NCAA Football 14 Video - First Look at New Gameplay Engine

[Big FN Deal]

Good video Sim, I tend to agree at this point, any substantial change won't be until the new consoles, if ever. It does seems this current team is just laying a good foundation on the current consoles and hopefully as they are porting or whatever they are doing for the new consoles, a lot of the "scar tissue" from this console gen will be absent.

I was thinking last night, we probably won't know if M25 is a release title for the new consoles until around October because they would want to steal any of M25's thunder on these consoles.

[simfballcritic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

Good video Sim, I tend to agree at this point, any substantial change won't be until the new consoles, if ever. It does seems this current team is just laying a good foundation on the current consoles and hopefully as they are porting or whatever they are doing for the new consoles, a lot of the "scar tissue" from this console gen will be absent. I was thinking last night, we probably won't know if M25 is a release title for the new consoles until around October because they would want to steal any of M25's thunder on these consoles.

Thanks Fam. Yeah man, that's the way I'm feeling. I think what's going on now is they are making adjustments to the core gameplay enging they have now, but not recoding. I can understand why, stuff like that takes a while to do. Still no excuse though, but I can understand what's happening. I said all along that EA SPORTS needs to show a change in direction before they can leap forward, these building blocks goes along with my statement. I'm expecting to see the under the hood stuff addressed on next gen.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by simfballcritic

Thanks Fam. Yeah man, that's the way I'm feeling. I think what's going on now is they are making adjustments to the core gameplay enging they have now, but not recoding. I can understand why, stuff like that takes a while to do. Still no excuse though, but I can understand what's happening. I said all along that EA SPORTS needs to show a change in direction before they can leap forward, these building blocks goes along with my statement. I'm expecting to see the under the hood stuff addressed on next gen.

How confident are you that they actually "get it" though and by "they" I mean whoever has been forcing EA football to create hybrid games? Reason I ask is because although the things being shown are encouraging on paper, there still seems to be that impression of doing it to do it, not doing it to get it right. Like one of the main things that stand out in that video the more I see it, is the lack of reaching by defenders, which draws attention to how bad the pursuit angles are. There is a part in the video where a #42 runs right by the ball carrier and falls in line behind him. I understand if this console gen somehow limits them from improving pursuit angles but does it also limit them from having defenders extend their arms to reach for the ball carrier to slow him and them down from running right past them?

It's those things like that, which you notice once the hype has died down that concerns me even about next-gen.

[ch46647]

Quote: Originally Posted by simfballcritic

Thanks Fam. Yeah man, that's the way I'm feeling. I think what's going on now is they are making adjustments to the core gameplay enging they have now, but not recoding. I can understand why, stuff like that takes a while to do. Still no excuse though, but I can understand what's happening. I said all along that EA SPORTS needs to show a change in direction before they can leap forward, these building blocks goes along with my statement. I'm expecting to see the under the hood stuff addressed on next gen.

Hey Sim,

Were you a part of the CD event this year? I realize you cant comment on specifics, just curious if you were invited to the event.

[simfballcritic]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

How confident are you that they actually "get it" though and by "they" I mean whoever has been forcing EA football to create hybrid games? Reason I ask is because although the things being shown are encouraging on paper, there still seems to be that impression of doing it to do it, not doing it to get it right. Like one of the main things that stand out in that video the more I see it, is the lack of reaching by defenders, which draws attention to how bad the pursuit angles are. There is a part in the video where a #42 runs right by the ball carrier and falls in line behind him. I understand if this console gen somehow limits them from improving pursuit angles but does it also limit them from having defenders extend their arms to reach for the ball carrier to slow him and them down from running right past them? It's those things like that, which you notice once the hype has died down that concerns me even about next-gen.

I'm confident that the Devs want the most authentic game possible, what I'm not sure of is what the real limitations are, you feel me. I'm not sure anyone is holding them back, of course you have to appeal to both casual and hardcore, but if you ask me there are things in the game now that casual players would be lost with. What have always made me question the hold back thing is why isn't it the same with other genres under EA SPORTS (FIFA and NHL), especially since FIFA sells more than Madden and NCAA. I could be wrong but I honestly think it's the focus of the Dev Team, that's why I can say I have confidence in this team. If they prove me wrong in the future I will be the first to speak out on it.

[simfballcritic]

Quote: Originally Posted by ch46647

Hey Sim, Were you a part of the CD event this year? I realize you cant comment on specifics, just curious if you were invited to the event.

Yes, I've been to an event. Will be going to others as well.

[ch46647]

Quote: Originally Posted by simfballcritic

Thanks Fam. Yeah man, that's the way I'm feeling. I think what's going on now is they are making adjustments to the core gameplay enging they have now, but not recoding. I can understand why, stuff like that takes a while to do. Still no excuse though, but I can understand what's happening. I said all along that EA SPORTS needs to show a change in direction before they can leap forward, these building blocks goes along with my statement. I'm expecting to see the under the hood stuff addressed on next gen.

Just watched your video, and I am really hoping you are correct. I have been saying for years that the developers are limited to the horrible foundation (engine) that Madden 06 was built on. I think they have had leadership and directional issues as well, but the game as a whole is held back from the foundation that Madden 06 for next-gen is built on.

I really hope that they are pouring a ton of resources into the next-gen Madden. I just pray that they do not make that same mistake again. They need to build a LEGIT football game engine, and layer some of these strides they have been making over the last few years on top. (And 10X more)

Personally, I have lost all hope in this current engine and them putting "lip stick on a pig" per say. However, I have not lost faith in these developers, and hopefully they are building a masterpiece of an engine for PS4/XBOX 720. I am excited to see what they can do once they get the training wheel taken off (current engine) and can develop on more solid ground.

I hope, and expect, after these last 8 years of (IMO) horrible football gaming. That when they finally reveal the next-gen Madden, we will all be completely wow'd, just like many of us were in that Next-Gen teaser video in 2006.

[ch46647]

Also, I would be very dissapointed if we get a shell of a game, like Madden 06 was, for the first iteration of Madden on the XBOX 720/PS4. I think many people have the misperception that the first game of a console generation is bare bones. I do not feel that way at all, sure Madden 06 was, but I remember the first iteration of Madden on PS2 (2001?) was AMAZING for its time.

I think Madden 06' and this last generation of consoles was more of an anomaly then an industry standard.

My .02 cents.