Madden NFL 13 Title Update #2 Arrives Tomorrow, Player Editing Still Being Explored

[steamboat]

Quote: Originally Posted by badgerwhacker

So everybody who plays All-Madden only do so because they want to find 'money plays'? You would rather ballet dance around the field with the correct numbers and players positions slightly adjusted? Some people are easily please. For what it's worth, it applies to all levels.

No, thats not what I am saying. What I am saying is that in order to succeed in All-Madden where the CPU is overbuilt and cheats against you you have to find money plays to survive. You can't just run a normal offense and play a sim style game and survive it unless you are unbelievable with sticks, which most are not.

I'm saying that I prefer editing to fixing All-Madden (and if it applies to all levels I'm not sure what you are talking about) because it effects me more.

But either way it is not up to us anyway so its truly a moot point. Are you saying I'm one of the easy to please? Cause I'm not pleased. A little confused at that throwaway statement.

[unc_kobw]

What time will the update be out tomorrow?

[fantasysportsguy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tazdevil20

If you really wanted to maintain a level of professionalism, you wouldn't have even responded to his post. Your response is very indicative of how things are done regarding this game at Tiburon. The product has been nothing short of terrible going on 8 years now. This year's game is the first game that shows SOME sort of effort. While it isn't fair to lump all of the gamechangers into the same bucket, you were strangely absent when some of them defended every aspect of Madden that was truly done poorly and incomplete. There was no mention of the lack of editing, the ridiculous number of oversights and bugs regarding both offline and online CC, nor the issues regarding the gameplay. Also, just because you brought in a few guys from the sim standard and wined and dined them into trying to tell us the game was incredibly better doesn't carry any weight. You have a guy who was one of the original youtube critics who is doing great work by showing all of the glaring gameplay issues still in Madden in a professional and respectful manner that were done better in that "other" game, but you're in no hurry to include him. If you really were interested in making the game better, you would not be responding to a comment that provided no value, but you would simply be gathering the input from the community as a whole and realizing that there are massive issues with this game year after year. You're talking about a company who bought an exclusive license to the nation's most popular sport, then proceeded to destroy it with colossally bad products for 8 years. Also, we all know why you mention the TSS guys. Your thinking was that if you brought in the supposed "harshest madden critics", you'd brainwash people into thinking that the game MUST be better. People make up their own mind here by playing the game. Tons of things are still broken gameplay wise, but to add to it, a bunch of things were removed and are now bug ridden that were in the non-gameplay areas. People are going to be upset. The price of the game wasn't lowered, so people's expectations aren't going to be. Also, let's not forget the face of the gamechangers for Madden. SGibs and ZFarls (nothing personal), but they are admitted tourney type/glitch players. They profit by writing strategy guides that tell you how to simply win at Madden, completely disregarding "football", yet you are touting this as a true simulation game. Come on now... There is a wealth of information here on OS that has been here for nearly a decade. Tiburon has chosen not to use it to improve the game. People are going to have their opinions about your game changer program. Have the mettle to take the info you need from the "negative" comments in order to make the product better. Even though you may not like how it was written or presented, the important thing is that you get the information. People who want to play NFL games want to play football, not Madden-Ball. We're all tired of comparing this to the other game on the field, and complaining about the bugs in the mode off the field. Plenty of people want to love this game. Line play, player movement, running animations, NFL rules, NFL atmosphere, NFL presentation, realistic roster and off field management need major work to catch up to where we were. That's the feedback the team needs to hear about. When those things are finally polished and we get a product worth 65.00 that looks like a company with all access to the NFL built it, then more respect for the development team and its affiliates will follow.

Post of the millennium. I agree with everything you said in there.

[Joobieo]

Quote: Originally Posted by steamboat

No, thats not what I am saying. What I am saying is that in order to succeed in All-Madden where the CPU is overbuilt and cheats against you you have to find money plays to survive. You can't just run a normal offense and play a sim style game and survive it unless you are unbelievable with sticks, which most are not. I'm saying that I prefer editing to fixing All-Madden (and if it applies to all levels I'm not sure what you are talking about) because it effects me more. But either way it is not up to us anyway so its truly a moot point. Are you saying I'm one of the easy to please? Cause I'm not pleased. A little confused at that throwaway statement.

Incorrect playing a normal game and winning is suppose to be hard , it's not impossible .

[MeTsFaN719]

Quote: Originally Posted by Old Mr T

I completely agree, but just to be clear, co-op is human teammates (2-4) playing on the same side vs the CPU.

The removal of co-op has completely ruined the game for me. My brother, my friend and I would usually start a franchise together and it was really fun and challenging with adjusted sliders.

We also share a gamertag so it's really been a buzzkill this year...

[steamboat]

Quote: Originally Posted by Joobieo

Incorrect playing a normal game and winning is suppose to be hard , it's not impossible .

So it should be that you win 5% of the time when you control the Ravens and the CPU is the dolphins? Really? That is somehow realistic?

[badgerwhacker]

Quote: Originally Posted by steamboat

No, thats not what I am saying. What I am saying is that in order to succeed in All-Madden where the CPU is overbuilt and cheats against you you have to find money plays to survive. You can't just run a normal offense and play a sim style game and survive it unless you are unbelievable with sticks, which most are not. I'm saying that I prefer editing to fixing All-Madden (and if it applies to all levels I'm not sure what you are talking about) because it effects me more. But either way it is not up to us anyway so its truly a moot point. Are you saying I'm one of the easy to please? Cause I'm not pleased. A little confused at that throwaway statement.

I think we're getting our 'wires' crossed here. I was discussing people who's only concern is editing and how the game looks as opposed to how the actual game plays itself.

By editing, do you mean sliders? As I said above, my concern is some are happy with visual content rather than substance.

[fripperiffic]

Quote: Originally Posted by EmmdotFrisk

We are extremely motivated to address all uncovered issues. What bugs are bothering you the most?

The bugs bothering me most are: The offline CCM being broken. (Josh Looman essentially confirmed this on Twitter) The sliders need to be the same as play now, the schemes shouldn't change, the subs are really screwed in pre-season. The AI playcalling is out of whack. The stats are really skewed in simmed games. I am pretty much just regurgitating all of the same stuff that has been mentioned on these forums again and again. I am not asking for you guys to add in all kinds of stuff (other than player editing) I am just asking that the features that are put in the game, work properly. Thanks for your concern, care, and taking time to ask questions.
David