or so. I feel if they address these things, the game will be near flawless. Not bashing SDS, they are by far the best sports devs anywhere on the planet, but for someone who has been making the purchase since 2007 on PS2, it just doesn't work well anymore especially on PS4.
Last edited by Sco291; 04-06-2015 at 05:08 PM.
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