Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[speedy9386]

Quote: Originally Posted by Smoke6

Its people and stuff like this http://www.thegamerslab.com/communit...st-you-do.html That kill the hard work that these devs put into madden every year only to get killed by the masses of wannabe MC players who want to take short cuts on winning instead of enjoying and playing the game the way it should. That very forum and thread is what makes my desire for a new madden much less than it ever was before the internets. First thing people wanna do is lab glitches and gimmicks and kill online play once again!

What a heap of steaming poo

[Smoke6]

Quote: Originally Posted by speedy9386

What a heap of steaming poo

This kicker to all this is that some of these guys have direct contact with some of the devs and get their gamez early aswell for them lab these glitches and confirm to others what's in and what's not as far a glitches go.

But don't take it personal CM, most of us are tired of baby steps and where madden should be now I will detail for you in a minute when I get home.

[Moegames]

I like a lot of what Micheal young has to say..i really think he fits his position well and has a nice vision of showing fun and exciting presentation into a NFL football video game. Most of what he said..i totally agree with. I feel that presentation plays a HUGE role in any sports game..in having to push that excitement level up ..to the point presentation is just as important as the core game play elements, seriously..its THAT important imho.

Pre-game, Post-game, pre-play, post-play,commentary, cut scenes, graphics, audio, player emotion, fan reactions,etc,etc..its all key ingredients that MUST be there in football video games..you can have prefect core game play in the game but if the presentation is not there in order to add fun and excitement..its all wasted time and effort and will result in a dull experience and you simply cant have that with ANY video game.

[ch46647]

Hopefully they went ALL OUT with the crowd audio this year. I want roaring crowds that react appropriately to situations on the field, crowd swells, DE-Fense chants on 3rd downs, crowd gasping when there is a big hit or sack, etc, etc, etc..

They need to take this to an all new level this year. Madden has had the worst crowd noise in ANY sports game this generation. NFL football is all about the emotion of players and fans.

[Mr_Riddick]

Quote: Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM

I can point to pass trajectiories this year. Many people have screamed that it should be the hands down number one priority. Ok, they did a ton of work on...it was fixed as of February when I was there, now the same people are screaming about "I can't believe they didn't work on (insert noun)". It's just goofy... Plain goofy. In my opinion and also a lot of long timers on this site... That no matter what they do, a small loud group will not be happy as long as the game they are playing says "EA". Don't get me wrong.... Madden has issues and I can understand people wanting more because I do as well... But at some point the blatant bashing and complaining has to go, its just not productive. Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

Understant this, i havent purhased Madden game in 3 years. And yes, im with the group here on OS whom have many complaints. But how is it counterproductive? I mean i think the majority of us on this site actcually would LOVE to enjoy this the game. But for obvious reasons cant. Last year I had hope. I thought it would be the year. But yet again it was a let down.... SO they added more catching animations and pass trajectories... Again, i think Im speaking for the complaining group when i say, About.... Freaking.... Time. I could play a 4 year old game and get that and more. To me those are the only 2 additions that will actually improve this game. Honestly, whos going to but a Jim Nance Jersey this year.?? All in all i just want a game that Not only has the bells and whistles
That goes along with Sunday. But the fundamental aspects too. A game that actually looks like FOOTBALL on the field. I hope this year is the gonna be the year. Because again, I think i speak for the conplainers when i say Im tired of updated rosters. To play a game thats 4 years old.. I really want to play madden but i just cant force it if it doesnt look the part on the field.*

[Critical Kills]

Quote: Originally Posted by RealmK

It will most certainly be a port, there's no way EA takes a year off of their flagship sports title to rebuild it from the ground up. While they were able to do that with the NHL sku this gen, they eventually hit a wall and that series stagnated due to more than likely memory limitations. I just don't see EA forgoing the first year sales of a launch NFL title once MS and Sony release a new console cycle. I actually feel worse for Sony in this regard since the PS3 never seemed to really hit a stride at all until the last 6 months to a year if that.

It's not going to be a port just like the PS2/Xbox to PS3/Xbox 360 wasn't a port. They have a completely separate team working on the next-gen consoles from the current gen and it's built separately and is usually started on 2 years or so before the game hits the market (while the new console is still secret and whatnot). Anyone that doesn't know this doesn't know their video game history and have not read enough on the subject.

I mean, seriously, can anyone really not play the last version of the PS2/Xbox game and then play the PS3/Xbox 360 version the following year and think those games were the same engine? Hell, many of the comments constantly posted on here is that people want to go back to the OLD engine on the PS2/Xbox!

