If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

[Slater James]

Quote: Originally Posted by blackceasar

I still disagree on the "amazing" thing. You see, when you look at the bigger picture and ALL people that buy video games (including sports titles), its really a very small sliver of us that are into sports video games enough to have these kinds of talks, debates, pick the game apart for what it really is (A major disappointment considering the resources they have, the time they had, and the sheer power that is the 800lb gorilla that is EA/EA Sports..and lets not forget the speech they gave for Elite 11). The reason why the game and franchise is still alive is because of the other 95% of purchasers out there that do NOT look at sports titles like we do. The 14 year olds who want Live becuase they know "Live" and Their favorite plays is on the box. The moms and dads buying "a basketball game for their kid"... Im just saying, people like us wether we love the game or hate the game are a drop in the bucket as far as revenue and sales go for Live or any EA sports title for that matter. There's nothing amazing about casual video game consumers keeping a franchise alive. They are keeping it alive and don't even realize they are doing so. So it's not even about the game being deemed "good" by people like us (if it ever gets there).. when EA does something with a game like Live or Madden than makes guys like US here HAPPY, it's usually not because of US (sometimes it is but not always)..it's more just coincidence. If they put out a great sports title that WE deem great, again, its more coincidence than "US".

I would be willing to wager that most casual gamers (of the age you've described) don't even remember when Live was a premier game (I think Live 2005 was the best of its generation). In their gaming lives 2k has always had the superior product. I don't think casuals have kept this series afloat. They typically don't have any brand loyalty.

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[El_Poopador]

Quote: Originally Posted by shutdown10

If both games are horrible then maybe a company comes out if they feel they can sway fans and are able to make a profit, but that would still be risky because they would be looking into long-term goals. The situation that exists now is far more risky with 2k being a winner right now, and EA being the loser not giving up their spot. Companies that probably wanted to come in probably thought that EA would finally compete with 2k this time around having time, so they were not going to invest into basketball with that situation looming. With the reception Nba Live 14 is receiving, then maybe EA finally gives up their spot so another company comes in that second slot to show what they can do. I want EA to survive and make a respectable game, but they string along their fan base with their games.

i would like to preface this by saying that i could care less who makes the basketball game(s) i buy. im not a fan of one company or an antifan of another. i like video games. i like sports. i like sports video games. thats it

key words in bold. if a company can make a good game then there is no reason not to release it other than another company making a better one. but by your argument ea is making a poor game so that should not prevent another company from making something better. even if ea ducks out why would another company hop in since 2k has the majority of the market?

[blackceasar]

Quote: Originally Posted by shutdown10

There you go again, but I said that and firmly stand by it. By EA dropping the ball for three straight years and not relinquishing their position on the basketball market, it allowed no one else to enter the market because two companies were still controlling the market economic wise. EA was MIA, but other companies saw that they were not giving up, so they were not going to take the risk going head on with 2K and having to face EA as well when they decided to come back. Only two games max can survive in the video sports game market.

This is maybe one of the funniest posts I've seen in this thread. At least we know you didn't receive a Harvard MBA lol

Look man, what is up with this "they didn't allow for other publishers to make an NBA game". It's not as if EA bought the NBA license. So what you're saying is that EA should stop making their game so other publishers feel like they have a shot and then are willing to potentially invest resources into making their own NBA game?

You do know we live in America right? If OS was a game publishing company, they could start development on their own NBA basketball game if they wanted to. They would have to pony up the same cash to use the license as EA and 2k does but I don't see how that's "not fair".

Why should EA Sports (as much as I'm not a fan of Live) have to stop putting out an NBA basketball game just so someone else can? That's like me telling Jay Z, "man... it's no fair you have become an empire and because of that I never tried to ask Beyonce out when she was single because I felt I didnt have shot with you being the empire you are! NO FAIR! Step aside and let someone else ask her out!". Do you see how stupid and silly I would have sounded? Its the same argument for EA "giving up their spot" so another company can make a game. Why is EA's success have to be brought into question or "review" or "busted up"? A company can choose to or choose NOT TO pay for the NBA license usage and try and put out a 3rd NBA branded title. ITS A FREAKING FREE MARKET WHERE NBA IS CONCERNED. This isnt EA and Madden and the NFL.. that's a whole other discussion.

