NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

[Scruffychicken]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

With 2K rosters I use mostly base All-Star/SIM sliders except adjusted shot sliders (45/45/47/50) and upping the fatigue and free throw difficulty, clutch off. Also play with the SiM-Project rosters/sliders to mix it up, which are excellent for those more detail-oriented. Not sure that there's any one universal set that will satisfy all since people have such varying opinions on how the game should play and differing skill levels. I took Czar's advice and turned on Full Playvision and haven't looked back - improved my gameplay experience immensely. I think if you prefer more freestyle play then you should try Pro or All-Star/DEFAULT and tweak from there. I get the feeling a lot of people are more freestyle players but don't want to learn the new playcalling system

I missed Czar talking about the playvision, does this help the AI spacing or movement or something? I'm not what you would call "freestyle" player. I love running plays.

I was playing with pro/default with sliders, so I'm gonna default everything and try this again with the patch reapplied.

[jonm1010]

I've officially given up on this game.

I'm an Association guy and aside from the AI issues, stat glitches and numerous bugs it's almost a joke to try and progress past one season in this game.

My final straw was more realization that the hotspot glitch STILL hasn't been fixed.

The fact that it is now TWO YEARS and the SAME hotspot bugs that make any rookie, imported or not have nothing but cold spots, which has basically made it so even if I train my new players to shoot 99 they will still brick a large portion of shots and get taken to the woodshed by 80 or even 70 rated shooters.

It's the biggest issue I've had with the game but it's just a glaring one that sums up all my problems with this game.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scruffychicken

I missed Czar talking about the playvision, does this help the AI spacing or movement or something? I'm not what you would call "freestyle" player. I love running plays.

Just helps you to learn the plays. I know how some develop just from seeing from repetition. But it helps a lot to know how the players will move, spacing, etc. I leave my playcalling to Auto for offense and defense with full playvision and names on; just makes things so much easier. I didn't realize I was breaking plays when playing with the lite playview on

[nuckles2k2]

Is it true that playing with the broadcast cam reduces some of the stuttering and frame rate dips?

When I played the game, I mainly had it on either the 2K cam or Turbo cam (in My Player.)

[Altimus]

Defense in a hoops game will never meet expectations of some us hardcore hoop gamers. However, 2K12 inside defense is a joke. I have to ask the question, have the developers played basketball competitively? Getting inside the paint is extremely difficult. Getting past the first defender is tough and then you have to anticipate the collapse of the defense. A lot of contact expected. Inside shots are high % shots but working to get those shots is difficult and takes work. But, in 2K it's extremely easy. Lets take a look.



I have a few more loading up all just from one game but I'm sure we've all seen them.

As far as this play you have Haywood setting a screen for Kidd. Brewer goes above the screen, no problem. Now remember, Brewer is a very solid defender. Now for some reason he just goes crazy and loses Kidd. But there is still a lot of Bulls in the paint. You have Watson and Asik. A 7 foot 260 pound defensive center. Even though Brewer recovers and with 3 Bulls players Kidd easily makes this shot. This happens a lot. Players that have no business getting in the paint just stroll in there no problem like there's a revolving door.

I know this defensive talk has been talked about before but this is a shame for a game that hails itself as ultimate simulation. This may even be worse than 2K9's defense. Inside defense is non-existent. Rotations are poor and even broken at times. Double teams? They're illegal in 2K12 because they're never used by the AI. The list just continues as the defensive logic will leave you scratching your head. They tried to eliminate the issue but having computer have eyes in the back of their head but that is just a poor effort.

For the team to just disappear and not comment on any of these issues is disappointing.

