Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[baller7345]

Quote: Originally Posted by sgibs7

ya the slant out isnt even a route. its a way to create a flood but not really sound football. glad to see the zig route make an appearance this year.

It was in the game this year (unless its different than the whip unders which is what I was understanding it to be), it just wasn't a hot route (which is awesome).

I used it like crazy since a lot of the plays out of GB's book have those routes being ran by the slot guys. It also helps that my personal dislike for the slant outs meant that I didn't run more than maybe 5 of them all year which should at least make me ready for a world in which they don't exist. Speed outs FTW! lol

[sgibs7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I don't have any video but anybody can go into practice mode against the CPU and see exactly what I am talking about. Defensive pass interference is for making illegal contact with an intended receiver when the ball is in the air. Defensive holding/illegal contact/illegal use of the the hands is for making illegal contact with a receiver after 5 yards prior to the pass. In Madden that penalty does not exist so a CPU or User defender can make all the contact they want with receivers 6-99 yards from the LOS before the pass without worry.

i have tried hitsticking my opponent in games and I always get pass interference called when they dont have the ball so the PI is there.

im not really sure what instances you are referring to - i havent played one game this year where I thought the outcome of the play was effected becuase of the issue you mentioned.

it should 100% be fixed for the sake of fixing it to make it represent the game more life like. are you talking about when defenders and receivers liek warp into each other? or the jostling between the players?

Overall though it doesnt effect the game to the point that you would win or lose a game based off it.

[baller7345]

Quote: Originally Posted by WFColonel56

but even though the slant out isnt apart of a route tree the slant out+flat route combination used in madden attacks the defense in the same way that a curl-flat route combo or the sail route combo...by attacking the flat defender even though it isnt X's and O's logical in the sense that thw slant out inst a route on the route tree the route combination is X's and O's sound and logical by the way that it attacks a zone defense but the purple zones effectiveness made things difficult to manage (cough gibs cough)

The other thing is when a WR would run a slant out it technically should be easier to pick it off since the route is breaking towards the outside part of the field and is running way from the QB meaning that it would be easier for a DB to undercut the route and pick it off in real life but the way they ran then in Madden its basically impossible. You could stop them but they were still so effective that comparing that flood to your standard Strong flood with the 10 yard out route is simply not worth using unless you are planning on rocket catching the out route.

Random other thing that annoyed me and has annoyed me for awhile is pretty much noone actually runs a true Bench concept. Everyone turns it into a 4 verticals shakes concept and calls it bench. I know its because its easier just to refer to the play but EA should just give you guys the 2 streaks and 2 deep corners play stock so that I don't have to hear people keep calling it Bench for another year. There is no high low read in that play ran like that....

[baller7345]

Quote: Originally Posted by sgibs7

i have tried hitsticking my opponent in games and I always get pass interference called when they dont have the ball so the PI is there. im not really sure what instances you are referring to - i havent played one game this year where I thought the outcome of the play was effected becuase of the issue you mentioned. it should 100% be fixed for the sake of fixing it to make it represent the game more life like. are you talking about when defenders and receivers liek warp into each other? or the jostling between the players? Overall though it doesnt effect the game to the point that you would win or lose a game based off it.

I believe the main instances he is referring too are where you can basically run slightly slower in front of the WR and slow him down so he doesn't get to a streak or whatever route he is on.

I know I have seen a few instances where they games pass interference animation actually triggered and it didn't call the penalty. One of which was the final of a launch tourney (which luckily for me I still managed to win) where I was throwing a deep out and Jimmy Smith shoved Jennings out of the way 10 yards downfield and picked it off. It was an actual shove animation...completely left me speechless.

[WFColonel56]

Quote: Originally Posted by baller7345

The other thing is when a WR would run a slant out it technically should be easier to pick it off since the route is breaking towards the outside part of the field and is running way from the QB meaning that it would be easier for a DB to undercut the route and pick it off in real life but the way they ran then in Madden its basically impossible. You could stop them but they were still so effective that comparing that flood to your standard Strong flood with the 10 yard out route is simply not worth using unless you are planning on rocket catching the out route. Random other thing that annoyed me and has annoyed me for awhile is pretty much noone actually runs a true Bench concept. Everyone turns it into a 4 verticals shakes concept and calls it bench. I know its because its easier just to refer to the play but EA should just give you guys the 2 streaks and 2 deep corners play stock so that I don't have to hear people keep calling it Bench for another year. There is no high low read in that play ran like that....

most people ran it with a streak to that side of the field as well pushing the cover3 or4 deep 1/3 or 1/4th zone deep

[baller7345]

Quote: Originally Posted by WFColonel56

most people ran it with a streak to that side of the field as well pushing the cover3 or4 deep 1/3 or 1/4th zone deep

I meant when ran against man coverage. It should have actually be defensible using man coverage unless you have a QB who can place it perfectly everytime. With the way it was ran in Madden though it was basically impossible to stop in man coverage unless you played some form of combo coverage. A route that breaks to the outside and down field isn't something that should be automatic against man defense in my opinion.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by baller7345

I believe the main instances he is referring too are where you can basically run slightly slower in front of the WR and slow him down so he doesn't get to a streak or whatever route he is on. I know I have seen a few instances where they games pass interference animation actually triggered and it didn't call the penalty. One of which was the final of a launch tourney (which luckily for me I still managed to win) where I was throwing a deep out and Jimmy Smith shoved Jennings out of the way 10 yards downfield and picked it off. It was an actual shove animation...completely left me speechless.

Thank you kind sir

I was honestly beginning to think everybody was pretending to not know what I was talking about as some kind of practical joke, lol.

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

Thank you kind sir I was honestly beginning to think everybody was pretending to not know what I was talking about as some kind of practical joke, lol.

I have a play in my niners pb that does exactly what you speak Big F, Ill look it up a few minutes and tell you what it is and you can run it and see the LBs and safeties run rigth into my TE's and slow them down and the ball will sail where they should of been able to make a play!

Edit: SingleBack BIG TE Cross

Run that play and you will see it almost every time when the TEs cross!