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by ODogg

It's not going to be a port just like the PS2/Xbox to PS3/Xbox 360 wasn't a port. They have a completely separate team working on the next-gen consoles from the current gen and it's built separately and is usually started on 2 years or so before the game hits the market (while the new console is still secret and whatnot). Anyone that doesn't know this doesn't know their video game history and have not read enough on the subject.

If anything their performance this gen is proof enough that they shouldn't repeat the mistakes of the past. It wasn't just Madden that struggled making the next gen jump, ALL of EA's titles had problems. Games like Icon (previously Def Jam NY), NBA Street, etc. were one and done this gen and shadows of their former selves. FIFA, Madden, NCAA, NHL, etc. were all disappointing to mediocre at best for years. And all we debated was how they got the dev kits late, needed time to acclimate themselves to the new hardware, blah blah blah.

I remember the debates we had on why PS2/Xbox Madden wasn't improving much late in it's dev cycle. Now sadly the same excuses used for not improving the current game then, are being used now (next gen is right around the corner).

If they make the same mistake again they deserve to be clowned to no end. We're however many years into next gen and Madden still hasn't righted itself. People shouldn't be making excuses for them not improving the game across the board now. Games like NBA2K and The Show were able to have smoother transitions to next gen because their devs took a smarter approach and made those games with the idea of scaling them appropriately to the new hardware - even Madden devs themselves have said so on occasion. It shouldn't be some everything needs to be torn down/baby thrown out with the bath water situation every time a new console generation rolls around. All we heard the past year was how the dev team was doubled - doubled - and yet the same excuses have to be made about them not taking a comprehensive approach to fixing what's wrong with the game? That OL/DL, physics, signature styles, etc. have to wait until it's "their time" to be addressed? C'mon.

[Smoke6]

Maddens past features still missing that shouldnt have ever been missing and then ill get to where madden should be at right now.

Home Field advantage- we used to have this feature as a highlight in madden a few years back i believe on last gen consoles. The crowd roaring and the chants.

QB Composure- this too was a feature to where your QB was either 'rattled' or well 'composed' is crucial situations. This mixed with the home field crowd noise really disrupted the flow of someone trying to put together a no huddle package in the game as the play art would be all "scribbled looking" when you went to view it or hot route a WR.

Penalties- Been discussed to death, but its been there before but there is really no excuse as to why penalties are missing from this game the way they are.

Severity of injuries- Used to be sort of a big emphasis to this back in the day, now it just seems to be displayed with no real emotional or game changing feeling to it at all. I remember being devastated when my starting Qb or HB was not returning for the game, made me not want to play the rest of the game, but it became more challenging having that Bledsoe/Brady drama going on and I became a lot more adversed with playing or not minding to play with different QBs regardless of their ratings or skill. Not soo much in these past maddens.

Atmosphere- Just not there with these games past the introductions, they were done better in the past! You felt like you were in the playoffs or making a playoff run.

Imported Draft Classes- I never had a problem with them on the PS2, I quite enjoyed this feature back then, lately it just never seems to work right or work at all.

Halftime, Pre-game, and Post-game shows- Like I said before, they been there and done that with this, all of a sudden its just been pick up and play and most of these just an after thought.

Now to where madden should be at right now...

Graphics is not an issue with me, madden has always looked nice, but looking nice doesnt mean its gonna play as good as it looks. Well, times need to change and the GFX needs to match the gameplay.

Running animations should have been on par with most real life athletes styles.

O and D-line interaction should have been addressed to the point its just getting fine tuned to players likeness and tendacies.

QBs throwing and attributes should match up well with their real live counter parts.

Morphing and collision detection should have been an afterthought, slower players seem to back pedal faster than most players sprinting forward. (example) Vernon Davis being covered step for step by a no named LB or DE on routes that most DBs in the league have trouble covering. Im not saying this should be 100% or automatic for VD but the matchup is in VD's favor and should play out that way most of the time.

Game Play is like I have always said it should be, "dynamic"!!! No play should play out the exact same in a cheesy manner even if the defense is playing slouchy or careless.

Player animations and momentum should be at level un expected, players these past 7 yrs have been taking risks that they should be 2nd guessing if not more and still get greatly rewarded even when you know whats coming. Foot planting should be almost as accurate as it can be around this time, as it stands players are just abusing the same madden fundamentals we see and shiver over yr after yr. Case in point is the HB delay or draw, in how fast and unrealistic the player takes off and can make cuts the moment the ball is handed off, thus the reason its one of the top 5 plays used an abused in online play.

Im all for the looking before you catch a pass type of feature, it should have always been like that and hopefully it works as well as most of us think it should. But nonetheless it should have always been there and being tweaked or tuned from that start of inception.