And when in the heck made you the business authority on how many games of a certain genre can survive?

Let me get "fantastical" on you... what if a company showed their NBA game at the Next E3..and what if the game looked EXACTLY like real tv.. not a super close representation but looked like true live television? And what if it played better than both 2k and Live.. and what if it had every single thing we have ever asked of in our Live and 2k wishlist threads? I know this isnt going to happen, but humor me.. what if one company that didn't have the "defeated" mindset you have and said "f-it.. we are putting this out"... what you would have is.... *drumroll*......

A THIRD NBA TITLE IN MARKET THAT'S BETTER THAN 2k AND LIVE! WOW. AMAZING!

EA and 2k should not be punished because 1 has a ton of money (but dont own the license) and the other puts out a really great basketball game. No one is forcing people to buy one game or the other. People have CHOICES.. if really good 3rd NBA game was published, that's just another choice consumers have.

So should the government step in and "regulate" this now? Tell EA Sports "if you aren't going to put out a basketball game we like, then stop making them because you're scaring other companies away from making one"... hahaha.. do you see how silly that sounds? Seriously... but pretty much you're saying EA should "let" someone else in, when in truth the door is WIDE OPEN... rather than taking the stance you have on this.. maybe you should spend your energy lobbying another game publisher to put out a third title. I can be done.. and the two publishers that have a game in market right now is NOT stopping anyone... its boilds down to how bad does that third company want it. Are the willing to invest the time, money and resources to put a better game out? If not.. then dont do it.. if so then do it.. most of us here could care lesss WHO'S making the best basketball game. Paris Hilton could make the best basketball game ever, and we would buy it... and not look at Live or 2k.

[shutdown10]

Quote: Originally Posted by blackceasar

This is maybe one of the funniest posts I've seen in this thread. At least we know you didn't receive a Harvard MBA lol Look man, what is up with this "they didn't allow for other publishers to make an NBA game". It's not as if EA bought the NBA license. So what you're saying is that EA should stop making their game so other publishers feel like they have a shot and then are willing to potentially invest resources into making their own NBA game? You do know we live in America right? If OS was a game publishing company, they could start development on their own NBA basketball game if they wanted to. They would have to pony up the same cash to use the license as EA and 2k does but I don't see how that's "not fair". Why should EA Sports (as much as I'm not a fan of Live) have to stop putting out an NBA basketball game just so someone else can? That's like me telling Jay Z, "man... it's no fair you have become an empire and because of that I never tried to ask Beyonce out when she was single because I felt I didnt have shot with you being the empire you are! NO FAIR! Step aside and let someone else ask her out!". Do you see how stupid and silly I would have sounded? Its the same argument for EA "giving up their spot" so another company can make a game. Why is EA's success have to be brought into question or "review" or "busted up"? A company can choose to or choose NOT TO pay for the NBA license usage and try and put out a 3rd NBA branded title. ITS A FREAKING FREE MARKET WHERE NBA IS CONCERNED. This isnt EA and Madden and the NFL.. that's a whole other discussion. And when in the heck made you the business authority on how many games of a certain genre can survive? Let me get "fantastical" on you... what if a company showed their NBA game at the Next E3..and what if the game looked EXACTLY like real tv.. not a super close representation but looked like true live television? And what if it played better than both 2k and Live.. and what if it had every single thing we have ever asked of in our Live and 2k wishlist threads? I know this isnt going to happen, but humor me.. what if one company that didn't have the "defeated" mindset you have and said "f-it.. we are putting this out"... what you would have is.... *drumroll*...... A THIRD NBA TITLE IN MARKET THAT'S BETTER THAN 2k AND LIVE! WOW. AMAZING! EA and 2k should not be punished because 1 has a ton of money (but dont own the license) and the other puts out a really great basketball game. No one is forcing people to buy one game or the other. People have CHOICES.. if really good 3rd NBA game was published, that's just another choice consumers have. So should the government step in and "regulate" this now? Tell EA Sports "if you aren't going to put out a basketball game we like, then stop making them because you're scaring other companies away from making one"... hahaha.. do you see how silly that sounds? Seriously... but pretty much you're saying EA should "let" someone else in, when in truth the door is WIDE OPEN... rather than taking the stance you have on this.. maybe you should spend your energy lobbying another game publisher to put out a third title. I can be done.. and the two publishers that have a game in market right now is NOT stopping anyone... its boilds down to how bad does that third company want it. Are the willing to invest the time, money and resources to put a better game out? If not.. then dont do it.. if so then do it.. most of us here could care lesss WHO'S making the best basketball game. Paris Hilton could make the best basketball game ever, and we would buy it... and not look at Live or 2k.

