NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

[gojayson]

can somebody post the patch 1.04 for ps3 here? I don't have internet in our house

[Altimus]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Kinda funny to see some of you resorting to the "they're no different than EA" card in an effort to draw a response from them. Don't catch feelings that they aren't responding to your concerns. Seeing all your posts I had decided to jump back to the Madden forum and start complaining about where that game needs to improve, how disappointed I was with it, wanting everyone else to feel the same way I do, etc. But then I remembered - shortly after the second patch when I realized the game wasn't for me, I gave my opinion and traded it in. That was 2 months or so after the game released. We're closing in on four months post-release for 2K12. I'm sorry the game isn't for some of you (I'm not personally, just showing some empathy). I'm not trying to go overboard defending them although I know that's how some view it. Just fyi I was debating purchasing the necessary equipment to do video capture just to post my game experiences. But then I thought, why spend $$$ trying to prove something when I'll likely hear "No you need to play the game the way I do". To be honest I've never tried to casually stroll into the lane and shoot - at least I don't recall doing so. Nor have I ever tried to score 100pts with Shaq or anyone else. And I'm not going to start now. I loved 2K11, and I love 2K12. I know you want to say the same devs credited with delivering a masterpiece in 2K11 have delivered a near-failure in 2K12. As I've said many times, I give them a lot more credit than that. There's plenty of full game video floating around, not just the play here or there that some want to highlight an issue. A few people have already done it recently in fact, and I don't recall seeing stuff like in the video posted above. If I post video it will be of an entire game so it can be critiqued properly, not editing video so it only shows the plays that benefit my argument.

Why would I post an entire game when I'm showing parts of the game that are broken and need addressing. I can easily however capture a full game and dissect each and every point that is broken fundamental basketball.

If you're enjoying the game, good for you. Me and Court and some of the other guys aren't here to complain about the game but point out problems which need to be addressed. This also has nothing to do with playing the game a certain way. Sim, not sim, doesn't matter. The defense in this game is broken. I don't need to show a full video to explain it and I don't need to see someone else play to know that it's not.

My main issue is also not my playing style but that of the AI. The AI is the one that strolls in the lane. I'm not playing as Kidd in that video trying to show exploits. That is all AI. Regarding scoring 100 points a game comment... that has nothing to do with that. It's that the AI defense is brain dead to counter it. You can have Boykins guarding Bynum in the post and no help comes. No double, no rotation, nothing. Basketball is a game that concentrates on exploits. You want to exploit match ups, the weakest link, things about the defense you can exploit. Defense's job is to counter the exploits. Send another defender, switch defenders, switch defenses, etc. This doesn't happen and takes away from the game. Why should I feel cheap in the scenario above or feel like I have to pass from the block because the AI can't counter this exploit.

As far as 2K. They don't have to respond as they owe us nothing on the forums. However, when the ball was rolling everyone was here. Now that there are a ton of issues with the core of the game, no one is here. At least last year when there were issues the developers would comment and let us know why they were in and if they were going to be addressed.

Quote: Originally Posted by Court_vision

BTW Altimus.......you can make it hard to get into the paint using sliders. Basically you'll then get that 'bumping' animation that sends your guard back a foot everytime someone touches him. It's not ideal or realistic, but at least it will stop the easy penetration you got in that video.

Even with that the bumping animation doesn't trigger sometimes and you have players like Augustin just sliding past bigs. In the video above there is no way Kidd should be able to move a player like Asik.

I won't even comment on the speed/quickness issue in transition.

Yes, 2K11 was a near masterpiece and yes you're correct, this game is a near failure IMO. For a game that preaches basketball simulation it fails on a lot of aspects of it.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus

Yes, 2K11 was a near masterpiece and yes you're correct, this game is a near failure IMO. For a game that preaches basketball simulation it fails on a lot of aspects of it.

Obviously you don't need me to tell you you're free to feel the way you feel. I was only explaining my reasoning for not posting video myself. Regarding the video you posted I've never seen the AI do that myself. Perhaps it is a matter of playing style, perhaps it isn't. On defense I tend to switch a lot and try to anticipate what the cpu is trying to do and prevent it. If I see a mismatch about to occur I hit LT and force my cpu teammate back to the person he should be covering, I don't just sit back and watch it happen. Or I hit LB while playing off-ball to force a double team while I cover the backside. There are a ton of options for playing and people play the game differently. Maybe some people like to play one person and when their AI teammates don't play the way they expect it causes frustration.