Players on the field recover way too fast on plays where they are completely taken out by either getting beat off the line from a bump or the user is manually controlling and bites on another route only to still be able to make up for it and make a play when he should have been out of the play. Its rare to see a Lebron James type of defense fast break defense being made in the NFL.

Interceptions or crazy on how its executed in this game, if anyone has ever played football would know that not all the O linemen stop blocking or protecting their QB the moment the ball is released from his hands. In madden, most interceptions are shutdown by an awful animation by the WR who was going up to get the ball with momentum carrying them forward and once the ball is picked off its a tackle in the air animation instead of 6 the other way potentially. If not this, then you are caught by the once blocking a second ago linemen who never even knew the ball was passed in the first place.

Risk vs Reward is the name of the game, its the crux of sports period! Those pesky 4th and forever attempts in the 1st quarter are a thing of the past and the games play out much better than they do now. You can still pick up and play a pick up game or whatnot, and im not asking for 15 minute quarter games, you can skip all the cutscenes or have the option to play with them off and just get to playing.

We should be at a point to where we can orchestrate a full weeks practice from helmets on Monday to full pads Tues-Fri and Shells on Sat against our practice squads and even promote players from practice squad on up or down. Thats the whole point of having a draft and free agency and whatnot, if we cant go all out by now then its just very shallow. It needs depth and we should have something like that by now.

Hiring and firing of coaching staff should be a focal point someway somehow, we have very aggressive coaches in the league some that take a very different approach. This should factor into a lot of aspects of this game. A player is just not playing upto his potential, so he gets benched (a CPU thing) but you can override it and play the man anyway and still watch him either get it together or keep failing just like the head coach thought he would.

Injuries are very weak and downplayed in this game, if you have ever been severely injured with MCL or ACL issues, its not an easy thing to come back from and play as if you are that same player before the injury. It takes true time to comeback from most injuries and play at full strength and speed. A player to look at in this regard is Darren Mcfadden, injury prone, comes back from and injury and it gets worse. As it should be now, is that it should be treated as a crisis situation and careful game planning should be mandated when playing injured players with injuries that are more than likely able to get worse or re injured.The risk for that should be at an all time high in which this enhances the overall experience of the game as players would tip toe lightly knowing they have to rely on the backups that may or may not play upto par as their premiere players who are suffering from an injury.

All refs on the field, no wonder why we are missing penalties in this game, I dont see them all on the field at all. But as madden should be by now, they all should be there.

Manual player movement should have a great impact on the outcome of any play whether they're involved or not. I hate seeing players moving Dlinemen off the LOS and playing LB and safety with them due to the fact that players carry no real weight. Well with weight and proper physics being where it should be, the risk for such gameplay would be very detrimental to the user who is taking the risk and very rewarding for the other player to take advantage of such garbage. Say goodbye to running starts pre-snap and players clowning around in the secondary as the ball is being hiked.

FG and punts, no one is "money", and what I mean by that is players have their good and bad games from all positions. Punting may seem easy, but get out there on the field and anything can go wrong. So long to the automatic FGs from any kicker, touchback kickoffs every kick, and deep punts anytime. Players legs will be as weak/strong as they are in real life or as they attributes state. if the wind is behind you then fine, let the wind play a part, but other than that, punts will be dynamic or should be.

To touch on the running game and the aspects of that, its too easy in madden now, but with proper stats and ratings matchups, this could be a game changer for those who rush into the run game base don how madden used to play as opposed to how it should play. No way a DB or a safety should shed the block of an O linemen the way they do now just to get to the ball carrier when the sprint button is engaged and the same for WRs blocking linemen when motioned to do so. Nothing like that should be concrete or relied on as guaranteed success in this game. Its severely flawed and the game will play to the matchups as they arise, but this non sense of hiking the ball with a WR in motion and engaging a blitzing Ray lewis and winning is just absurd.

I mean, this is the gist of where madden should be at right now, we are done with the eyes behind the back DB's who are covering streaks stride for stride only to break off the moment you pass the ball underneath to a post corner route underneath the streak route as if he knew the whole time where the ball was going!

I dont think any of the above is impossible or asking too much from the devs, this will make the game have that "any given sunday" feel to it and thats all we are looking for. Kill the nano blitz mess that goes on because teams arent getting the pressure they feel they need so they substitute it for nanos and kill the game even more. Online franchise should play just as good a offline franchise with a live sports tickers from all the games being played or have been played and indicating ESPN type of news feed regarding our franchise thats in play. But thats a whole other mode to get into really!

But there it is!