No I don't have an MBA in Harvard, but I understand that although 2k And EA don't own the NBA license they still take up the market share in that niche. I did not say that EA is willfully blocking another company from making a basketball game. I'm saying that EA is stopping another company from making a basketball game financial wise. They are looking at the investment and drive they will have to put in by purchasing their portion of the NBA license to publish their game. Next they will have to compete with the 2k and EA who have loyal fan-bases. Did I say that EA is setting up traps for other companies to stay away? Please read my post carefully before you respond carelessly. EA was forced to make NBA Live 14 because they were contacted by the NBA last year who told them that they needed to make a game this year or they were going to face legal issues because they were breaching their contract with the NBA. If a third company could have just made a basketball game in this ugly situation, then why has one not stepped in through that three year void with 2k being the only game coming out? I'm waiting!

[shutdown10]

Quote: Originally Posted by El_Poopador

i would like to preface this by saying that i could care less who makes the basketball game(s) i buy. im not a fan of one company or an antifan of another. i like video games. i like sports. i like sports video games. thats it key words in bold. if a company can make a good game then there is no reason not to release it other than another company making a better one. but by your argument ea is making a poor game so that should not prevent another company from making something better. even if ea ducks out why would another company hop in since 2k has the majority of the market?

If another company comes in that situation, then they will not have the adequate resources to compete with either of the two. It would take a sizable investment to compete with either of the two. This is not a COD or BF shoot em up games situation, because those two games do not have to pay the Military to take in their likenesses in their game. If you want to make an NBA game then you will have to foot a big budget. Maybe a company has the funding to foot the bill, but do they want to take the risk with those two already in the market for awhile? If it was so easy, then why has no other company come in with EA being gone for three years but still having their license contract with the NBA? I'm waiting!

[El_Poopador]

Quote: Originally Posted by shutdown10

If another company comes in that situation, then they will not have the adequate resources to compete with either of the two. It would take a sizable investment to compete with either of the two. This is not a COD or BF shoot em up games situation, because those two games do not have to pay the Military to take in their likenesses in their game. If you want to make an NBA game then you will have to foot a big budget. Maybe a company has the funding to foot the bill, but do they want to take the risk with those two already in the market for awhile? If it was so easy, then why has no other company come in with EA being gone for three years but still having their license contract with the NBA? I'm waiting!

thats the question that you need to answer. if ea not being in the game would open the door then why hasnt anyone come in while ea was out of it?

ea not being there wouldnt change the cost of the nba license. ea not being there wouldnt change the investment the other company would need to make with 2k being in the position its in. and eas current share in the nba gaming market isnt exactly substantial especially not to the point that youre talking about. according to vgchartz live 14 has sold 70K units so far. so even if live wasnt there do you think that 70K units would really have that big of an impact on a different game?