Doesn't matter either way, we can agree to disagree. I loved 2K11 despite it's faults, I love 2K12 despite it's faults. Regarding the dev team and it's interaction, I don't remember this time of wine and song where the devs interacted a ton here but maybe it's me. That's always been something 2K's been criticized about (lack of interaction). Look over at the MLB2K forum and you'll see the yearly ritual of people calling them out for not giving out info/hyping them/interacting. A similar thing occurred here before the game released. I can recall many threads before 2K12 released where people were upset that 2K wasn't releasing "promised" Insights or videos on time. Then some of those same people turned around months later and accused 2K of overhyping things when it's the community that collectively wants to be kept in a perpetual state of hype. With any game.

But now some of you are implying they're hiding because they released some abomination of a game in your eyes. I disagree of course as I love the game and it's depth. What do you expect to hear? Should they disagree with you and show you what you're doing wrong? Would you feel better if they acknowledged wrong doing and promised never to let you down again? If they released the *perfect* patch? A few weeks ago some of you were begging for them to respond to the double team issue saying if they only fixed that problem, they'd be happy. Now apparently everything about the defense is wrong, so I guess a patch at that time wouldn't have helped much. I'm not trying to go overboard defending them; I just don't know what good comes of it if people's issues aren't addressed in the manner they want. "When the ball was rolling"... when was that? Last year when EA had to go through the Jesus Bynum stuff 2K wasn't here much from what I remember. I remember thinking it's good they've stayed above the fray for the most part. And that was just last year. In 2010 Beluba was with EA. And I definitely remember people criticizing 2K's lack of participation then. Maybe you're referring to the time before they released patches for 2K11, I don't know.

Either way, I have a hard time believing the same guys responsible for a masterpiece of a game one year essentially forgot everything overnight and delivered a failure the next. Not saying it's impossible. But as some are quick to point out their track record, it just seems unlikely to me.

[Court_vision]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Either way, I have a hard time believing the same guys responsible for a masterpiece of a game one year essentially forgot everything overnight and delivered a failure the next. Not saying it's impossible. But as some are quick to point out their track record, it just seems unlikely to me.

It's not a 'failure'.

What it seems to be is that have tried to tweak the engine / add new physics and it's gone badly wrong in terms of defense.

No doubt it will be fixed by 2K13. However, as a consumer, a patch now would have been much better.

[nova91]

Quote: Originally Posted by Court_vision

It's not a 'failure'. What it seems to be is that have tried to tweak the engine / add new physics and it's gone badly wrong in terms of defense. No doubt it will be fixed by 2K13. However, as a consumer, a patch now would have been much better.

I have had to stop thinking this way, the last few years it seems that they have started to focus on style over substance, adding new features and failing to rectify recurring problems while creating tons more.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Court_vision

What it seems to be is that have tried to tweak the engine / add new physics and it's gone badly wrong in terms of defense.

"Badly wrong"?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...nimations.html

One of the big complaints shortly after 2K11 released was the bumping and restricting of movement. I've seen threads where people complain about it in My Player this year. It's going to be a matter of opinion - some liked the contact last year, some didn't. As I said I love both 2K11 and 2K12 and have had my frustrations with both - so I don't buy into trying to pit them against each other to make a point. These devs have delivered some great games; I trust they know what they're doing and adapt. Not saying the game isn't flawed, I just don't think it's anywhere near as flawed as some of you imply.

[Court_vision]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Not saying the game isn't flawed, I just don't think it's anywhere near as flawed as some of you imply.

It's not a bad game bro.......but let's just be very clear on one thing.

When I have 50 points with one player.....and I've just hit 5 straight buckets with that player........the CPU sure as hell should bring a double team over to him.

If I call an ISO play.......I can go one on one every time, even with a guy on fire and 50 + for the night.

There's nothing you can say that can dispute this. It's a massive mistake by 2K not to have doubles. This game sells itself as a "SIM" and that's not even close to reality. Kobe never sees a double? Dwight never sees a double? Game on the line and Kobe can ISO and the defense plays him single coverage? If I use the Lakers v T-Wolves and I ISO Kobe, they only guard him single coverage with Luke Ridnour and JJ Barea all game. If I post Kobe up, I can post up JJ Barea ten straight possesions without the defense doubling and simply score over him. It's not even close to reality in this area.

Other than that, it's a good game. That's a big "error" though.

I am predominantly using poor teams to get around the problem. I.e. playing with teams who don't have a star wingman or post player. It's not an ideal solution though.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Court_vision

If I call an ISO play.......I can go one on one every time, even with a guy on fire and 50 + for the night. There's nothing you can say that can dispute this. It's a massive mistake by 2K not to have doubles. This game sells itself as a "SIM" and that's not even close to reality.

*sigh* and here we go with this again. I never said it's not an issue. It's not that big an issue TO ME, in part because I don't play that way. If it makes you feel better to say the game isn't a "SIM", then fine have at it. I'm going back to playing