Will People Adjust to the Pocket in Next-Gen Madden?

[ruttentud]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

I think some people will complain, but some people have always complained. If what Kolbe has in mind for this game gets implemented, I've been told some people (casuals) are going to HATE Madden in the future. They have been talking about making some drastic changes towards simulation with Kolbe. He's all about simulation, so if he has much to say about it, I would expect a lot of casuals to be very upset with the direction this game is heading. From what I've been told by people who have played next gen Madden 25, is that you will have a 2-3 second window to throw the ball and make your reads, due to the realistic pocket forming now. The pocket is not going to be forming artificially at all, Clint Oldenburg has been working day and night on this line play stuff and I think people need to be more appreciative of what he's doing. If everyone over there worked as hard as he has, this game would be something very special. The last thing we want to do is start bashing him and push him away, instead of encourage what he's trying to do, especially before we have ever even played the game.

I'm unsure, but doesn't Clint just kinda sit there and tell people what to do? He's not actually programming or anything like that, is he?

[4thQtrStre5S]

Quote: Originally Posted by RexDEAFootball

I can assure all of you the new pocket collapse system has a direct and immediate impact on gameplay. Here are a just a few of the ways it changes the game: 1) It is now critical to read blitzes pre-snap, as slide protection is now a big component of protecting yourself against the blitz. 2) With 5 man protection, you can only block 5 defenders. If they send 6, one will get through. This makes hot routing TE's and RB's in to block another key strategy in running an effective offense. 3) Understanding the concept of a 'hot read' receiver with a short curl, hitch or smoke screen route is often necessary against the blitz. 4) Less time in pocket means less time to go deep. Expect to adapt and hit your check down routes like shallow drags and RB's leaking out into the flat. There are also huge upgrades in pass defense, making it more important than ever to make good reads. Rookie and Pro are still pretty safe for the casual, but for everybody else the hope is that they change their play style and employ real football strategies to adapt to the change in direction.

Excellent information if it all works in actual gameplay....A big concern of mine is the proper use of player attributes; as we have all seen from online videos that just with the offensive line, you can replace all the players with 5'6" 160lb linemen with all ratings set to "5" and there is no difference in blocking...Just hope that size/weight and all attributes will be playing a true and effective role in M25 NG...

[mestevo]

Quote: Originally Posted by ghettogeeksta

Im not sold their will be a real pocket in this game. Its probably another half done, over hyped feature.

Given the videos we've seen I don't see how anyone can think that. Drop back too far or ignore the pocket and you will be eaten alive as far as we can tell.

Looking forward to having to actually step up rather than roll out or back further whenever there is pressure.

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[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by mestevo

Given the videos we've seen I don't see how anyone can think that. Drop back too far or ignore the pocket and you will be eaten alive as far as we can tell. Looking forward to having to actually step up rather than roll out or back further whenever there is pressure. Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

You mean the videos manufactured by EA under controlled circumstances that could only show positive aspects of what they were touting? And even in those we could see some sliding/canned animations :/

I'd say we have no proof, positive or negative, as to whether these changes work.

[NDAlum]

I have to agree with the above. I'm just holding out judgment for a few more days. If I had to put money on it I'd say that the game will be exploitable and the tourney/arcade guys like sgibs and all them will find ways to exploit the game for high percentages of success.

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Quote: Originally Posted by NDAlum

I have to agree with the above. I'm just holding out judgment for a few more days. If I had to put money on it I'd say that the game will be exploitable and the tourney/arcade guys like sgibs and all them will find ways to exploit the game for high percentages of success.

I think that people will always find a way to exploit something. It's impossible to make it perfect so someone with enough time on their hands will find a bug and find a way to exploit it.

I'm trying to withhold judgment as well. I'm hoping something magical happens and EA completely blows us away with something we've never seen before. At the same time I'm not expecting it to happen.

[TeeDogg]

Rex if you are still reading. It would be nice to have the animations put back in for LBs and DBs biting on Play Action. I see the would be ball carrier tackled occasionally in the back field, but I haven't seen a second level defender bite in years. occasionally one should peruse the run, then stop and scramble back into coverage. We will also need occasional bite on pump fake animations. preferably the flow of the game and awareness ratings would be big factors in frequency.

if playing QB is truly going to the nxt level in difficulty we need these tools to be more than just for show.

[wordtobigbird]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/11/08...boys-vs-saints

Watch how these guys play. How the guy rolls out with Brees every single play. Hopefully this stops on next gen.