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by blackceasar

This is maybe one of the funniest posts I've seen in this thread. At least we know you didn't receive a Harvard MBA lol Look man, what is up with this "they didn't allow for other publishers to make an NBA game". It's not as if EA bought the NBA license. So what you're saying is that EA should stop making their game so other publishers feel like they have a shot and then are willing to potentially invest resources into making their own NBA game? You do know we live in America right? If OS was a game publishing company, they could start development on their own NBA basketball game if they wanted to. They would have to pony up the same cash to use the license as EA and 2k does but I don't see how that's "not fair". Why should EA Sports (as much as I'm not a fan of Live) have to stop putting out an NBA basketball game just so someone else can? That's like me telling Jay Z, "man... it's no fair you have become an empire and because of that I never tried to ask Beyonce out when she was single because I felt I didnt have shot with you being the empire you are! NO FAIR! Step aside and let someone else ask her out!". Do you see how stupid and silly I would have sounded? Its the same argument for EA "giving up their spot" so another company can make a game. Why is EA's success have to be brought into question or "review" or "busted up"? A company can choose to or choose NOT TO pay for the NBA license usage and try and put out a 3rd NBA branded title. ITS A FREAKING FREE MARKET WHERE NBA IS CONCERNED. This isnt EA and Madden and the NFL.. that's a whole other discussion. And when in the heck made you the business authority on how many games of a certain genre can survive? Let me get "fantastical" on you... what if a company showed their NBA game at the Next E3..and what if the game looked EXACTLY like real tv.. not a super close representation but looked like true live television? And what if it played better than both 2k and Live.. and what if it had every single thing we have ever asked of in our Live and 2k wishlist threads? I know this isnt going to happen, but humor me.. what if one company that didn't have the "defeated" mindset you have and said "f-it.. we are putting this out"... what you would have is.... *drumroll*...... A THIRD NBA TITLE IN MARKET THAT'S BETTER THAN 2k AND LIVE! WOW. AMAZING! EA and 2k should not be punished because 1 has a ton of money (but dont own the license) and the other puts out a really great basketball game. No one is forcing people to buy one game or the other. People have CHOICES.. if really good 3rd NBA game was published, that's just another choice consumers have. So should the government step in and "regulate" this now? Tell EA Sports "if you aren't going to put out a basketball game we like, then stop making them because you're scaring other companies away from making one"... hahaha.. do you see how silly that sounds? Seriously... but pretty much you're saying EA should "let" someone else in, when in truth the door is WIDE OPEN... rather than taking the stance you have on this.. maybe you should spend your energy lobbying another game publisher to put out a third title. I can be done.. and the two publishers that have a game in market right now is NOT stopping anyone... its boilds down to how bad does that third company want it. Are the willing to invest the time, money and resources to put a better game out? If not.. then dont do it.. if so then do it.. most of us here could care lesss WHO'S making the best basketball game. Paris Hilton could make the best basketball game ever, and we would buy it... and not look at Live or 2k.

My man, your Beyoncé, Jay-Z comparison has to be the worst in the history of OS comparisons. It's not the same argument because you run absolutely zero financial risk asking Beyoncé out. Hell, if I got the opportunity I'd do it. It's actually easier than anything, because I know I don't have a shot in hell with her and when she does say no, I walk away with no hurt ego cause I just asked out ****ing Beyoncé son!

Anyway, his point makes perfect business sense. Companies think from dollar sign perspectives, the dollars simply don't add up to take the gamble at this time. For example, do you recall last year or maybe two years ago when Microsoft pulled Xbox 360 out of the European market? They released they couldn't compete with Sony in those overseas markets so they said **** it and backed out. Companies pay attention to dollars man. Always have, always will.

Quote: Originally Posted by shutdown10

No I don't have an MBA in Harvard, but I understand that although 2k And EA don't own the NBA license they still take up the market share in that niche. I did not say that EA is willfully blocking another company from making a basketball game. I'm saying that EA is stopping another company from making a basketball game financial wise. They are looking at the investment and drive they will have to put in by purchasing their portion of the NBA license to publish their game. Next they will have to compete with the 2k and EA who have loyal fan-bases. Did I say that EA is setting up traps for other companies to stay away? Please read my post carefully before you respond carelessly. EA was forced to make NBA Live 14 because they were contacted by the NBA last year who told them that they needed to make a game this year or they were going to face legal issues because they were breaching their contract with the NBA. If a third company could have just made a basketball game in this ugly situation, then why has one not stepped in through that three year void with 2k being the only game coming out? I'm waiting!

Can't get behind you on saying stuff that's not true or not confirmed somewhere man. When and where did you hear anything about the NBA contacting EA and threatening legal action if they didn't release a game?

[DonWuan]

What the hell are y'all talking about lol.

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