[Court_vision]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus

Defense in a hoops game will never meet expectations of some us hardcore hoop gamers. However, 2K12 inside defense is a joke. I have to ask the question, have the developers played basketball competitively? Getting inside the paint is extremely difficult. Getting past the first defender is tough and then you have to anticipate the collapse of the defense. A lot of contact expected. Inside shots are high % shots but working to get those shots is difficult and takes work. But, in 2K it's extremely easy. Lets take a look. I have a few more loading up all just from one game but I'm sure we've all seen them. As far as this play you have Haywood setting a screen for Kidd. Brewer goes above the screen, no problem. Now remember, Brewer is a very solid defender. Now for some reason he just goes crazy and loses Kidd. But there is still a lot of Bulls in the paint. You have Watson and Asik. A 7 foot 260 pound defensive center. Even though Brewer recovers and with 3 Bulls players Kidd easily makes this shot. This happens a lot. Players that have no business getting in the paint just stroll in there no problem like there's a revolving door. I know this defensive talk has been talked about before but this is a shame for a game that hails itself as ultimate simulation. This may even be worse than 2K9's defense. Inside defense is non-existent. Rotations are poor and even broken at times. Double teams? They're illegal in 2K12 because they're never used by the AI. The list just continues as the defensive logic will leave you scratching your head. They tried to eliminate the issue but having computer have eyes in the back of their head but that is just a poor effort. For the team to just disappear and not comment on any of these issues is disappointing.

Great post...sums up my feelings perfectly. Agree also that the developers dissapearing and simply not commenting on this stuff is dissapointing. I've spent a lot of $$$ over the years on 2K produtcs. This year it just seems like they've released a broken game in many regards and walked away. You just know the 2K13 hype machine will be full of "better interior D, double teams based on real NBA physics etc etc etc". They used to be different to EA and great at addressing stuff, but I guess all companies are the same nowadays.

And......I know Spank and Pared will defend them. If you fellas do, that's cool. However, could you post videos refuting what ALTIMUS is saying...? Not just rhetoric etc. There's no real doubt that inside D, post D, double teams etc are completely broken. I've never seen it so poor in a 2K basketball game. It's just weird they released a basketball game with these things missing. Not patching it is really dissapointing.

[Court_vision]

BTW Altimus.......you can make it hard to get into the paint using sliders.

Basically you'll then get that 'bumping' animation that sends your guard back a foot everytime someone touches him. It's not ideal or realistic, but at least it will stop the easy penetration you got in that video.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Court_vision

They used to be different to EA and great at addressing stuff, but I guess all companies are the same nowadays. And......I know Spank and Pared will defend them. If you fellas do, that's cool. However, could you post videos refuting what ALTIMUS is saying...?

Kinda funny to see some of you resorting to the "they're no different than EA" card in an effort to draw a response from them. Don't catch feelings that they aren't responding to your concerns. Seeing all your posts I had decided to jump back to the Madden forum and start complaining about where that game needs to improve, how disappointed I was with it, wanting everyone else to feel the same way I do, etc. But then I remembered - shortly after the second patch when I realized the game wasn't for me, I gave my opinion and traded it in. That was 2 months or so after the game released.

We're closing in on four months post-release for 2K12. I'm sorry the game isn't for some of you (I'm not personally, just showing some empathy). I'm not trying to go overboard defending them although I know that's how some view it. Just fyi I was debating purchasing the necessary equipment to do video capture just to post my game experiences. But then I thought, why spend $$$ trying to prove something when I'll likely hear "No you need to play the game the way I do". To be honest I've never tried to casually stroll into the lane and shoot - at least I don't recall doing so. Nor have I ever tried to score 100pts with Shaq or anyone else. And I'm not going to start now. I loved 2K11, and I love 2K12. I know you want to say the same devs credited with delivering a masterpiece in 2K11 have delivered a near-failure in 2K12. As I've said many times, I give them a lot more credit than that.

There's plenty of full game video floating around, not just the play here or there that some want to highlight an issue. A few people have already done it recently in fact, and I don't recall seeing stuff like in the video posted above. If I post video it will be of an entire game so it can be critiqued properly, not editing video so it only shows the plays that benefit my argument.